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Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by exOT8Michael, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. exOT8Michael Member

    Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Wall of text; apologies to those with insufficient popcorn :)
    Someone can follow up with a tl;dr summary post.
    I originally posted this on alt.religion.scientology about 8 years ago.

    Why I don't support the "Freezone"

    I remember when Psychiatry came out with "instant service" in the
    1980's and Hubbard responded. He said that before this announcement
    psychiatry delivered no results for a lot of money over a long time
    and that afterwards it was delivering no results for a lot of money
    instantly.
    Well, Scientology is the same kind of set-up. There are NO (=ZERO!!)
    OTs after 50 years of promising them. The endless processes do not
    produce what was promised.

    The basic problem with Scientology is not the criminal management, as
    that is terrible but is a more recent inner rotting of the cult.

    The basic problem with it is the founder himself. Freezoners have not
    yet understood this. They are still addicted to the false image of the
    Founder and hold to it like an oyster holds on to a pearl. (By the
    way, pearls are the result of an IRRITATION particle, like sand, that
    the mollusc is trying to coat with something less irritating, rather
    like the culties coat their perception of internal idiocies with
    layers of false hopes and self-sacrifices).

    Hubard was NOT NOT NOT who he made himself out to be, and who Mgt
    wants you to believe he was in order to continue to bilk you out of
    your money.

    Hubbard was wrong on very many points. Very many.

    One was that being a Scientologist allows you to be you. NO! Being a
    Scientologist only allows you to be a Scientologist! That is a false
    valence.
    It is NOT YOU. Get out of that false fly-trap of sticky cult
    contamination!

    Another one of those was the concept of "survival".

    The basic "SURVIVE" motivation/dynamic/purpose for people was simply
    wrong.

    Elron even, himself, said it was an anomaly that an immortal spiritual
    being would be trying to "survive". Well, yes. It is a sufficient
    anomaly to invalidate the whole subject.

    Even the theory of Darwin, on evolution, has been severely cast into
    doubt recently. Many modern thinkers have abandoned it. It does not
    provide the full picture in any way.
    Materialistically-mentally-non-spritually-minded fixated people will
    hold on to it to the bitter end......of themselves).

    As Scientology does, it leaves out the divine role in Life. In Scn
    terms it denies the causality of the 8th dynamic. It leaves you, as
    part of God out in the cold. It denies you your true power by
    disconnecting you from your divine self, which is what an OT basically
    is.
    It is a denial of self as part of Infinity.
    It denies you your connection into the other realms than the dense,
    dark and musty human levels of existence.
    Better levels of spiritual existence exist and are contactable.
    Denying your own self as Source denies you the light of understanding
    and makes you into a miserable slave.
    "History of Man" is NOT your history, and is a false text. It keeps
    you on Hubbard's treadmill, separate from life, love, kindness, higher
    spiritual grace.
    It makes you selfish,... and tries to make you "shellfish" lol.

    Man did NOT "evolve from moluscs".
    Clams are not even remotely similar to humans (lol...as ars postings
    from cultie shills shows constantly,.. ; )).
    Man did not "happen" by trial-and-error and adjusting to injuries to
    form better DNA.
    Man did not evolve from apes.
    The "Reactive bank stemming from "evolution" is fiction.

    Yes, the spiritual being (thetan) is an immortal creative and
    causative factor having natural divine and powerful qualities, but all
    based in peace, divine quiet, love and the Infinite. NOT based in
    frantic stat-hungry frenzies of desperation, loud and forceful
    franticness and perpetual-motion craziness!

    One argument that can be hypothesized is that Humanity (as physical bodies that
    have very very sophisticated DNA patterns) was created
    from "above"
    (higher levels of spiritual
    energies) that were "condensed" or "solidified" for the purpose of
    experiencing this strata of energy frequencies (the visible spectrum,
    heavy matter, etc...). The real source of humanity was the upper stata
    of spiritual beings and finer energy levels. The exact process was one
    of electronic patterns condensing down to lower frequencies (longer
    wave lengths). Of course, these higher aspects of life still exist
    today too, and are contactable with relevant education and practice.

    (For more on this read "Unveiled Mysteries" etc.. by Godfre Ray King,
    available at www.saintgermainpress.org)

    (I have experienced that to a degree since leaving Scn, so what I am
    writing is not just hopeful theory). I am sure others have experienced
    it too.

    The spiritual being's main goal is to decide and be who it really is,
    and to experience that.
    The basic idea is to be and experience the greatest version of the
    grandest vision one has ever had of oneself. It is to BE more and more
    lovingly oneself in concert and harmony with all fellow spiritual
    beings who all derive from the Supreme Being at the Source.

    (For more on this please read "Conversations With God", by Neale
    Donald Walsch). Highly recommended reading for all!! Any big bookstore
    has it, or at Amazon.com too. There are 3 volumes of that title and 2
    further ones "Friendhip with God" and "Communion with God". Amazing
    stuff!!
    oh...and NO CULT behind it!! : )))

    Anyway, to be brief here, "survival" is irrelevant, and evolution if
    fiction.

    So Hubbdub's basic cult hypotheses are today redundant.

    R.I.P.

    Freezoners still seem to believe that Hubbard was right and that he
    intended to make OTs. I believe that is incorrect. I believe he wanted
    an adoring following (per his affirmations/admissions) and to be
    pampered and opulent at the expense of all those who he deceived.

    Running endless processes, churning on treadmills of ethics-tech-admin
    will not alter the BASIC BASIC of Hubbard's false agendas. NO OTS HAVE
    BEEN MADE.
    if therer were ANY I would not be here writing this. I did New OT8
    myself, and it contains no OT powers. That is the TOP of the Bridge.

    It is a good bet that many believe that somehow the top of the Bridge
    will suddenly be opened-up and thousands will suddenly get massive OT
    powers, fly without planes, move objects without touching them by
    Scientology processes.
    From what I have seen that may only happen after pigs sprout wings. As
    Int Mgt would give themselves such "OT powers" first, those pigs
    flying may be the first sign of the top of the Bridge being opened up.
    lol. Don't hold your breath, except to stop breathing in their stench.

    "Delivering Scientology without the corrupt management" as the
    Freezone proposes is just more treadmill to nowhere. Wake up!!!

    Come out and smell the roses!!

    Get a life!!...., a new life where YOU decide who you are, YOU connect
    with YOUR SOURCE with no cult attached, YOU use your money to pursue
    YOUR purposes!
    Be the pure YOU and decide WHO AND WHAT YOU WANT TO BE NOW AND
    FOREVER.

    The recommended reading above (Walsch) will allow this, and I lovingly
    invite you to discover that for yourself.

    Love is perfection expressed.

    You are basically perfect.

    You are basically LOVE, not stats.

    You can only be free if you are free to BE LOVE.

    Scientology will NEVER grant you that.

    Be free of all that cult stuff.

    Love and Light,

    Michael.
  2. Cyclades Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    TL:DR version

    Freezoners are fucktards
  3. exOT8Michael Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    LOLOL.
    ts:dr.
  4. cubby Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    no way guys freezone is cool, same bullshit but they charge LESS
  5. afternon Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Charge? That's not free...they'd have to pay me to read any of L Ron's crap- I've heard enough of his lectures to know he was raving insane with an ego the size of the universe!
  6. Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    lol'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

    AGREE'D!!! LRH WAS A FUCKING BABY RAPER!!!
  7. afternon Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    I think you should retract that statement- it is offensive to baby rapers!
  8. Scatman Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    The freezone relies on the cofs for its public, as almost all of them are ex-cofs members. The freezone receives indirect legal protection from the cofs from prosecution by governments for the unlicensed practice of psychology. Those who run FZ groups almost always fall back on the freedom of religion argument, even though most of them don't agree that scientology is a religion.
    When the cofs falls apart, there is a real danger that another scientology "church" would organize from a group like the International Freezone Association, that quickly becomes almost as destructive as the cofs was.
    Witness the behavior of some of the IFA freezoners on ESMB if you want an indication about how their version of scientology would conduct itself.
  9. blank Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    All Freezoners who just left the cult, because either
    - it's too expensive
    or
    - DM squirreled the tech
    are the pinnacle of stupidity.
  10. Scatman Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    That is right. It is almost always the first or second reason, but usually the second.
  11. Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    how anyone could look at LRH and say... WOW ... Smart guy... is fucking beyond me.
  12. Scatman Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    It is because scilons ignore or deny the facts.
  13. Suzette Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    At some point people have a right to be stupid. Lots of people do stupid things. Lots of people choose to ignore the obvious. If they aren't doing things in an illegal or abusive manner...well, so what?
  14. Cyclades Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    no...

    it is because they are fucking morons
    yup all you exes

    morons

    at one time you read LR fucktards writings and said " this makes sense I wish to learn more" and/or " yes I am a special snowflake only I cand people like me can get special powers and save the world"
  15. the anti Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    freezone is just going to kill itself off anyways
  16. Anonymous Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    You're not a very good troll

    and/or you're one of those athiest douchebags who can't open their mouth without reminding everyone that all religion is dumb

    but looking at every non-TD post you've ever made imma stick with troll
  17. Anonymous Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    love the OP. mikey hit the mark again.

    i also agree 100% with Scatman.

    freezone do not want.
  18. Cyclades Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    and yet you didn't refute my post troll or not

    niggerfaggot
  19. Battletoads Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    I didn't read it, but yeah freezone is gay and yeah freezone is next after the CoS.
  20. grokitt Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Michael, I always like your posts b/c I enjoy getting the ex scin perspective, and your insight into what the cult was like on the inside.

    That said, this reads like typical Intelligent Design apologetics through about 50% of the text. Is that particularly effective w/ scin's? And what is the science scholarship level among publics in general?
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    ok


    You fail to account for the large number of people born into scientologist families who are pressured into reading this crap and constantly told by those around them (the same people who have raised them) that it's true. In your magical happy world people have all the facts presented to them up front and can go "oh nah that's a cult" but in the real world sometimes people don't learn that shit as quickly as you're convinced you would have if you were in their shoes.

    If you've never believed in santa claus, the easter bunny, jesus, buddha, anyone in the bible, anything your parents or a teacher told you, or anything your friends told you your point is valid. But seeing as you have, you're guilty of believing something without cold hard facts which makes you a whiny little bitch for complaining about other people who were in a situation you can't understand. At least they had well dressed, purposefully cheerful people all around them constantly reminding them of what you were supposed to believe. What's your excuse?
  22. rof Member

  23. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Freezone rocks!

    I loved that CD they come out with in the 80's that shit was so cash.

    Any ways, I called the 800 number but never got my 8 track cassette.

    So what's this thread about any ways?
  24. Cyclades Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    ok I will exempt anyone BORN into the cult from the "moron" classification

    anyone who read dianetics or held cans and STILL though it was good shit that they should pursue

    IS A FUCKING MORON
  25. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    You shouldn't.

    Genetically speaking if both of their parents were suckers enough to fall for a ufo cult they are bound to be completely fucktarded.

    I know what I'm talking about I saw the model a DNA double helix molecule in high school bio.
  26. adhocrat Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Exactly what I was going to say (enjoy posts greatly) but I want to ask about the ID ideas...

    Agree absolutely.

    Dox?

    That gives no information. It is simply an ad hominem attack.


    But science agrees he evolved, was not created full blown from the head of Zeus.

    There is no proof we are indeed immortal. While it's nice to think we are, nothing indicates it's true.
  27. Haruhi Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    I'll just be sitting over here, waiting for this thread to get thoroughly shitted up.
  28. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Why?

    This thread is about "Why I don't support the freezone"

    That I don't support them because they are retards who believe what a UFO cult spews out and are even crazier then that, they took the moonbat shit and started a splinter cult making them even more retarded then the original culties IMHO.

    That's a valid opinion right?
  29. Mutante Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Any special requests?
  30. V for Anon Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Even though I don't think I fully comprehend your stance towards survival and evolution, I do however agree with your motivation. Maybe I am just to tired to see all the irony in your post . Anyway, good read.
  31. Ackerland Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Even though I agree that hubbard's tech itself is ultimately flawed, i am wondering wtf the creationistic bs is doing in this text?

    To all christian fundis out there: Whoever believes that man and dinosaurs coexisted peacefully 5000 years ago is just batshit crazy. Seriously, wtf...
    There's enough evidence to show earth, its fossiles and the universe is much older than that, starting from radioactive series to the sheer amount of time light would need to travel to us from distant stars.

    And whoever thinks that man could not have a common ancestry with the apes of today, just look at this picture:
    go-ape.jpg
  32. Mutante Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Lol creationalists.

    Also, Freezoners.
  33. stacycake2009 Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    --Man did NOT "evolve from moluscs".--
    Science of our past will always be incomplete, just because there is evidence of multiple bullets that seem to come from different directions did not prove JFK was assassinated by multiple people. The same way we should not believe dinosaurs would have eaten people just because the text books say so. The problem with Scientology is not just that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it also does not have the evidence to back it.
  34. randomanon Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Dear Mike,

    You are one of the few ex scientologists that actually get anonymous and one of the few ex scientologists that I enjoy the reading of your posts.

    BUT, it took me 3 sittings and 20 minutes to sit through your wall of text.
  35. Zak McKracken Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Man did not evolve from molluscs - true.
    our nearest common ancestor with [clams] ~ 590 mya.

    Man did not evolve from apes - true.
    our nearest common ancestor with [chimps, bonobos] ~ 6 mya.

    Our ancestors 6 million years ago, looked a lot like us. But shorter and hairier. (Like apes)

    Our ancestors 590 million years ago, looked nothing like us, and nothing at all like clams.
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Man didn't "evolve from apes". Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't even say that. Also, Evolutionary Theory =/= Evolution. Creationist morons who confuse the two by saying "Evolution is just a theory" clearly have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

    ...Really not sure why you had to throw that in there in the first place.
  37. Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    No it hasn't

    Such as? Any biologists?

    The full picture of what?

    People who honestly look at the evidence accept evolution as the best explanation we have to explain the features of life on earth.

    Correct.

    You share 35% of your DNA with a banana.

    Correct.

    Humans are apes.

  38. randomanon Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    Okay I am letting Mike's novel filter through my brain and it brings up some freezoner questions since most of the activist activity is centered around the official church of brainwashing.


    So I will just throw this out there and y'all can discuss it.

    Since COS is multinational I would assume that the ex members that are now members of the freezone would spread around the world. But I also remember reading that they were mostly concentrated in the US.

    What type of orginization do they have?
    How many of them are there?

    I remember reading about the CoS suing the shit out of ones that would pop up with any type of strength and formal hierarchy.

    and ftr I consider the fz'ers to be even more fucked up than members of the cos BECAUSE they:

    1. Read the information from anti-scientology critics,
    2. have been rejected from their Mother ship..I mean mother church.
    3. For whatever reason they left, they stil believe in scientology even though the main church still practices and is the source of whatever reason they left.

    Any sane person with common sense would know that when presented with information about why you were wrong in thinking the way you do and shows that the entire foundation is horseshit, and yet you simply discard the part of your belief that you dont like and still think the foundation is not horseshit.

    Well then your the greater fool.
  39. TypingChimp Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    FreeZoners all need to visit the website shown on this t-shirt:

    [IMG]
  40. Zak McKracken Member

    Re: Why I don't support the "Freezone". Scientologists please wake up.

    in fairness, modern understanding of evolution has "evolved" and developed nuances and new insights over time.

    Mendel showed us a few new tricks; as did Watson & Crick.
    Dawkins' "meme theory" was stolen out of evolutionary theory and held hostage by the internets. The "Central Dogma" was busted wide open. And then patched back together.

    Like any good theory, its falsifiable :D
    The parts that don't fit well get retooled and reworked and slapped back in to build a better evolutionary theory.

    Think you got something bettar?

    DOX PLZ

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