Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Xenu Is Lord, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Xenu Is Lord Member

    Like the dictator he is and like his thug counterparts in Egypt and Libya the Governor of Wisconsin looks like he has had enough of the protesters. In the language that we have heard from third world regimes the police are ordering people to leave the capitol. The similarities are to close to be dismissed. So far protesters are refusing to leave and prepping for an attack.

    Here are the details:
    MADISON, Wis. - About 200 pro-union protesters left the WisconsinCapitol on Sunday, but police stood by as many hundreds of others remained in defiance of a deadline state officials set for clearing the building after an almost two-week-long sit-in.

    The state agency that oversees the Capitol asked the throngs of demonstrators who have been camping out at the Capitol since Feb. 15 to leave by 4 p.m. Sunday or risk arrest, saying the building was in dire need of a cleaning. But in the hours before the deadline came and went, it was clear most protesters did not intend to leave voluntarily.

    Scott Olson, Getty Images

    Protesters sleep in the Wisconsin Capitol rotunda in Madison on Sunday as they fight legislation proposed by Gov. Scott Walker that would strip unions of the right to collectively bargain.

    One medic instructed the crowd how to prepare for the worst, telling demonstrators to clench their firsts so handcuffs or restraints would not cut off the blood flow and to remove contact lenses in case police sprayed anything that could harm their eyes.

    Police standing nearby said none of that would be necessary, and Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs said no one had been arrested as of about 5 p.m.

    He said officers would continue trying to get protesters to vacate voluntarily, but he deflected questions about whether police would arrest demonstrators who refused to leave.

    Sue Knetsch, 53, of Waupaca, said she stayed away from the Capitol throughout the nearly two weeks of protests, but that she brought her 21-year-old son, Taylor, to the Capitol on Sunday as an a lesson in democracy. She said they expected to get arrested together.

    "I just want him to know you can do something - his generation is walking around passively saying, 'It doesn't matter,'" said Knetsch, who said she had been arrested at age 17 while protesting theVietnam War. "This is awesome. I'm a little nostalgic."

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    As the deadline to leave passed, hundreds of protesters on the Capitol's upper floors picked up their energy level, chanting "peaceful protest," and "whose house is this? Our house." At one point, the crowd sang the national anthem. Many said they were prepared to be arrested - if it came to that.

    At 4 p.m., organizers who commanded a microphone on the ground floor urged people to remain until policephysically tapped them on the shoulder and asked them to leave. Some individuals left in groups of 10 or 20, while most remained. Hundreds of other protesters watched from one floor above, the informal gathering place for those who planned to be arrested.

    Protesters have remained in the building since Feb. 15. They are fighting legislation proposed by Wisconsin's new Republican governor, Scott Walker, that would strip unions of the right to collectively bargain.

    Labor leaders and Democratic lawmakers say the bill is intended to undermine the unions and weaken a key Democratic Party base.

    But Walker argues that the Republican-backed bill would help close a projected $3.6 billion deficit in the 2011-13 budget, and that freeing local governments from collective bargaining would give them the necessary flexibility to deal with deep budget cuts.

    The bill stalled in the state Senate when its 14 Democratic lawmakers fled the state for Illinois, leaving the legislative body one vote short of a quorum. The Democratic senators have vowed to stay away from Wisconsin for as long as it takes.

    Associated Press writer Patrick Condon contributed to this report.
  2. Herro Member

    I'm not sure that the majority of voters who democratically elected the governor would agree with your assessment.

    Edit: You might also want to read this:

    In Egypt and Libya I don't remember the main issue being to figure out the best way to allow the overnight cleaning crew to do their jobs. Nor do I remember the police commending the behavior of the protesters and working with them to set up an efficient way to bring food into the building. But hey, WILL THE POLICE ATTACK PROTESTERS IN WI USA is a much sexier thread title than HOW WILL THE FLOORS GET SWEPT AND WAXED TONIGHT
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  3. Kilia Member

  4. He... Herro? Is that you? Did you get hacked? 'Cuz... I mean, that was spot-on.

    Though, I'd also add that comparing a guy in dispute with unions in comfy-comfy USA to folks who committed wholesale murder on their people brings the OP into the area where you just start calling everyone Nazis and get it over with.

    "Oh noze, I been physically tapped on da shoulder, POLICE BRUTALITY! POLICE BRUTALITY!"

    I wouldn't care so much, but shit like this starts making the U.S. look like a bunch of cake-eating, whiny, rich kids in the eyes of the rest of the world when we start comparing our small, civil battles to countries where people are going out in the morning expecting to die.

    Yes, they should compromise and allow collective bargaining. I am sympathetic. But if you lose, in two-to-four years, a Democrat-run state government will give collective bargaining back to you. Stop comparing this battle to ones where lives, not livelihoods, are at stake.
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  5. lulzgasm Member

    I actually agree with 99% of what you're saying. i just want to point out that loss of livlihood can result in loss of life. Just ask the neighborly bum across the street who has to risk freezing to death because all the shelters were full.
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  6. I understand, but I'm sure you also understand that I was going more for the symmetry of the statement than black/white application.

    I've lived in the parts of the world where when you are an hour late coming home from a normal working day, family members assume you are dead, and so as far as my patience for the level of seriousness people in the West wish to assign to mild-mannered civil disputes, the cup of care is quickly approaching empty.
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  7. LocalSP Member


    Just a reminder that what starts off peaceful doesn't always end up that way. Even here in America.
  8. Ann O'Nymous Member

    The majority who voted for some of these dictators would not agree either.
  9. Oh, fuck. Look what you did.

  10. Anonymous Member

    Good on you, OP.
  11. Anonymous Member

    You're glib, herro. Watch what happens in this country after the Koch bros, et al have completed the impoverishment of the middle class. When people are no longer able to feed their kids, much less educate and keep them healthy, you will see Tahrir Square occur in city after city.
    Majority who voted in the midterm, but the majority of Wisconsins=do not want.
    This is why it's so important to get out and vote.
    Lol, police chief Charles Tubbs looks like Jesse Prince.
  12. Anonymous Member

    All CAPS titles are a dead give-away for fuckwittery.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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  14. Jesus Christ, I wish you people could understand how much you sound like a liberal version of Glen Beck.
  15. Anonymous Member

  16. Herro Member

    Lurk moar.
  17. Anonymous Member

    Lol, "you people"=rightwing catchphrase meaning "other, inferior"
    Also, further dissemination of the Rupert Murdoch Myth of False Equivalency. The reality of 70,000 protesters showing up in the sub-zero weather (O hai Skip)
    vs Beck's alien Nazis from Mars.
  18. Anonymous Member

    Three years of lurkin' hasn't helped you.
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  19. Herro Member

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  20. Anonymous Member

    Agreed. Let the union crybabies with free healthcare and pensions eat shit and die. We will get the labor $20-30 cheaper per hour with non union labor. Get a real job that doens't have 25 days of vacation and 15 minute breaks every 2 hours.
  21. Anonymous Member

    What a fucking whiny baby. You should be asking why you're not getting that instead of why are they getting it.

    Suck it up baby, I can tell you why you're not getting it. It's because you are an uneducated piece of crap that can't do their job.
  22. Anonymous Member

    Let's repeal those liberal-driven child labor laws and really save some $$$.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Dear protesters everywhere (Except those actually fighting repressive regimes)

    Your fight is not like that in Egypt etc.
    Your opponents are not like those in Egypt etc.
    Stop degrading what's happening in Egypt etc. with your own causes.

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  24. xenubarb Member

    Hey's this make you feel? Stupid old hippie activist who is probably barely online has NO IDEA what that generation is up to. Yeah, hippies were the best! They changed the world! Or at least smoked out enough to think so...cuz if they changed the world I want the old one back.
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  25. LocalSP Member

    I suppose, to you, that Germans are crybabies then and they don't hold real jobs. You sir are a fool.

    Vacation versus Urlaub

    August 2nd, 2010
    I was recently reminded of how much vacation time Germans get. I sent an email to a gentleman at a German publishing house with whom I had been corresponding, only to get a reply from his secretary that read: “Danke für Ihr Mail an Herrn K. Hier nur ein Zwischenbescheid: Herr K ist zur Zeit im Urlaub.” (”Thanks for your email to Herr K. Here just an interim notice: Herr K is on vacation.”)
    What was I thinking? Trying to contact a German business person in mid-July or August? The whole country goes on vacation in the summer. (That’s in addition to the week or two they spent in Greece, Spain or Turkey during the winter.) Northern Europeans live to see the sun in the summer that they never saw all winter! Germans can fly to the US for a four-week summer vacation, with all of that time being paid annual leave.
    Source: "No-Vacation Nation" (Rebecca Ray and John Schmitt, Center for Economic and Policy Research, May 2007, PDF)
    Americans who live in Germany or other parts of Europe for a while are shocked by how much paid time off German workers get, especially compared to workers in the USA. But they may also be unaware that the United States of America is the ONLY rich modern nation that has no minimum requirement for paid vacations or holidays for its workers. (See the chart above.) In other words, the minimum requirement in Germany is 34 paid days off (almost 7 weeks), while the minimum in the US is zero, nada, nichts!
    If an American gets any paid vacation days at all, it’s only due to the good will of his/her employer (or labor union). The US average for private-sector workers is 10 vacation days (two weeks), plus eight national holidays. The EU minimum is 20 days (four weeks) paid vacation, but many EU nations add more vacation days and/or holidays above the minimum (Austria: 30 days total annual leave, plus 13 paid holidays). Although Canada and Japan are low on the totem pole, they at least mandate 10 paid days off for their hard-working citizens. That’s 10 days more than the US requires, and as a result, about one out of four US workers gets no paid vacation or paid holidays at all. The lower the pay rate and the smaller the company, the less paid time off an American worker gets.
    Many firms in Germany and the rest of the EU grant more than the EU minimum legal requirement. It is not unusual for an employee of a German company to get more than the German legal minimum of 34 paid days off. In part, this is due to much stronger labor unions than in the US, but also to a more enlightened view of what’s best for productive workers. Austria, Germany and Switzerland also require even more time off for certain special groups of workers (younger, older, night shift workers, etc.). And we’re not even talking about the generous parental leave (also for fathers!) and sick leave granted in Austria, Germany and much of Europe.
    Of the 21 OECD nations included in the “No-Vacation Nation” study, only the US seems to stick to the rule of “all work and no play.” Even sadder, many Americans entitled to paid days off don’t take them at all, or take only some of them. How many Americans do you know who take a full two-week vacation or more? (Teachers don’t count, and their summer vacation is not paid!) A German (or any European) thinks this is nuts – and rightly so.
    Another survey conducted for found an average of 1.8 unused vacation days per employee each year in the US. That study also revealed that 53% of respondents did not know that US employees receive far less annual vacation time than their counterparts in other industrialized countries.
    So why do Americans put up with this sad state of affairs? Are we all raving workaholics, or what? Do we not understand that study after study says workers are more productive when they take time off?
    Perhaps if more Americans traveled abroad and were more aware of the facts found in the chart above, maybe then they would push for the paid vacation time that the rest of the world already enjoys. – Oh, I forgot. They don’t get enough time off to travel anywhere!
  26. JohnnyRUClear Member

    The police probably won't attack protesters in this case, and everyone will be watching. There may or may not be a connection between those two things.

    Cocaine FTW.
  27. Yes, I meant all the protesters, obviously.

    And obviously, because I said something that disagreed with you, I must be right wing and elitist.

    I couldn't have possibly meant that fucknut conspiracy theorists from the right and the left are equally fucknut. By "you people," I couldn't have possibly meant those who are convinced that any industrialist in his right mind thinks that a starving, impoverished populace would actually be good for his business.

    There is no middle ground, no logic, no facts and no reasoning for the fear-mongering, class-war enthusiasts, and that is why they are no better than those like Glen Beck and the people who swallow his insanity pills.
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  28. Aaaaaaaaaand, you are a moron and a pathetic troll, not worth the time it would take to pull you from the little bubble of false reality in which you live. I also feel sad for those who don't understand you are being facetious in an attempt to recast my statement as something that it was not. Go eat elsewhere, troll. kthnksbai
  29. Anonymous Member

    If corporations were in their right minds, there'd be no slave labor in the Third World.
  30. *facepalm*

    The underpaid workers in poor conditions (who still have it a good bit better than the slaves of the past who you so wantonly disrespect for the sake of your bombastic claims) are employed to make, well, probably some of the warm clothing union workers are wearing out to protest. We are the richest country in the world and the biggest consumers. Our poverty line is above the middle class line of most other nations in the world.

    If we all become poor, uneducated and impoverished, who is going to buy the shit?
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  31. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Perhaps, but slavery was there before corporations were.
  32. lulzgasm Member

    No wonder this world is so fucked.
  33. lulzgasm Member

    Doesn't give them the right to exploit it for fun and profit.
  34. Anonymous Member

    virtual "like"
    I agree with your comment, but srsly do not like.
  35. Anonymous Member

    China will lend you money, so that you can still buy their shit.
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  36. Yes, of course, from all the money they get from selling to... oh wait.

    God damn WWP needs an "Econ 101" thread.

    I really liked the times before all the faggots found out about Anonymous and tried to jump on the back of the fucking wagon.
  37. LocalSP Member

    Know what you mean Bro. Like June 26th 2009.
  38. lulzgasm Member

    As long as it's not based on the Keynesian theory....
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  39. Anonymous Member

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  40. I see what you did there. Witty.

    Of course, I definitely had no interest or involvement prior to joining the message boards.

    I've just noticed the faggotry seeming to escalate once the helmetfags who assume Anonymous is their personal leftist political army began starting threads.

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