What the dicks is Marblecake and what do they do?

What the dicks is Marblecake and what do they do?

Are they srsly trying to be the leaders of Anonymous? And if so, how, what are they doing? What the shit is going on here? Anyone know?

Also, dongcopters. :dong::dong::dong:

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Yes they did, (eons ago). Not so much now.

Marblecake do more good than bad at this point IMO, though a few changes still wouldn't go amiss.

Essentially though, it's irrelevant to the current shitstorm.

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I'm in marblecake, and I've no interest in being a leaderfag.

I'm happy to answer questions.

The short story is, it is/was a small thinktank that produced media anonymously and secretly. The positive spin would be that it has 'suffered from its own success' - it produces enough significant media that it desires to remain completely secret (to avoid OSA /thinking/ it's the 'leaders' and fairgaming them), and producing enough media that the rest of Anonymous became aware - to varying degrees - that there is a secret cabal of anons trying to manipulate things behind the scenes.

The negative spin is ... that it's a secret cabal of anons trying to manipulate things behind the scenes. And there is a case to be made that they got a swelled head early. They produced the original 'message to scientology' video (well before I got involved). They were also led by Darr, who pissed off the wrong people, has the wrong attitude, and generally didn't handle criticism well.

When marblecake was outted and darr's dox were dropped, they moved. Darr dropped out altogether. They moved again a week later, and I was left in the dust for being a suspected spy.

Some of the people that were in it got back together last month to start producing again. I was invited back in, and I've played the same devil's advocate role that I like to play here and anywhere I post. I can honestly say they *are* making an effort to be more transparent, and they are *not* trying to manipulate the masses. They are just interested in producing good, quality content for chanology.

As far as factions go, there's marblecake, enturbmods, OCMB, and the #enturbulation channers (in addition to each individual city's cell, and probably many others I don't know about). MC and entubmods have battled, #enturbulation (specifically Tuesday and WB) have battled with marblecake. OCMB often has drama pour over into enturbulation. #enturbulation generally hates marblecake. It's all a bunch of stupid infighting, and many people have been involved with more than one of those groups. And nobody should feel 'left out' for not being involved in any of 'em, 'cause they're all essentially janitors for the *real* anons, the ones that are out in cities fliering and picketing.

And everyone involved in genuinely, honestly interested in destroying Scientology through peaceful means.

e: left out one of the most important 'divisions' of anons: channers and SAGoons. This has been a cultural rift from the beginning, with many of anon 'footsoldiers' being channers, and most enturbmods being goons. In the end, channers and goons are like figure/ground, shadowself and persona. But the most divisive issues are 1) attitudes about Lowtax's modding, and 2) attitudes about egos/reputations. Channers want almost no modding, and no egos/reputations. Goons like recognizing names they can rely on for skillful replies, and prefer ever post contribute, be in full sentences, gramatically correct with no memes (or else). There are good and bad things with each approach. And adherents of either side believe theirs is the only way. And a lot of the drama we're seeing here is a consequence of this rift.

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Marblecake.... They are THE PATRIOTS OF ANONYMOUS! DAMN THE PATRIOTS!

Oh and this is a MGS reference that makes complete sense if you've played that series.

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Humph. I'm not sure if I like that idea.

At least it's not as bad as the "new Thunderdome" makes it out to be.

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Do they use sock puppet accounts to artificially spread hype for their ideas and create the semblance of hive consensus?

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Copypasta.

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I might piss off some of the other marblecakers for sharing, but I'm gunna do it. Keep in mind, I don't want them - or ANY anon - namefagged, so I'll keep it vague.

The incident in question was about 'Operation Psychout.' When I was first invited into marblecake (march, I think), they were planning that for may. I have a background in psychology, and told them my honest thoughts: Internet vs. Scientology will have the public for us 90 to 10. The 'Citizens Commission of Human Rights' vs. Psychiatry will be about 40 to 60. I mean, just a random polling of people without any explanation. Uphill battle. Furthermore, most anons are NOT familiar with the history of psychology, and a lot of what the CCHR says about it is based (sometimes more loosely than others) on truth. If we have an army of uneducated anons marching around saying CCHR are liars, and they produce dox, with the battle already about 50/50 in the minds of the public, we will get slaughtered. So me and another guy were gunna head that operation. It wasn't a matter of trying to 'force' it through... Marblecake had decided the previous themes without any objection or trouble; Enturbulation was still fledgeling enough that it wasn't really proposing themes of its own yet.

There was a bit of a rift on the press releases thing. I wanted to pitch ideas to enturb. We have an incredible talent pool here, and I didn't see why marblecake should divvy press releases between 3 people when they could pitch a couple to me, I'd pitch it here, and it would get done in professional quality in a few hours time. Darr did not like the idea of relenquishing control of press releases to the unwashed masses (not her actual words). She also whined about having too much work to do. I couldn't get her to see that enturbulation.org was a resource that could unburden her of a lot of that load.

Anyhow, I pitched psychout on enturbulation.org. It did *not* take. Not for a minute. And when I told marblecake this, Darr told me I 'didn't pitch it right.' This was right at the time that marblecake was outted and fell apart, and battletoads happened.

I've heard from other enturbmods that they registered sockpuppets here to try to push it. I've seen no evidence of that myself. I recently asked them about it (when they got back together), and they swear they didn't. I can't offer a definitive answer.

The suggestion that spy vs. sci is theirs is false. It was brought up to me on IRC by an aussie anon. There's posts about it on his city's cite going back 2 weeks before anywhere else. I liked the idea, mentioned it to tamphex and takeanonme on skype, and he loved it. I pitched it to marblecake *and* to WB, and both liked the idea. At this point people started working on copypasta, sites, shoops, etc, and it got pitched here. People loved it. If they didn't, it would've been dropped. It was a collaborative effort, and no manipulation occured. The fact that it did not originate in an enturbulation.org thinktank thread is not, I think, a mark against it - enturbulation.org does *NOT* own anonymous. They do have to like and approve of a theme for it to work, though - and they did. I don't see any problem there.

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Wtf are you on about? THIS is marblecake:



inb4 infraction

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They're the reason most anons I know don't go to protests and they're just another bunch of fags trying to 'control' anonymous. Seems they've been around for a few months else they'd know how well that's gone down in the past.

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Marblecake exists, but it's not quite as horrible or terrible as you think it is. I know quite a few people in it, but I don't feel comfortable namefagging them since I actually like some of them. :/

Marblecake is (supposed) to be a multicity think tank of sorts with some of the most active people in Chanology. It's a way to figure out what works in different cities, come up with ideas, make videos, do planning, stuff like that. Things that the rest of us do all the time. They're smart people who actually DO give a shit about Anonymous and Chanology, and do go out of their way to keep this whole crazy party going. It's not really that different from what a lot of us do on enturbulation or in our local cities to coordinate stuff. In fact, I know lots of similar "think tank" kind of groups that put together ideas and videos. Most cities have a similar group of people who are the guys that DO shit, plan things, and carry out the ideas, doesn't make them leaders either.

The one thing I don't like about marblecake so much is that they sometimes try to contact people with well known user names to support their idea. I have been approached for months know to join in with them and as awesome as it would be to plan stuff with an active, talented group of Anons, I've held back because I'm a little uncomfortable with that one aspect. It's like trying to force a meme. If some group puts out an idea like Sea Arrrgh or Spy vs. Sci and it's GOOD, then Anonymous will carry it forward naturally. If some group puts out an idea that sucks, like the focus on the CCHR instead of battletoads, then Anonymous will shit all over it no matter how hard anyone tries to force it to go through. There's a natural Anonymous barrier to bad ideas and leadarrfaggotry.

As long as they're not trying to force the rest of us to do things we don't want to do, then I really don't have any problem with people getting together to plan out ideas/videos/operations. The second they try to force it by being leaders with egos, then that's NOT OKAY. Honestly, the best course of action is to just DO IT FAGGOT. If you like an idea, do it. It doesn't matter who thought of it if it's good and lulzy. If you don't like it, do something else and come up with your own shit. I know for a fact that these people are pushing for more transparency and are NOT trying to control Anonymous, especially after the shitstorm with Darr.


tl:dr - Don't shit on people who come up with ideas unless they're forcing stuff. Either do what you want anyways, or come up with your own ideas. Marblecake isn't a threat and trying to herd cats by making suggestions isn't leaderfaggotry.

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Thank you for being brave enough to post this Consensus. It's the dialogue that matters. In no way does anyone want marblecake to be obliterated unless they go back to what "Darr" was advocating. Open and honest dialogue is what matters. If they are a group presenting ideas that the hive agrees with all the better... but the group does not control the whole.. Influence is based on the merit of their ideas, the strength of their message. This is what we need. not shadows. We need strong ideas. If from marble cake.. or another group. So be it. The Ideas and their power are all that matter.

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Actually, I'd be happy to use this thread to tell any of the info I have. But keep in mind I'm not all-knowing, and any speculation I have about any people's personalities or intentions are just my own theories, and not definitive. I'm also likely to spin things to allow everyone involved to 'save face.' And almost everyone I mention has the ability to drop my dox, so assume I'm keeping that in mind. I'm also fairly insignificant, but I've had a unique opportunity to be present for a lot of kickass moments in Chanology - My story largely parallel's takeanonme's (playing all sides/burning no bridges), until he outted things today. I'm not a spy, I'm just genuinely interested in getting this diverse group of people to work together to the greatest effect.

Everyone has loyalties, and everyone in my stories *is* dedicated to taking down Scientology. Many marblecakers still feel darr got a really raw deal (she was trolled hard after her dox were dropped). Dr3k, like me, believes everyone has an angle - and he's kept his very, very tightly concealed.

Some stories I think are worth telling: The birth of the Thunderdome, the war between dr3k and poppins (which ended with Core as admin here), the drama of tuesday vs. LE, how WB outted marblecake, how WB and Dr3k ended up losing their admin/mod privs (and eventually got banned from enturb), etc.

I hope anyone reading this realizes I'm doing it for healing, in a 'truth and reconciliation' sort of sense. I will not dox anyone. I may not get all the facts right. And I do firmly believe that every person in any of these stories is a good person (and I don't mean that in a moralfag way), a person who has contributed greatly, and a person who probably got a raw deal at some point. The definitely have been egos involved.

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Also for the record since there seems to be some confusion and some rumors. >9000 march =/= marblecake idea. I know we're a bunch of retards and trolls in DC, but I swear to Xenu this was a home grown idea and the dedicated failures here should have the credit they deserve for their hard work. We may be rejects, but we can come up with good ideas every once in a while, I SWEAR!! 8D

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^ but what's the point of even indicating it? If it WAS a "Marblecake" idea, would that make it a bad idea? Does it not being a "Marblecake" idea make it BETTER? It doesn't make sense.

From what I've heard, as far as I know, it's a pretty damn dedicated group of brainstorming people who spearhead a lot of Anonymous ideas and put them out there for the heard of cats. Tinfoil hat people would have you believe they're TRYINKGG TO BE THU LEADURS OF ANONYMISS!! but that doesn't make a lick of fucking sense. I'm not being led by anyone? I work on whatever I think is worthwhile and that's it.

Am I missing the issue here? Their planning doesn't sound much different than what happens in any other IRC for any number of states/cities in this protesting thing. What's the big deal?

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good on marblecake. there IS an incredible talent pool here and if it's acting behind the scenes. -- who the fuck cares.

the whole chanology thing that was anti-too much ego was one of the things that caught me on this whole anonymous thing - this shit is sapping what's good about enturb -- the drama is counterproductive. you don't like something - don't engage and it will die.

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Basically Marblecake sounds like a group of motivated individuals who are a think tank outside of Enturb. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't there a few of those kicking around in the shape of local messageboards/sites/IRC? It all sounds fine with me if it is how Consensus describes it now. It's only dodgy when those people start creating lots of accounts to get their thoughts agreed by the hive mind faster than those without a "gang" behind them (gang in the playground sense not the innit gangsta sense!). it's also dodgy when mods/admins get involved and push the marblecake or whoever agenda over what is being discussed....but from the nights dramatic twists and turns, you can be assured I think that it will be jumped on if it happens/happens again. IMO anyone who seriously tried to be an Anon leader or leaders would be burnt at the stake pretty quickly.

TL;DR? Crack on Marblecake, keep away from power trips and keep the good ideas coming!

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Uh?

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^Angry faggotry is not going to heal wounds.

If nothing else, this is quite fascinating. Mod wars are like watching janitors fight.

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Screw this. Marblecake aren't a threat, they haven't had an influence since Operation: Reconnect. They're decent folk, just talking things out and doing what they can to help take down CoS. What you're proposing is dumb, vindictive and counter-productive.

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except for Operation Sea-ARRGH, Spy VS Sci, sock puppet posters trying to recruit "BIG NAME" posters to their "cause", etc...

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Oh shut up dr3k.

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I saw the hub for SP-IRC went down last night..that must have sucked ;_;

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good ideas are good and bad ideas are bad.
Who proposes them is not so important.
Openness is a good thing too, "mysticism and shadows" not always so much, though it can be fun and shouldn't matter anyway.
If people get together to create new ideas that is good, if people get together to try to control things it is bad. But in the end people will do what they like anyway and so the good stuff will work and the bad stuff won't. No need to get headaches because of that or to announce people will get "destroyed".
Thanks to consensus for posting this, interesting to read this story.

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Lol. Dude, I'm not involved in this shit in any way. I hadn't heard of this marblecake faggotry until last night. I just think you're an idiot.

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Man apparently I've had my head under a rock because I've missed all this marblecake shit. I suppose if what is being said is real it if anything presents a danger to us in that a scilon run group could potentially try to influence anon the way these people did. But given the scilon ability to mimic us properly I'd say we have little to worry about on that front. As for marblecake... you're always going to get a few people who want to be the BIG NAME in any group be it anonymous or scientology or any other group, organized or not. Sounds like someone made a play for power and it blew up in their face. Lesson to all, anon and leadership doesn't mix, at least not on a large scale. I would add trying to become a BIG NAME in anon as a quick way to getting namefagged and becoming a dramamagnet.

Besides. Anon planning and coordination and intelligence is all run by the Thunderdome. Everyone knows that.

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Scroll up. Spy Vs Sci wasn't Marblecake, it came from an aussie site. "Trying to recruit "BIG NAME" posters to the cause" is true, but also a misrepresentation of what they're about - regardless, I don't think they've tried it recently.

Operation Sea-ARRGH is interesting - that may have been Marblecake... I think they were still inactive since the ousting of Darr at that stage though. But that doesn't mean some Marblecakers weren't involved in it's conception, even it wasn't Marblecake as such.

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this really goes against everything that anon is for but i doubt it will ever become a huge issue since there only seems to be a couple of them from what i read here.

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this explains why I got called a "sockpuppet" recently, and also where the original "Call to Arms" vid came from.

tyvm, I have been wondering about that for a while.

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I'm sort of interested in Dr3k, I remember he had a lot of good input, then one day he got 'disappeared'. here is a question I have on the good vs bad of this marbelcake group, why is it that I have not heard about it until right now? I know I never go to the dome or the chans or SA or most anywhere other than here for my central anon info (I have noticed a significant drop in volume as of late BTW) why is it I have heard nothing of this until right now, especially if it supposedly got outed months ago? if you are thinking that I answered my own question, then I think we have identified why this isn't good. a cabal of people trying to work things in the background is irrelevant, a cabal that silences all who oppose them is something I will oppose.

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Marblecake has been known about for months. It's on Something Awful forums, and (later?) ED. It's not that big a deal... I personally don't like to talk about it, because it robs Anonymous of its mystery/ anonymity to some extent, to know who was responsible for the original YouTube videos.

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Well I guess they're doing something good, but I must say I'm pissed off that I've been a part of Chanology since it started and I only just find out that the original Message video was not in fact made by a normal /b/tard but by a sooper-dooper-secret elitist group that no-one knew about.

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oh, now watch OSA rubbing their hands excitedly "We found their leaders!!!"

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Ah, yeah. It's kinda lame in that respect, but the videos were a group effort - and that group was Marblecake (though at that stage it may have been called Cofeecake or something?) I guess that's part of the reason it was kept secret... it's a bit of a buzzkill when you find out.

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OSA's idiots are probably inane enough to believe they've now tracked down Anonymous' leaders and sekrit lair.

Fine, go hunt down Marblecake on a wild goosechase. Jesus, Rinder would be ashamed of you.

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What kind of pisses me off is the realisation that every time i said anon has no leaders to people i was at least as dumb as every low level scilon who was parroting OT3 is BS.

Maybe not now, but in the beginning.

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Who cares.

The point isn't what #marblecake, #enturbulation, SA, 4chan, Enturb mods, TD, or #excess_drama_and_faggotry are doing. As far as someone making the vid not being "a normal anon," haven't a bunch of us grouped together in our cities to hivemind on stuff? Of COURSE a group of anons put it together. Man up and get back to finding your own lulz (a flashraid is fine, too).

And let me ask you this - is anyone paying you? Is anyone telling YOU what to do? Is anyone handing out flowcharts of how disputes are to be resolved, and who is on top? No. You are responsible for every decision you make, and answerable to no other Anon (unless you really, really piss everyone off by being utter fail). The only important question is "what are YOU doing, and if someone asks you, can you give them a coherent explanation as to why?"

tl;dr: if you don't want to be "controlled by some elite," then don't be. Do what you want. As long as you aren't being stupid, it's all good.

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my 2 cents: Did you do anything you were uncomfortable with, because XY told you to? Then XY was your leader and you a tool. If not, then not.

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I think thats a bit of an overstatement.. this is all relatively new to me (in detail, i was aware of the marblecake leakage).. but afaik they weren't leaders, per se. Just a group doing some organizing. People assume that shit just magically happens, but it doesn't. it's naive to think otherwise. but heres what sets the difference between organizing and leading: they tried to promote that psychiatry crap for May, and we all shot them down, harshly. Hell, i was one of the ones kicking and screaming about it being a bad idea. And as you can see, we never did it. Thus, no leaders.

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of course no one told me what to do, but the accusations that early on sockpuppet accounts were made to push certain themes, even if they were totally unsuccessful, is pretty unsettling. I guess more than anything im pissed off at myself for being so naive as to think even an attempt at that kind of shit was impossible.