Youtube Battlefront: The costs of CoS

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and this is just one single website, and just a straight up fee. Think about the total costs involved here:

*the flat fee.
*time/personnel to setup the deal (paper finance tasks).
*time/personnel to develop the ad strategy and implementation.
*time/personnel to create the ads, film the videos, do voice overs, and master them.
*time/personnel to maintain the deal, payments, content.
*the bad press emanating from the whole setup is costing them recruits.
*the bad press is pushing current victims to leave and/or stop "services".

All of this cutting deeper and deeper every single day from just one website campaign.

The cult is totally screwed.

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Sometimes bunnies confuse ads with free sex and click on them.

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Also: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15809

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I keep seeing you use the word bunnies to describe a certain type of surfer. What exactly does it mean? Elderly people? Young viewers? People in general who aren't used to the internet?

This term angers and confuses Hatonymous!

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Where else did you see me using this confusing term?

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The Yahoo thread.

I can guess from the context clues kinda sorta what you mean, I was just curious what the specific definition you are using for bunnies.

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Very nice! Now tell me, if you know about the Yahoo thread then why the hell you didn't post in there? Don't you care that Yahoo first search results page is 100% Scilon?

Also, bunnies have no meaning at all.

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Because my mind is scatterbrained from studying for finals, I saw you use the term here and I replied here, and yes I do care that the Yahoo search results are skewed in favor of the cult. However, unless someone knows how to Yahoo-bomb, I don't know how to help fix that.

Also, even though you claim it has no meaning at all, you used it as though it held a very specific meaning, at least for you. But...I'm going to drop the subject since I've pulled the thread far enough away from the topic, which was laughing at how much the Cult of Scientology is paying to fight us.

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Therefore, that CoS Ad everytime you hit the homepage? Roadblock.
As to how Google knows we are the specific demographic or behavioral segment...:tinfoil:

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Logged in to your Google account? Google can mine it for a ridiculous amount of info about you.

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Even from facebook and all of the other services that they own and where you might be entering information. Sometimes I wonder if they even data-mine my emails. But that's besides the point of this thread.

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With enough bonds and a good deal with google they might not be losing any money at all but instead getting more members which in total will get them much more income in the long term than what these advertisements cost for just a few months, lets not get too excited about this they [scientology] know exactly what they are doing.

My guess is that Scientology didn't advertise on youtube because of us, they did it because they saw an opportunity after seing Anonymouses success. The very high prices on the youtube ads is evidence that people are willing to pay + that it's worth advertising with them.

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See I would agree with you except that their site has nothing for sale. They also make the classic rookie mistake of havig an ad be "find out the truth". Which obviously leads people to search for the "lies".

I bet you anonymous is vaccinating more people with their ads then they get recruits. I haven't actually surfed the site but once you get there is there even an indication of what to do should you be interested? I doubt it

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I think what Anonymous is doing is historic, and it is definitely being bothersome to CO$. HOWEVER I don't think we are impacting their finances all that much. Yes, we cause them to shut down their orgs once a month, but they are still open the other 29 days.

Yes, they may be spending a bit more on PIs trying to namefag us.

Yes, we MAY be slowing the flow of new members, but enough to hurt them in the bank account?

Yes, we are (seemingly) upping the number of people blowing from the cult, but they have put most of their money into it already.

What we ARE doing is making them feel they have to have some control or use of the internet, thus the ads on Youtube (and I am sure in other places). Yes, that costs them money, but is it enough to bring them down?

To make them really bleed money ex-scilons and others have to start lawsuits against them ranging from the health dangers of Freewind, to wrongful death, to demanding auditing records from them.......Let CO$ be the ones dealing with legal costs and mounting lawyer fees plus the money they would have to spend on PR trying to spin the situation.

Getting their tax exemption taken away isn't as much fun as lulzing at a protest, but it is the one thing would really really hurt the cult. Plus the bad publicity would be killing.

I worry if Anonymous defeats CO$ that the cult will merely move from North America to South America, and go from Europe to Africa. The only way to stop that is to take down the inner circle of CO$, the ones who actually financially benefit from the cult.

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Co$ are considered sponsors, so they probably get discounted. But sponsor = $$$ so win-win. Causing them to spend money only slows their banks growth, but that's better than nothing. They can still fag their members to get more courses, sessions, and "donations."

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You see though, what we should be doing is adressing this to OSA/SO people...

Hey OSA/SO gais...

go find out what your 'church' is spending on the online ads, go find out how much money they are pumping into this media blitz campaign and then ask yourself why you are still eating beans and rice if your 'church' has that much money to throw around?

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i estimated about 2 mil a month, but given how they dominate the ads lately... I can see it being higher. I for one always click ads about scifags. It's the "least" i can do.

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Pulling out the stops... aiming for the um... hot blooded.

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Sweet emma watson has upskirts pics. I thank you avatar for bringing that to my attention

fap fap fap

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yes yes, desperate. This is a good sign.

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Just to be another pain in their ass, I hope everyone's been 'cyber-squatting' all the mis-spellings of the YouTube COS url (example: ChurchofSciencology) , and here's a background pic if you need one.

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My spoof-sense is tingling...

Church of Gynecology?

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:rofl:

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Blessed be the Speculum, for it be warmed with water and shall show us the way!

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Lawl.

Direct result of our (free and fun) campaign.

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how much do you think the Google ads are costing them? we haven't even factored those into the picture yet...

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I never realised it was so much!...

It shows how much of an impact we are having, and that is nice

Ahahaha - That is exactly what the security guard hired for the last two protests told me when he asked them for his fee. He also told me that if he was not paid by the time of the next protest, he would be joining us in front of the org

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No it's not.
Deconstructing the sentence:

$175k/day to get on the front page.

$50k total spent on all advertising during 90 days.
Incremental refers to it being a gradual spending and not a single lump.

in total $225k or more.

so:
$175k*30 = $5.25million + >($50k/3) = >$5.267m/month

Still a LOT of money, and a great find.

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Also OSA/SO peps, ya know I'm freaking full of body thetans but them little suckers are productive. I make enough to afford Jack in the Box three meals a day if I want it. Unlike those poor folks at Gold. Ya know if you blow, as in just get up and walk out the door you can get a job that pays decently. Also be sure to call up the other ex-Scientologists for aid in adjusting.

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For Scientology to draw in suckers, they have to appear completely unopposed, like the 'best kept secret' of belief systems. So they try to stack the deck, so only positive reviews exist. This has (marginally) worked for the last 50 years.

All we've really done is forced a dissenting opinion into all public mention of Scientology. Be it amazon reviews, news articles, wiki pages, etc.

If you come across a review for a product - say, 'Head On' - and every single review is glowing, you might try it. If, on the other hand, there are a bunch of glowing reviews and a handful of 'Don't listen to these scam artists, it really doesn't do anything!', you'll be more skeptical as you approach and ask for information. You might even do some research of your own (inspired by the amazing results promised by the product).

As I said in another thread...
At first, Scientology sought to ignore us.
Then, they tried to defame us, calling us hackers and evil people.
Next, they tried to intimidate us - by prosecuting members, by sending C&D orders, hiring private investigators, etc.
Now they're just desperately trying to get public mention without our name tagged onto the article. They've failed at that too, so now they have to pay a lot of money to put up their OWN articles where we are not mentioned. Youtube, scientology.com, etc.

This is a significantly more costly tactic. And if they thought a heavy advertising campaign would be cost effective, why did they wait for us to emerge to pursue one?

They're doomed. We just need to keep doing what we're doing, the cracks are forming. We might not get the government (there *are* real establishment clause issues with taking away their religious status and/or banning them, though there's certainly legal room to prosecute them for real crimes), we might not get the mainstream media (taking on Scientology is a headache, and why would they bring that on themselves if there's already a watchdog group and various small media/blog sites covering it?), we might not even get big dotcoms (Amazon and Google can make a lot more money shilling to the CoS than fighting our fight for us), but we don't need any of them to succeed.

Any help we get from them is a bonus (and worth aiming for, but not necessary for victory). We just need to keep getting the word out. It's all about saturation.

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Dear OSA agent: You see the dilemma I outline here. If people see ads for CoS, but also see dissent, they are going to research. They're not going to take either of our words for granted, because there's a real differing opinion. If Scientology stood up to scrutiny, this wouldn't be a dilemma for you - you'd welcome people researching before getting involved. Instead, every radio program and web article comment section is encouraging people to look at your propaganda and ignore ours. We encourage people to look at both, do some research, and THEN decide for themselves. If you were on the 'good' side, if you were fighting against 'evil', you'd advocate the same position we do - research INDEPENDENTLY, both sides, look for primary sources, look for sworn testimonies, government documents, and THEN decide. Think I'm wrong? Look into the 'other side' yourself. If you're right, you'll be able to refute every claim. Post those solid refutations here, and I'll join scientology - I'd LOVE to have power over MEST!

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Actually, on a few of the other boards I visit, people have been complaining about the CoS ads all over YouTube, too. Boards with no connection or real knowledge of Anonymous. They're like, "Gah! Why the hell is this Scientology ad all over YouTube?!"

Even if they don't know about the abuses in the CoS, most people associate the CoS with:

Xenu
Crazy Tom Cruise
Pyramid money-making scheme disguised as a religion

They're not doing themselves any favors with Joe Public, trust me. :smile:

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I assure you that Google loves Anonymous more than the CoS; the CoS has sued Google a couple of times, and Google never forgets.

They're quite happy to extract large sums of money from them.