What Scientology will probably do about the tragic death of Jett Travolta.

his_GF_left_him · Jan 5, 2009

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did you also say driving the wedge between John and Joey even deeper?

mrfyde · Jan 5, 2009

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Michael,

Do you think it is possible that the mention of Kawasaki is a tactic used to create an intention break in ARC (communication) that is meant to be some form of misdirection or distraction or some other kind of scapegoat to take the heat off of autism.

And would this be something learned in scientology and considered part of the "religion".

Exstaff · Jan 5, 2009

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one of the "handlings" that is done with all the Scientology faggots is for them to sit down and figure out "what they did to pull this in" meaning how did they cause this. hmmmm. I wonder how they pulled in killing their child...

see, scientology not only does not work but is just imaginary till they have a problem that is in the real world THEN it's chucked out the window.

exOT8Michael · Jan 5, 2009

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mrfyde;680153 said:

Michael,

Do you think it is possible that the mention of Kawasaki is a tactic used to create an intention break in ARC (communication) that is meant to be some form of misdirection or distraction or some other kind of scapegoat to take the heat off of autism.

And would this be something learned in scientology and considered part of the "religion".

I totally get your question and it is valid in my opinion.

My view from experience of Scientology is that "autism", being a "psych" type of developmental disorder, would be far too much of an acceptance of a term from psychology to be tolerable. Hubbard was utterly paranoid (oops, a psych term) about psychology and psychiatry to the point of insane hate that he deeply indoctrinates into Scientologists through writings, "technology" and ethics theories.

Kawasaki syndrome would be a more acceptable term. Now, I don't know about what Jett had and I am not going to speculate with empty guesses but I do know what Scientologists would tend to avoid like the plague. One of those vigorous avoidances would be any term used by psychs in their terminologies.

mrfyde · Jan 5, 2009

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exOT8Michael;680171 said:

I totally get your question and it is valid in my opinion.

My view from experience of Scientology is that "autism", being a "psych" type of developmental disorder, would be far too much of an acceptance of a term from psychology to be tolerable. Hubbard was utterly paranoid (oops, a psych term) about psychology and psychiatry to the point of insane hate that he deeply indoctrinates into Scientologists through writings, "technology" and ethics theories.

Kawasaki syndrome would be a more acceptable term. Now, I don't know about what Jett had and I am not going to speculate with empty guesses but I do know what Scientologists would tend to avoid like the plague. One of those vigorous avoidances would be any term used by psychs in their terminologies.

I would also like confirmation about what is a physical and what is a mental "problem".

In Scientology are not all problems "mental problems". I know that could be taken as a joke but that is not how I intend it.

I understand from things Hubbard has said about cancer for example that people only get it because the believe they can get it. So would that make Cancer a "mental problem?".

I can see where a broken leg would be considered a physical problem by Scientologists but any medication you could get for a broken leg that would lead to an issue because pain is believed to be menatl am I correct ?

Not to mention that all medication supports Scientology's # 1 enemy the drug companies. (I assume)

exOT8Michael · Jan 5, 2009

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mrfyde;680213 said:

I would also like confirmation about what is a physical and what is a mental "problem".

In Scientology are not all problems "mental problems". I know that could be taken as a joke but that is not how I intend it.

I understand from things Hubbard has said about cancer for example that people only get it because the believe they can get it. So would that make Cancer a "mental problem?".

I can see where a broken leg would be considered a physical problem by Scientologists but any medication you could get for a broken leg that would lead to an issue because pain is believed to be menatl am I correct ?

Not to mention that all medication supports Scientology's # 1 enemy the drug companies. (I assume)

Ok, I honestly think there are plenty of questions on this, so I want to make a new thread that removes the question of Scientology's stance on medications from this thread about Jett's tragic death.

mrfyde · Jan 6, 2009

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exOT8Michael;680241 said:

Ok, I honestly think there are plenty of questions on this, so I want to make a new thread that removes the question of Scientology's stance on medications from this thread about Jett's tragic death.

Thanks Michael

That link is :
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...edication-matter-life-death-35515/#post680333

AnonKiwi · Jan 6, 2009

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I find it so sad that the Travoltas were somehow convinced that their own cleanliness lead to Jett's illness. There's a quote in The Times article from One of the Travoltas where it says they found out it was their own cleaning and cleaning products that were to "blame".

What horrible and unnecessary guilt they must have carried these past 14 years, and now I bet it is even worse. God damned cult!

mrfyde · Jan 6, 2009

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AnonKiwi;680416 said:

I find it so sad that the Travoltas were somehow convinced that their own cleanliness lead to Jett's illness. There's a quote in The Times article from One of the Travoltas where it says they found out it was their own cleaning and cleaning products that were to "blame".

What horrible and unnecessary guilt they must have carried these past 14 years, and now I bet it is even worse. God damned cult!

Cults control people with guilt. fear, and paranoia, not to mention a bunch of lies. I can see where the Travolta's could have been targets for all of the above in the case of the conditions Jett was described to have had.

peerless mantis · Jan 6, 2009

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OP needs to stop pretending to care about some kid he never met and lol like the rest of us.

exOT8Michael · Jan 6, 2009

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peerless mantis;680506 said:

OP needs to stop pretending to care about some kid he never met and lol like the rest of us.

LOL

Show me the funny.

JFawkeson · Jan 6, 2009

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AnonKiwi;680416 said:

I find it so sad that the Travoltas were somehow convinced that their own cleanliness lead to Jett's illness. There's a quote in The Times article from One of the Travoltas where it says they found out it was their own cleaning and cleaning products that were to "blame".

So what you're saying is the Travoltas believed that they 'pulled in' Kawasaki's? I wonder who might have put that idea in their heads...

Juanita · Jan 6, 2009

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Question.

I wonder... now that this has happened, will John Travolta and Kelly Preston finally realize what Scientology really is, and leave it?

Or will they stay because they are they completely brainwashed?

... Or stay because they are addicted to the thing?

... Or stay because there's monstrous pressure to stay?

... Or stay because they have received too many benefits from belonging to it, and they're not really free to leave, so to speak?

... Or stay for another reason most of us aren't aware of?

azonymous · Jan 30, 2009

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exOT8Michael;673351 said:

Scientology and the death of Jett Travolta.

The news of the tragic death of Jett Travolta today is a sad event indeed.
My sincere condolences go to the whole family and I hope they can somehow eventually turn this situation into something positive in the medium-long term. Life has ways of bringing the sunshine back after dark clouds have lifted.

For those fans and media who will be trying to come to a real understanding of what will happen with the John Travolta, Kelly Preston and Scientology with regard to this, I can offer some educated guesses based on a very long term (24 years) devoted experience and membership in Scientology. [NOTE: I left Scientology in 1997 after severe "irreconcilable differences" prevented me from wanting to continue, so I am not a proponent of Hubbard or of Scientology now. Indeed, I sued Scientology for fraud and other matters in 1998, but my extensive experiences of how things work in the cult are still intact and I doubt that Scientologists will be very open to providing such information to the media or public].

The vast majority of people will have no idea what this kind of thing will probably entail as far as Scientology style "follow up" is concerned.

Firstly, information about what the family is doing will most likely be curtailed or cut.
Scientology spokespeople will very likely give out generalized "press releases" through lawyers or PR personnel that will give no real substance for informing the public.

Secondly, the questions that have arisen about whether the anti-drug/anti-pharmaceutical tenets of Scientology might possibly have actually prevented Jett from receiving proper medical treatment or preventative assistance will be downplayed, denied, ridiculed and/or harshly criticized to try to get attention off the issue as fast as possible. This aspect, however, may not just "go away". It is a question of life or death, after all...

Thirdly, the family will very likely go to Clearwater, Florida (or maybe have Scientology professionals come to their Florida home, but this is far less likely) to the Oak Cove building and/or Sandcastle Hotel for what Scientology calls "handlings". These handlings will very likely entail the following;

0. Meeting with the staff member who deals with grieving people to cover physical details of a funeral and/or a memorial. Then those arrangements would be planned and carried out. The liaison would probably be done the current celebrity handler who would be a high ranking Sea Organization member.

1.Ethics interviews and associated procedures. (Scientology's "Division 1" services.)

This aspect of services would look into the unfortunate and tragic event of Jett's death being a possible result of some kind of personal ethics breach or lack of integrity by the parents. In particular the individual parents would have separate interviews about their own role in the tragedy or how come they "pulled in" (a Scientology ethics jargon term) such an awful situation by something in their own behavior.

The Scientology celebrity ethics officer would also actively look for one or more people in the Travoltas' circle of friends, acquaintances who might be antagonistic to or even anti-Scientology and who could have had sufficient negative influence to "cause" such a tragedy. That person would then be the target of possible disconnection (shunning), firing or lawsuit/fair game. There would be many steps possible for John and Kelly coming out of the "Ethics" handlings, and these could not be predicted here.

***It is worthy of note that the potential question of NOT giving proper or adequate medication would not be considered a Scientology ethics violation due to L.Ron Hubbard's indoctrination to avoid such medical or psychological types of treatment. In fact, the failure to give doctor-recommended drugs or medications to Jett might factually be considered to be a laudable Scientology ethics matter.***

2.Correction interviews and procedural steps (Scientology's "Division 5" services).

These steps, sometimes called "Review" would be services designed to address any failures of John or Kelly (and/or Jett's caretaker, as I believe he is a Scientologist) to have properly applied relevant Scientology technologies to their son or his living situation within the family. Any strictly Scientology-dictated ways of living that are detected as to having been omitted or misapplied would have to be re-studied and drilled till they become second nature.

3.Technical sessions ("auditing") (Scientology's "Division 4" services.

This would be some very expensive counseling sessions and personal programs designed to remove, if possible, all the negative emotions from this awful tragedy. This can cost up to $1000 an hour. The outcome of this step is varied in its success and can take weeks or months to complete.

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A more cynical prediction: I would also comfortably estimate that Scientology, as an organization, would attempt to get the maximum financial and public relations benefit from this horrible tragedy. It will be interesting to watch how they go about doing this. In any case the organization through its spokespeople will tend to avoid truth, responsibility and facts. It will also use the media without being of any real service to the media. Hubbard hated journalists almost as much as he hated psychologists, doctors and psychiatrists.

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