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What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by genoramix, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. genoramix Member

    What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Although i disagree with the anti-abortion extremists on many points, this thread : http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-ge...ey-sea-org-member-i-m-out-come-join-me-24488/

    makes me think : are the anti-abortion groups aware of the policies of Co$ on this matter? Moreover they are quite powerful in the US(i think).

    I think it could be nice to contact some of those groups with all the forced abortion stories. Could bring a lot of people to the protest, ok not with the same agenda, but still...This could lead to massive protests against the "church" from them.

    Whaddya think?
  2. beret Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    DO NOT WANT.
    these crazies will personal army us like nobody's business.
    and I refuse to become bedfellows with them, no sirree.

    other folks may be up for it, but I'd prefer not taking sides. Use the forced abortion as a talking point, but we don't want to get mired down in other people's politics...

    ...plus, might add, the pro-choice folks would also be drawn in against forced abortion, given the choice aspect of their platform.
  3. Cubane Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Most of us wouldn't fit in very well with the culture of Chanology. The other thing is that there are higher-value targets for pro-life/anti-abortion groups; the Sea Org isn't responsible for all that many abortions.

    That, and I gather (from posts like beret's) that there would be a bit of backlash.
  4. genoramix Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Ok, but what about just informing them? Not inviting them at the protests, if they want to come fine, but if this is done, we should clearly say that our goal is to dismantle the cult, and we won't take position on the abortion matter outside the co$.

    It seems a good idea to me, but i am currently lacking of sleep, so disregard if it's a fail idea.
    cocks etc.
  5. highoverlord Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    umm dude.... they are kinda nuts, httey like to shoot doctors and bomb places
  6. beret Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    I think it's a good idea in terms of 'getting word out about the awful policies of $cientology', but I feel like for where chanology is RIGHT NOW, we should do that on a person-to-person basis. If you see someone in a right-to-life shirt or whatever, inform them- just like I inform guys who tell me they're gay at protests (it happens surprisingly often!) about the policy on homosexuality.

    If we get to a point that, say, legislative action is occurring on a local or national level, then, by all means, MAN SOME HARPOONS. the more people we have lobbying on a particular piece of legislation, the more likely it would be to get passed.
  7. anonymers Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    bad idea jeans.

    on the other hand, i don't see what's wrong with contacting pro-choice groups. forcing abortions is anti-choice.
  8. whoever Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    I agree that it's a bad idea. The Sea Org takes away a woman's right to choose--that's what I object to. Anti-abortion groups don't want women to have a choice, either.
  9. rasputin Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Taking the same approach to them that we take to other groups - we provide info, they (hopefully) act on it - cool.

    "Making friends" with them - DO NOT WANT
  10. Cubane Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Responding fully to this would drag the thread off-topic. Dox or it didn't happen.
  11. Spylon Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Support from everyone, including pro-life groups, is win. But stay on target. Forced abortion is both against pro-life and pro-choice, and that's why it's good to call out CultO$ on that and bring attention to it.

    Stay on Target.
  12. twelve Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    This.
  13. Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    If you're gonna go after pro-life groups, you might as well get the pro-choice folks too (forced/coerced abortions != choice). Hell this could be the one thing they could agree upon.
  14. GrogStat Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Well they & /b/ could have fun swapping photos.
  15. Anon-ymous Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    DO NOT WANT. We do not want to bring political bullshit, same thing as asking religions to join in, they will just promote their own agenda.
  16. Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    We shouldn't team up with them, but we should definitely inform them and hope they give the Co$ some shit. Same goes for all other potential enemies of the Co$ who want to push their own agenda.
  17. sinkingship Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    anti-abortion people are nuts, but mentioning this when talking to religious folk would be better. I'm not sure how much discussion Anon has had with members/leaders of different religions, and I'm not sure if it's even something we want to pursue, but I've heard of Anon planning to talk to churches in neighborhoods where CoS is about to plop down.
  18. Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    To be more precise, the extremist anti-abortion people are nuts, not to mention hypocritical.

    >__>
  19. Anon-ymous Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Again, DO NOT WANT. Religions would just show up and push their own agenda as well as associate anon with them which would be a HUGE FAIL.
  20. Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    When harpooning any of these groups it's best not to mention Anonymous at all.
  21. genoramix Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Actually this is what i was talking about(but my OP wasn't ....coherent enough, lack of sleep).

    I think informing both anti-abortion and pro-choice groups would be nice.

    Of course, inviting them at our protests would be much FAIL because they certainly would spend time fighting each other and that's all we don't want.

    I thought about just a letter describing the practises of the Co$ signed Anonymous would be fine, but the poster who said Anonymous shouldn't be mentioned at all certainly has a point. However, i think if they start to google "Anonymous", there is pretty much enough information outthere to clearly state what our agenda is, and that we are not their personal army.

    Thoughts?
  22. Guerillanon Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Okay, let me preface this by saying that personally, I am anti abortion. I own an ABORTION IS HOMICIDE hoodie and wore it all the time. I'm not one of those 'my personal beliefs but you can do what you want' people. I tend to be pushy.

    But the majority of anti abortion groups that aren't run by middleaged housewives are FUCKING INSANE!

    Like seriously. I've heard them talk about blowing things up. And kidnapping doctors... Yeah. I'm all about anti abortion... but stay the FUCK away from those groups.
  23. chickpea Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    No way. If pro-life groups get involved, I'm out. I will not be associated with them
  24. anon4eva Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    ^^EXACTLY!!
    Great point
  25. PFD Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    fyi: im pro choice to the max.

    Here is what SHITS ME TO NO END--> "NAWW WE DON"T WANT (X) GROUP SUPPORTING US AT A RAID CAUSE THEY BRING (x) TOPIC TO IT AND TAKE OVER" etc.

    (not sure how this applies in the USA as they have freedom of speech part of the law. but here in Oz....)

    Yeah, sure if you let them- and guess what? YOUR BREAKING YOUR PERMIT RULES THEN.

    The organiser of the event, the person with your pretty permit, has the right to tell any support groups that do join us raiding to get the fuck out if they start advocating their own causes etc.

    They have to tell them to shut the fuck up- during the permit application process you have to inform the relevant parties of what your event is about. This means, the fliers, the speeches, the signs, must be relevant to the issue you informed the parties of. Otherwise, if you say it's a Anti-CoS and then rally against the war instead on the day, they have to right to move everyone on + deny permits in the future.

    Did your organiser say it's a anti abortion/pro life rally? Fuck no- they said it was an anti-shitty cult rally. Hence, only this information regarding this should be focused on and only topics regarding it.

    Yer sounds like a kick in the nuts of freedom of speech but that's how it is.

    TL;DR:
    In Oz, no support group(s) in attendence can take over a raid, advocating their causes instead. It becomes illegal and the permit holder get get them the fuck out of there.
  26. AnonNaEireann Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    FUCK NO.
  27. skidmark Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Pro-lifers are the very reason my younguns don't go to church right now. I remember all too well a Sunday school teacher telling me (a child!) that I was going to hell for believing people should have the right to choose.

    I think it's great to bring up the adoption topic in general because most Americans have thought it out and have a belief on it. It normally goes like this:

    - pro-lifers: If you say you're pro-choice that means you're supporting the homicide of children. It's a life and it should be saved!

    - pro-choicers: Nuh uh! No one said we were pro-abortion! We don't think people should just willy-nilly end pregnancies. We just see the shades of grey where a woman would feel it was the best decision.

    - pro-abortion: I never said to kill a baby. It's not a baby, it's a clump of cells that will further populate our already stressed planet. Use a condom or something. You ever read Freakonomics, asshat? We can't even feed the ones we got! (and here's where it gets personal for me... but my babies' bio-mama has 7 kids and needs a fucking hysterectomy.)

    So, everyone who sees "$ci forces women to have abortions" automatically knows how they feel about that. We don't need SPECIAL interest groups - we just need the public in general.
    We may as well flyer churches with papers that say "L Ron declares himself the anti-christ in OT VIII and said Jesus was an evil brainwasher." But then we have asshats like tele-evangelists giving us bad PR.
  28. PFD Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

  29. Publius Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    There are many groups and movements that would be highly opposed to $cientology for many reasons.

    Capitalists - because $cientology represents the worst of capitalism

    Communists/Socialists - same as above

    Liberals/Libertarians/Civil liberties activists - because they use a variety of psychological/sociological tactics to imprison their members.

    Atheists - $cientology using their illusion of being a religion to indoctrinate people and squeeze money out of them; representing the worst in being a "religion"

    Christians - LRon's involvement in occult practices, leading others away from God, misusing the cross.

    There may be many more groups that will be opposed to $cientology one way or another. As you can tell each one of these groups would be opposed to each other one way or another, but just by getting them all to rail against $cientology doesn't mean we have to pick sides. This isn't a "liberal or conservative" issue and shouldn't be treated as such. It's an issue that affects us all as human beings.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Personally, I think a better ally would be the Westboro Baptsist Church. We could win them over with the following:

    Forced Abortions.
    Human Rights “Multathlon” Running Team Presented with Rainbow Flag in West Hollywood - Scilons claiming that they now accept homosexuality.
    The whole "Jesus was a pedophile" thing.
    The R6-implant story.

    Think about it. They would sue eachother until they were both dirt poor, and we'd effectively be killing two very big birds with one stone. Besides, I'd shit myself laughing over a "godhatescientology.com".
  31. Anonymous Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    No edit button. Yeah, I know that links to a Scilon site, but if we were to send that to the WBC, they'd get even moar pissed off at the Cult, since it was THEIR website that published the info to get gay members.

    Sorry for posting it, though. I thought it would still be relevant to your interests.
  32. AnonPerk Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    a) The problem with the Sea Org abortions is that they are fucking forced, not that they are abortions in general.

    b) Pro-lifers are massive fucktards.

    To summarise: FUCK NO.
  33. WBMBacker Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    highloverlord: The majority of us pro-lifers don't employ these tactics. ;]

    Posters on this thread: Here in this cause, we want people opposed to Scientology. To garner support from other `groups of protesors' of other causes opens anonymous up to competing causes when decisions are being hammered out. EX: `We want this months protest to be on pro-life, showing how scientologists force abortions'... `We want this months protest to be Party Harder, to show a celebration of 6 months enturbulating!' More head-ache than it's worth, methinks.

    As always, do what you want, yadda yadda... however, methinks (and this speaking as a pro-lifer!) this is not a good decision for the goal thats been set here.
  34. Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    Sea Org abortions are neither pro-life or pro-choice, they're pro-infanticide :fuckyou:

    Also Scientology likes to think they're not forcing abortions on Sea Org members, but give them a choice to abort or leave. Of course leaving is unthinkable, because all outside contact is destroyed and they have nowhere to go.
  35. knightmarish Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    we shouldn't get involved with any of these groups because its just a persons belief on whether they are pro-life/choice.

    In this group it shouldn't matter, our group is made up of many beliefs as varied as the people that form it. We shouldn't invite any groups but rather ask if individual members would like to participate.

    personally if one group was allowed to join, we'd have to allow the other side too, as long as they're only purpose was to get rid of scientology and not for they're own agendas... but I don't see this happening in the next century...
  36. PFD Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    How can one say "allowed to join" when we are not an organisation so do not facilitate any form of membership? ;)

    Also, the whole agenda mix debate. As you said, we have a variety of personal belief systems among us anons, so different agendas already exist within anon. I don't see how having other people involved from 'outside groups' changes things as it's not like we going to have a flyer say "supporting by x group" etc. Nor will we go "well now that we contacted this pro life group, we can _officially_ say all such groups are supporters of chanology" etc. I understand the concern on this issue but overall, don't think it'll impact as much as some think. The only real impact they can have, to say, take over and promote their own agenda is if we promoted them as "special groups" to start with.

    Our movement isn't structured in a manner that allows us to bring in "groups" to start with. They coming into this as anonymous. And if they come in and try to infiltrate in any way with their own shit, anonymous stands up and the consensus will say to get the fuck out. If it's IRL at a rally, you get the police to give them a move on order.

    tldr:
    keep to individuals getting involved. Don't promote their groups.
    Get rid of any that get involved for the wrong reasons. You get rid of a scilon bullbaiting at rallies, you can get rid of an over bearing pro-lifer/pro-abortion etc just the same.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    ^This.

    Anonymous is not nice. Anonymous is not your friend. They just need to know about it like anyone else, but they will fight for their own reasons and never for the sake of Anonymous.
  38. Grey Anon Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    This is a terrible idea since those groups are just insane. Don't forget these are the same people that range form totally normal to the more common batshit "I'll kill you for exercising a womens right nevermind the hypocrisy of my acts".

    This is what this thread needs:
    hangerchromethreeyp5.th.jpg
  39. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    If by making friends you mean trolling the ever living shit out of pro-life and abortion boards.

    Then yes, I'd like to subscribe to your news letter.

    I propose we start with what ever board WBMBaker is a part of.
  40. anonymusicz Member

    Re: What about making friends with anti-abortion groups?

    ^^^^ THIS

    Pass the info along to both groups. Goes against what both want.

    Were not asking to be friends with anyone.

    ANONYMOUS IS NOT NICE. ANONYMOUS IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

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