Village Voice Pimps Tony O and the Village Voice gets their own OSA hate site.

Discussion in 'Fair Game Reports and Personal Experiences' started by pooks, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. Smurf Member

    Oh, stop. College kids need something to do to feel a sense of important.. that is all. I'm sure Tony's sees the protests for what they are.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    Alicia Keys - I'm dissapoint. I like her music. Though she's proven to be not the brightest cookie in a jar. I say we protest her stealing a man from his wife and baby.
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  3. Smurf Member

    Obviously, you don't live in Hollywood where this behavior is normal.
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  4. Anonymous Member


    Regardless, would be lulzy to troll, and informative to document, so as to ID any scifaggots.

    PS, any actual dox on VV contributing/perpetuating human trafficking to legitimize claims?
  5. Anonymous Member

    Can't they just lose the fucking bit?

    It is a bit wrong.
  6. Anonymous Member

    In which ways is it wrong?
  7. Anonymous Member

    why is it wrong? It's freedom of speech. On top of that there are hundreds thousands of such adds on Yahoo and other sites, unmonitored. Why are they picking on VV?
  8. Anonymous Member

    Freedom of Speech?

    Pimping out prostitutes?

    Who pays for those ads? You think it's young independent women who make a choice of their own volition to let some stinking crackhead violate her for money?

    Next you'll be telling me scientology ads are equally acceptable. I find them equally disgusting, and would have no qualms about protesting a newspaper that continued to run them.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    I just hate it when innocent people are trapped in a situation where their families are threatened, their passports and papers are seized, and they are forced to do something they don't believe in to make other people rich. That's why I fucking hate scientology.
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  12. AnonyVix Member

    Actually I know people who work "adult entertainment" in the UK; yes that means I know prostitutes and in the UK the ones I know are young independent women; the age range of those I know is 22 - 40something.

    Yes there is exploitation, yes there is sex trafficking but there is also a large industry of both male and females doing it for themselves and for the money. These people use classifieds to advertise rather than stand the street corner, which is where most of the abused tend to be found.

    I don't think Village Voice is a hub for sex slavery and exploitation any more than any other classifieds advertising service. They have the same disclaimers and promises to report any criminal activity when found.

    Banning the adverts will not make the problem go away. What it will do is drive legitimate adult sex workers out of the market leaving more demand for the street walkers and the abused section.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    I still maintain the opinion that those who get rich by exploiting others should be hunted down and prosecuted, including pimps who pay for ads in and also David Miscavige.

    The cult of $cientology cannot possibly be protesting against exploitation given its proven history, especially when Jan Eastgate Myers is in court charged with perverting the course of justice in persuading a child to keep quiet about sex abuse to protect a high ranking $cientologist...
  14. Anonymous Member

    Also - if got rid of blatantly prostitute service ads - Village Voice could not be accused of double standards.

    I love Ortega's work and of course he has nothing to do with the business practices of his bosses - but this is surely what the 99% protests are all about - ending exploitation.

    Do they really need the adult pages? Plenty of other rags and websites for that stuff...
  15. AnonyVix Member

    I agree that those who get rich by exploiting other should be hunted down and prosecuted, including pimps who pay for ads in and also David Miscavige.

    All I'm saying is that there is a lot of people in the sex trade who are not abused, they make money supplying a demand. The adverts are mostly for their services. Their services compete with the services of those who are abused, though the abused ones are probably a lot cheaper.

    I can't say there aren't adverts for those in the sex trade who are abused but those who are abused in the sex trade tend to be on the streets rather than working as escorts or providing "body services" (new one for me).

    The really bad stuff, like under age kids, tends to be arranged via other street girls and their pimps or in pubs (wouldn't surprise me if they were arranged in churches in the USA) via the "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" method.

    Campaigning against these adverts is daft because the ads are not the problem, if anything they combat the problem by allowing the more "legitimate" services of those doing it for themselves rather than being abused to advertise to supply those who'd otherwise be curb crawling (UK term for looking for street prostitutes).

    Conversely ads for the church of scientology are a problem because they advertise an abusive cult.

    And I agree that the church of scientology campaigning against exploitation is ironic, just as ironic as their promotion of human rights.
  16. Anonymous Member

    I'm not about to campaign against the VV.

    I'm just saying their position on the adult classifieds does tarnish the very important work folk like Ortega do, and gives fuckwit cults like $lyentology a stick to beat them with.

    If they turned around and publically said - "we'll stop allowing folk to sell escort services on our free website when $cientology stops forcing women to have abortions, human trafficking, and child slave labor" it might be enough to shift the uncomfortable feeling I have about the business practices of the Village Voice. I'm no prude, far from it, but VV needs to keep it real.

    If they took that stance and made it loud enough - the jump in readers would prolly make up for the loss of revenue with the adult sections of an associated business anyway.
  17. AnonyVix Member

    Aside from the previous argument that such pages tend to reduce abuse by keeping people from curb crawling and allowing an avenue for those not being abused to ply their services those pages are a good excuse to extract money directly, the local ads in the adult section cost $5 a time rather than being free.

    They doubtless subsidise the free adverts which are used to attract people to the pages where paid for ads, not adult ones which are in a different section, can advertise to them on a pay by click basis. It's just makes business sense.

    I sympathise with the idea of ending exploitation but while campaigning to raise awareness is a good thing it is also a bad thing if it misdirects people to overly associate sex trade advertisements with abuse; I can't deny an association but I say it is much smaller than the campaigns lead one to believe.

    The only way to tackle sex trade abuse is via good policing but with the emphasis being on terrorism and drugs and strip searches at airports something has to suffer. It's a matter of resources and priorities.
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  18. AnonyVix Member

    I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying is that the general campaign against adult services adverts is misguided anyway regardless of who does it.

    I also know the only reason the scilons are involved and are singling out VV is because of its criticism of them, it really has sod all to do with ending exploitation so much as ending VV.
  19. Anonymous Member

    The way the $cientology cult is going after them is great. It means MORE people will get to hear about the situation with Jan Eastgate, it means the VV has more motivation to run stories that prove what a creepy criminal sect Miscavige runs, and overall publicity and awareness will increase.

    It's another footbullet for the cult. But I'm not ready to attack Alicia Keys or anyone who is against the adult classifieds.

    I'm of the Taxi Driver style of opinion when it comes to pimps.

  20. AnonyVix Member

    That's a fair stance to take, "Taxi Driver" style interesting. :)

    Alicia Keys just a person on a misguided mission. I'd write her and explain why she's wrong but she won't listen anyway and where as I would overtly campaign against the hypocrisy of church of scientology's involvement with Alicia Keys' campaign I can't protest everyone who's well meaning but misguided. Priorities. ;)
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  21. Anonymous Member

    I'm not so sure Alicia Keys is wrong.

    However I am sure that $cientology will be attracted to her like flies to hot shit, and will try to get her involved in the cult and to appropriate her name for their nefarious PR purposes.

    I would write to her to warn her of this, if nothing else, if I cared about her.
  22. AnonyVix Member

    You definitely should warn her that the scilons are about to bring her campaign in to disrepute as well as try to recruit her for other purposes.

    Warn her about The Way To Happiness and CCHR. They will use these to appeal to her campaigning nature. (If you really want to make a difference you need Scientology...)
  23. Anonymous Member

    Not my place to warn her. I don't care enough about her.
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  24. GloryMarcabia Member

    Let me know when you're all getting together. I'm coming from Long Island (Roslyn Heights) and am up for a bit of rabble-rousing against the krazy kulties.

    "Rev. Carmichael" fascinates me. I really want a chance to confront him on the streets of my City...

    Anyone planning confronting the VvKulties, please send me a discrete message. The weather has been kind and warm, so now is definitely a good time (not that cold yet) to do this.

    Gals and Guys, let me know.

    GloryMarcabia (Dave, Nassau County)
  25. GloryMarcabia Member

    Ditto. If she and her handlers don't see the train-wreck, it's not my job to point it out to them. Anyone living in America has the obligation to do her research about the groups her campaign affiliates with. It's not my job to point out the pitfalls, she has advisers which ought to do that job.

    As the Anon in post 1956556 wrote, I simply don't care much about her campaign, and it's not my place to act as an adviser; she has highly paid ones which should be steering her clear of kulties. Especially as the entire nation is aware of Tom Cruise's kultish outbursts.

    Her campaign should know better; so should she.

    Glory Marcabia
  26. Anonymous Member

    If she spoke out against the cult I'd care about her. Face it - she could benefit far more from a million Anonymous behind her than 20,000 clams (or however many of the freaks are left).
  27. Anonymous Member

    There's evidence that Craigslist dropping adult ads made things less safe for prostitutes as other sites didn't have the same degree of oversight. As I understand it, BackPages now has a similar level of oversight where ads that look like they involve children are flagged and information is passed to the police.

    Decriminalization would make it easier to prevent exploitation.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Indeed, all the best evidence suggests decriminalisation is the best option all round. Those who chose employment as sex workers would be able to gain legal protections, governments would get extra tax revenues, and law enforcement could focus its resources on those who were genuinely trafficked (the sex work industry has a highly advanced grapevine; And it'd be in the best moral *and* financial interests of the legal workers to report it)
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  29. AnonyVix Member

    Here's the problem, don't warn her and the daft bat gets sucked in then the cult has a new high produce source of income. If it were just a matter of caring, well actually I do care but it's more than that, it's about starving the cult of recruits.
  30. acepi86 Member

    It should be
  31. Anonymous Member

    The cops are the last people I would want to be telling about underage children selling sex.


    Even if there were a few good cops in NYC, I don't think the cops really do anything when it comes to fighting CP or sex trafficking.

    It is the now role of Anonymous to publically expose pedophiles. The law enforcers don't enforce.
  32. muldrake Member

    Then enjoy your pathetic future in which nothing except communication sanctioned by the government or a large corporation can get a large audience. Because you're basically suggesting shutting down the Internet and all non-government-controlled media.

    If people can talk to each other freely, some of them are going to be pimps, be saying disgusting things you hate or making fraudulent claims. By your argument, this site itself should be shut down because Scientologists find it to be hate speech committed by evil liars. In your world, only the rich would have the legal right to speak, because only they could hire lawyers to defend themselves.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    Andrew Shepherd for President. ;)
  34. Old thread, new info:

    Backpage pimping raid: Arrest warrants issued for former New Times owners

    Staff and wire reports
    9:16 p.m. MST October 6, 2016

    Former Phoenix New Times owners Michael Lacey and James Larkin have been charged in California with conspiracy to commit pimping in connection with their controlling interest in the Backpage adult classified ad portal, and warrants have been issued for their arrests.
    State agents in Texas, meanwhile, raided the Dallas headquarters of Backpage and arrested Chief Executive Officer Carl Ferrer following allegations that adult and child sex-trafficking victims had been forced into prostitution through escort ads posted on the site.
    Ferrer, 55, was arrested on a California warrant after arriving at Houston’s Bush Intercontinental Airport on a flight from Amsterdam, said Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. In a statement, Paxton said agents from his Law Enforcement Unit participated in a search of Backpage headquarters and Ferrer’s arrest.
    Lacey and Larkin could not be reached for comment Thursday. A representative of the California attorney general's office said only that the two were "not yet in custody" late Thursday. Local law enforcement agencies could not immediately confirm whether they planned to pursue any arrests.
    Under California’s law, felony pimping is defined as making money off prostitutes or soliciting customers for prostitution.
    “Making money off the backs of innocent human beings by allowing them to be exploited for modern-day slavery is not acceptable in Texas. I intend to use every resource my office has to make sure those who profit from the exploitation and trafficking of persons are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law,” Paxton, a Republican, said in a statement.
    California Attorney General Kamala Harris said Ferrer was arrested on felony charges of pimping a minor, pimping, and conspiracy to commit pimping. He is being held in lieu of $500,000 bond and will face an extradition hearing before he can be returned to California.
    Harris said in a statement that the site’s ads for “escort services” essentially make it an online brothel that generates millions of dollars from the illegal sex trade.
    “Raking in millions of dollars from the trafficking and exploitation of vulnerable victims is outrageous, despicable and illegal,” said Harris, a Democrat who is running for the U.S. Senate in next month’s election. “Backpage and its executives purposefully and unlawfully designed Backpage to be the world’s top online brothel.”
    An attorney representing Backpage, Liz McDougall, did not immediately respond to a telephone message left by the Associated Press.
    The site advertises a wide range of services, but the California arrest warrant alleges that internal business records show that 99 percent its revenue came from its adult services section between January 2013 and March 2015. California officials said the site collects fees from users who use coded language and nearly nude photos to offer sex for money.
    The site operates in hundreds of cities worldwide, authorities said, including more than 30 in California. It collected $2.5 million per month just from California, or more than $51 million during the 29 months covered by the internal revenue reports.
    Authorities said the state’s three-year investigation found many of the ads include victims of sex trafficking including children under the age of 18.
    The department said the investigation was prompted in part by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which reported 2,900 instances to California authorities since 2012 when suspected child sex trafficking occurred via Backpage.
    State agents posted escort ads online and met with those who posted to confirm that the communications were to arrange for commercial sex.
    Backpage has been the subject of recent Senate hearings into its classified ads, which often promote escort services. Last month, the Supreme Court refused to block a Senate subpoena seeking information on how Backpage screens ads for possible sex trafficking.
    Lacey and Larkin originally built a small empire of alternative newspapers across the country. In 1977, the two bought out the other owners of the Phoenix New Times and began it anew with Lacey as editor and Larkin as publisher. In 1983, they acquiredWestword in Denver, and over the next 15 years, added papers in Miami, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco and Los Angeles. In 2005, they bought the parent company of the venerable Village Voice in New York.
    Lacey and Larkin were also the subjects of a late-night raid and arrest in 2007 in what was widely viewed as a politically motivated arrest by Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s deputiesafter the New Times published details of a grand-jury matter. They sued and received a $3.75 million settlement from Maricopa County in 2013, and donated $2 million of that to Arizona State University’s Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication.
    In September 2012, Lacey and co-owner Larkin agreed to sell their newspaper company to a newly created company owned by a group of the papers' editors and publishers.
    The men retained their interest in Backpage, a site they had founded in 2004.
    Dominique Roe-Sepowitz, an associate professor at Arizona State University, has tracked ads on the Backpage website and, working with law enforcement, has confirmed that underage girls were being advertised. She said that the overwhelming number of the 200 confirmed ads featuring girls she found were from Backpage.
    She said during a phone interview on Thursday night that "finding the Web-based platform for the trafficking of human beings responsible for that trafficking is an important step for us to stop this problem."
    Roe-Sepowitz, the director of the university's office of sex-trafficking intervention research, said the website used mechanisms that purported to ensure that women in the ads were over 18. For example, she said, people creating ads could not choose to display an age under 18.
    "But the mechanisms they put in to protect themselves were incredibly permeable," she said.
    Roe-Sepowitz said that three years ago, she and a Phoenix Police Department commander met with an attorney for Backpage and suggested changes that could ensure underage women were not being advertised, but to no avail.
    Kathleen Winn, the co-chair of the Arizona Anti-Trafficking Network, said she became involved in the issue in 2011 while working in the community-outreach office of the Arizona Attorney General’s Office.
    Winn said a group of activists led by Cindy McCain, wife of U.S. Sen. John McCain, succeeded in changing Arizona law in 2014 to crack down on online advertising of girls for sex, a law she said was targeted at Backpage.
    Winn said it was telling that the two men sold New Times, the journalism enterprise that started their business, but kept Backpage.
    “They were never going to give up that cash cow,” she said. “It was too profitable.”
    The Associated Press and reporters Richard Ruelas and Lindsey Collom of The Arizona Republic contributed to this article.
  35. DeathHamster Member

    A website with solicitation ads, how quaint.

    Surely there's an app for that now: UberSex, AirT&A or something?
  36. More news:

    Former Village Voice owners arrested on pimping charges

    By Keith J. Kelly
    October 11, 2016 | 11:12pm

    Michael Lacey and James Larkin — the one-time Village Voice owners who are the controlling shareholders behind the sleazy site — have been arrested in California on felony charges of conspiracy to commit pimping.

    Prosecutors charge they enriched themselves by allowing ads to run in the digital classified directory that they knew were used solely for the purposes of prostitutes to hook up with customers for sex.

    They are being held in a Sacramento jail pending arraignment on Wednesday.

    The CEO of the site, Carl Ferrer, was arrested in Houston on Oct. 6 after getting off a plane from Amsterdam.

    He, too, was named in a 10-count criminal complaint for pimping a minor, as well as the more serious charge of unlawfully pimping a girl whom he knew to be under 16 years of age.

    Larkin and Lacey face a maximum of six years in prison if convicted. Ferrer faces more than 21 years.

    Elizabeth MacDougall, who has represented Backpage in the past, had argued the classified ads on the sleazy site never specifically mentioned sex and are therefore a form of free speech.

    Prosecutors charge that the Web site was used as a hook-up site by prostitutes — some as young as 13 years old.

    The site has been the subject of Senate hearings and had drawn heat from attorneys general in several states.

    Lacey and Larkin had started New Times, an alternative weekly in Phoenix that eventually expanded into a nationwide chain.

    In 2005, it capped the expansion with the purchase of the Village Voice, one of the oldest and most well-known of the alternative weeklies.

    Facing heat from prosecutors and Congress, they sold the newspapers to an investment group — but hung onto the adult classified business.

    California investigators said the site registered sales of more than $2 million a month in California alone and had total revenues of more than $150 annually.
  37. Pretty disgusting. How this relates to TO, I don't understand.
    He worked for the VV. Lot's of people read it in NY, I did.

    He exposed Bruce who fucked and married his daughter, earning him a lot of shit

    Bruce McMahan married his daughter.

    See nothing other than shit linkage, TO seems just fine, thanks,
  38. Sidenote> Kinda crazzy that this line of thinking still has posters commenting here. Thought that shit was done. You seriously think anonymous hasn't looked into TO? Stupid fuck. Let me word clear, it has happened an though you may hate him, he is not the fuck you are suggesting.
  39. Luzy to remember that some don't recall that more than anything, anon hates pedos.
    More lulzy is that some forget the looking that goes into everyone
    The fact that some still stand should say something. Unless you have dox, or are dumb.

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