VICE - North Korean Film Madness documentary

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Wrong Guy, Oct 6, 2012.

  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    For anyone with an interest in what life in North Korea is really like these days, these three videos are worth watching.

    North Korean Film Madness (Documentary)

    Published on Oct 5, 2012 by vice

    We went to North Korea to try and penetrate the Korean Feature Film Studio, the state-run film production facility west of Pyongyang: a sprawling lot that at its height produced around 40 films a year.

    You could say that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il has two primary obsessions: maintaining nuclear weapons capability as a means of protecting his "hermit kingdom," and thwarting pressure from outside forces like America and the rest of the industrialized world to open his country to modern things like electricity... and he's obsessed with film.

    He loves movies. It's rumored that he has one of the largest private film collections in the world. His favorite film is Gone with the Wind and his favorite actress is Elizabeth Taylor. He's a film collector and bona fide cinephile, but he's much more. He's everything really. He's a director, a producer, a financier, a costume maker, set designer, screenwriter, cameraman, sound engineer... and he's also a film theorist. His masterwork on aesthetics and practice is "On the Art of Cinema" (written and published in the early 1970s). In it he gives himself the humble title, "Genius of the Cinema."

    He built an extensive film studio in Pyongyang and when he couldn't find someone to make his film, he did what any self-respecting eternal leader and great president would do: he kidnapped one.

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  2. Anonymous Member

    Very interesting.

    David Miscavige has definitely been reading from the Kim Jong Il textbook.

    Only Miscavige is of course smaller than your average North Korean.

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  3. Anonymous Member

    Absolutely fascinating.
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  4. The Wrong Guy Member

    The missing brothers of Kim Jong-un

    Kim Jong-un is portrayed in North Korea's official state media as a leader without comparison, blessed with a supreme bloodline, flanked by a supportive wife and endowed with the "brilliant" ability to revamp the economy, command an army and guide the space program.

    But one thing is notably absent from these descriptions: any mention of his two brothers, both of whom were once rumored to be heirs to the family-run empire.

    As Kim prepares for his nationally celebrated birthday on Tuesday, thought to be his 30th, his brothers are far away from the state-sanctioned spotlight, one living in secrecy in North Korea, the other apparently moving between China and Singapore.

    Their absence, North Korea watchers say, is integral to the personality cult that emphasizes Kim Jong-un's unique suitability to run the nuclear-armed nation. In state propaganda, Kim Jong-un is depicted as an only son, his inheritance predetermined and uncontested.


    Even before Kim Jong-il died 13 months ago, Kim Jong-un's brothers led secretive lives - particularly Jong-chul, who has been photographed only a few times and has never spoken publicly. But after Kim Jong-un ascended to power, both brothers withdrew almost entirely from public view, though experts emphasise that it's unclear whether they are acting under orders.

    Jong-chul, who is thought to live in North Korea, was last seen in public at a 2011 Eric Clapton concert in Singapore.

    As for Jong-nam, he once led a lavish but secluded lifestyle in Macau, Asia's gambling capital, where he wore European designer brands and gave occasional doorstep interviews to Japanese and South Korean media. But he hasn't spoken to the press since January 2012, when he criticised North Korea's hereditary power transfer and predicted trouble ahead for his half-brother. Yoji Gomi, a Japanese journalist, said Jong-nam also cut off contact with him after exchanging emails for several years.

    In October, a man claiming to be a North Korean agent said he had been ordered to kill or injure Kim Jong-nam by staging a car accident in China. The allegation came after the man was arrested in South Korea for unrelated activities - he said he had been sent there to monitor defector groups. The man, whose name was not given in court documents, said his orders to harm Kim Jong-nam came from North Korea's state security agency in 2010, the year Kim Jong--un was officially anointed as successor. The plan unraveled, court documents said, because the agent said he couldn't track down Jong-nam in China.

    Little is known about the true relationships between Kim Jong-un and his brothers. Kim Jong-il's seven children - born to one official wife and a series of mistresses - were raised in separate households across the country. A former Kim family sushi chef, Kenji Fujimoto, said last month in Tokyo that Jong-nam and Jong-un have never even met.

    Jong-nam - Kim Jong-il's child from an illicit relationship with an actress - was raised in near-isolation, according to the memoir of an aunt who helped raise the boy and later defected.

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  5. Anonymous Member

    something screwy about the dates here. JK Il died 2011.
  6. Anonymous Member

    I mean KJ Il.

    Unless he's the Harry Potter one. ;)
  7. Anonymous Member

    Yeah, it's interesting how the "North Koreans are mad", yet you don't hear any verified reports of their military killing children in foreign countries, like certain Western countries do. The evidence would suggest that, despite their posturing, etc., they are, in fact, harmless. Their internal matters are their own business.

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  9. Anonymous Member

    It's like Zeitgeist translated into Best Korean.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    I hope you soon move to a country where "internal matters are their own business". I will make sure not to say anything when you get sent to a slave labor/torture camp, because you know, that country isn't killing children outside its borders, so it'll be completely OK for them to pull out your fingernails etc.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    Your US-cult indoctrination is showing. How's that "land of the free" thing working out for ya, btw?

    Also: no way you watched it... but nice try at poisoning the community against it.
  12. Anonymous Member

    LOL like you're doing so much for other nations besides bombing them back to the stone age.

    You're saying DPRK has slave labor/torture camps? DOX or STFU.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    Based on that evidence, the US should go ahead and bomb them back to the stone age. You have my blessing.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Please take your meds. You'll feel better.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Why? Wasn't that what you wanted to hear?
  17. Anonymous Member

    DPRK is bad, therefore we shouldn't even comment about what the US does. I get it now.
  18. Anonymous Member

    If the topic is North Korea, then going on about US problems would be off topic.
  19. Anonymous Member

    Pointing fingers at DPRK is a good distraction, I agree.
  20. Anonymous Member

    ^What a silly dispute
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  22. Anonymous Member

    Completely true- US kills civilians. Completely true North Korea- kills civilians. Go ahead and compare, but you seem to be downplaying the problems in North Korea. Diminishing them with "internal affairs" does not change the facts about North Korea. Lets hear from you on that again after you look at dox. Don't ignore your ignorance.
  23. Anonymous Member

    You have a flea up your ass about the US, go start an anti US thread and stop shitposting every other thread with your anti US thoughts.

    Time and place dude........time and place
  24. Anonymous Member

    I agree.

    Anon has a point about America's gunboat diplomacy.

    A thread about American foreign policy mistakes of the past 50 years would be a long thread.

    But that doesn't mean that we're not allowed to discuss anything else without appending "of course, America is worse".

    So Anon, how about you start a thread about American foreign policy mistakes, and discuss them there?

    And let us discuss other topics without shoe-horning in the evils of US foreign policy.

    Then all can be happy.
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  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    Google Earth Is Key To Revealing North Korea's Prison Camp System, Activists Say

    By Drew Guarini | The Huffington Post

    As Irish outlet RTE News reports, many believe that Google Earth is invaluable in revealing evidence of North Korea's system of prison and labor camps, which are said to number in the dozens.

    Human rights groups estimate that upwards of 250,000 political prisoners suffer through starvation and intense manual labor in these camps, with blogs like One Free Korea compiling everything we know about these locations. Managed by Washington lawyer and North Korea activist Joshua Stanton, the blog details six prison camps -- three of which Stanton uncovered. One of these camps is Camp 22, which can be seen on Google Maps below.



    The satellite images provide an idea of what the camps look like from above, though the atrocities allegedly committed there are hard for the imagination to comprehend. The blog notes that upwards of 50,000 men, women and children are housed in Camp 22, a place where prisoners are forced to stone each other to death, women are frequently raped by prison guards and between 1,500 and 2,000 people -- many of them children -- die from malnutrition or starvation every year.

    Many families are forced into these camps because they are &quot;guilty by association&quot;, with some seeing three generations of their lineage live and die within the walls, most of them punished for a crime committed long ago.

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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Amnesty: North Korea extending prison camps - Channel 4 News

    New satellite images show North Korea is extending the size of its prison camps and mistreating its own people on a massive scale under Kim Jong-un, a new report by Amnesty claims.

    By Ken Clarke

    New satellite images show the North Korean government is expanding the perimeters of prison camps north of the capital Pyongyang and blurring the lines between the camps and the surrounding population there, Amnesty International claimed.
    The new images add to the body of evidence of North Korea’s extensive prison camp system, which the government continues to deny the existence of.

    Amnesty made a new call for UN member states to establish an independent commission of inquiry into the grave, systematic and widespread human rights violations in North Korea, including crimes against humanity.

    Responding to reports of the possible construction of a new political prison camp, Kwan-li-so, adjacent to Camp No. 14 in Kaechon, South Pyongan Province, Amnesty commissioned satellite imagery and analysis of the area.

    Analysts found that between 2006 and 2013, North Korea has constructed a new 20km perimeter around the Ch’oma-Bong valley, located 70km north of Pyongyang.

    More guard towers

    The new perimeter includes civilian villages and encloses inhabitants within it.

    The satellite images also show the construction of newly established controlled access points and a number of probable guard towers.

    Analysts also identified the construction of new buildings that appear to house workers, likely to be associated with an expansion of mining activity in the region. A new report which includes the analysts' findings to accompany the publication of the images is available on request.

    The activity points to a tightening in the control of movement of the local population, which likely muddies the line between those detained in the political prison camp and the valley’s inhabitants.

    'Even more worrisome'

    Frank Jannuzi, Amnesty USA’s deputy executive director, said: "We expected to find a new prison camp. What we found is in some ways even more worrisome.

    "The creation of a security perimeter with controlled access points and guard towers beyond what appears to be the formal boundaries of Camp 14 blurs the line between more than 100,000 people who suffer in North Korea’s Kwan-li-so system and the neighbouring civilian population."

    Amnesty claims hundreds of thousands of people, including children, are held in political prison camps and other detention facilities in North Korea, where they are subject to human rights violations such as forced hard labour, being denied food as a form of punishment, torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment as well as summary executions.

    Rajiv Narayan, North Korea researcher for Amnesty International, said: "The security and control adjacent to Camp 14 shows the degree to which general repression and restrictions on the right to liberty of movement have become commonplace in North Korea.

    "These latest images reinforce why it is imperative a robust independent commission of inquiry is established to investigate the grave and systematic human rights abuses that continue under North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s rule."

    Amnesty calls for access

    Amnesty International is calling for unfettered access to the area for human rights observers, to include both the Ch’oma-bong valley as well as Camp No. 14, and for North Korea to officially acknowledge that political prison camps such as Camp 15 in Yodok and Camp 14 in Kaechon exist.

    In 2011, Amnesty International published analysis of satellite imagery that showed the expansion of the notorious Yodok political prison camp, believed to house 50,000 men, women, and children.

    According to former detainees at the political prison camp at Yodok, prisoners are forced to work in slave-like conditions and are frequently subjected to torture and other ill-treatment.

    Despite overwhelming evidence, the North Korean government continues to deny the camps exist.

    Amnesty is calling on UN member states to adopt a resolution at the 22nd session of the UN Human Rights Council currently underway, to establish an independent Commission of Inquiry into the abysmal conditions and the general human rights situation in North Korea, described by the UN as being in "its own category."

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  29. Sekee Member

    According to the Daily Mail (not the best source I admit) there’s a famine in NK too.

  30. The Wrong Guy Member

    North Korea says will sever hot line with Seoul, nullify non-aggression pacts

    2013/03/08 11:00 KST

    North Korea said Friday that it will sever its emergency hot line with Seoul and nullify non-aggression agreements between the two countries, amid escalating tensions over the North's nuclear test last month.

    "The DPRK abrogates all agreements on nonaggressions reached between the North and the South," the North's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea (CPRK), a propaganda organ against the South, said in an English statement carried by the North's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA). "The DPRK will close the Panmunjom liaison channel between the North and the South."

    The DPRK is short for the country's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

    Referring to the decision to discontinue the hot-line link, it said, "This channel can no longer perform its mission due to the prevailing grave situation," adding, "It will immediately cut off the North-South hot line."

    The hot line installed in the truce village separating the two countries had been suspended for nearly 10 months from 2008-09 due to rising tensions over human rights issues in the North.

    The latest statement came hours after the United Nations unanimously adopted a resolution to punish the communist country for its internationally condemned underground nuclear test on Feb. 12.

    It also came after the country's repeated threats to wage a nuclear war against the U.S. and the South in reaction to what the country said were the two allies' on-going joint war exercises to invade the communist country as well as the U.N.'s punitive moves, which the North said were led by Seoul and Washington.

    "The frantic Key Resolve and Foal Eagle joint military exercises being staged by the South Korean warmongers together with the U.S. in the land, air and seas of South Korea ... are open acts of aggression against the DPRK and a vivid expression of wanton violation of all the agreements on nonaggression reached between the North and the South," the statement said.

    The two-month field training exercise Foal Eagle kicked off last week and computer-simulated drills known as Key Resolve will be held from March 11-21. The South has said the joint war drills are only defensive in nature.

    Accusing the South and the U.S. of escalating tensions with the North and igniting a war against the country, the statement said, "The frozen North-South relations have gone beyond such the danger line that they are no longer repairable and an extremely dangerous situation is prevailing on the Korean Peninsula, where a nuclear war may break out right now.

    "The DPRK officially declares that from the moment the Korean Armistice Agreement is made totally invalid on March 11 all the agreements (on non-aggression) will be completely nullified," referring to the truce pact that ended the 1950-53 Korean War.

    The two Koreas are still technically in a state of war because no peace agreement was signed.

    The statement also refers to the joint declaration forged in 1991 between the South and the North not to pursue aggressive acts on the peninsula.

    Repeating its previous threats, the country again pledged to put an end to denuclearization efforts.

    From now on, no one is allowed to utter such words as the DPRK's "dismantlement of nukes" and "no use of nuclear weapons," according to the statement.

    The U.N. Security Council, meanwhile, unanimously adopted Resolution 2094 on Thursday that aims to further toughen punitive measures from Resolution 2087 adopted in January in response to the North's December long-range rocket launch.

    In defiance of the international community's warning and ban, the North launched the long-range rocket on Dec. 12, which the country said aimed to put a satellite into orbit. The outside world, however, suspected the launch was a cover for the country's test of long-range missile technology.

    Further escalating international tensions and resentment, the country detonated an underground nuclear device on Feb. 12, spurring the outside world to slap more penalties and harsher measures on Pyongyang if it continues to defy the wishes of the international community.


    So far, the Yonhap News Agency is the best source I've found for updates on all this.
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  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    ‘North Korean’ propaganda video shows dystopian America | The Sun

    By Jack Losh

    A PROPAGANGA video apparently made by North Korea claims US citizens live off SNOW and have eaten the country's entire population of BIRDS.

    The bizarre film shows a dystopian American society where the streets are piled with body-bags and filled with homeless drug addicts.

    Most people are forced to live in tents and “buy guns to kill each other, especially children”, according to the video.

    It even shows North Koreans coming to the aid of hapless Americans, with the regime’s camera crew doling out cakes, blankets and “North Korean coffee”.

    But some internet users branded the video a hoax. It’s unclear if the voiceover’s translation is accurate and whether the video, which surfaced on Chinese website Ifeng, did in fact originate in North Korea.

    Source, and the video:
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    Panorama: North Korea Undercover – TV review | The Guardian

    How much does BBC reporter John Sweeney discover from inside the secretive state that isn't already known?

    By Sam Wollaston, April 15, 2013

    'Journalists are all but banned from North Korea, so I'm going in undercover," says John Sweeney. I think he quite likes saying that. He is of course with a group of LSE students on a study trip, pretending to be a history teacher. He looks the part too. Don't forget they don't really have the internet in North Korea, so they won't have seen his famous Scientology rant on YouTube.

    "I'm glad to meet you here in Pyongyang," says guide number one, from the front of the tour bus. Glad to meet you too sir. And you madam, guide number two.

    I worry for both of them now – are they in the gulag?

    Sweeney does some undercover reporting from the toilets of the hotel. There are no lights, and it smells. And outside there's a building site, they're building a bank, "night and day, day and night" says Sweeney. That wasn't in the brochure.

    In the main square above kids on rollerblades, portraits of Lenin and Marx have gone, it's more accurate to look at North Korea as a far right state, an analyst says. And on to the mausoleum where Kim il-sung isn't looking his best – pasty and blotchy, well he has been dead since 1994, though he still pretty much leads the country. His son, Kim Jong-il, dead for a little over a year, looks a little fresher. The undercover reporting is getting better. And continues to do so.

    Back on the bus, Sweeney looks out of the window, at poverty and greyness, at anti-aircraft guns, and military convoys going the other way. They visit a bottling factory where no bottling is going on. At a collective farm there are no crops, or animals, just propaganda blaring out from speakers all day long.

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  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    The Story Of An Incredible Escape From North Korea

    A total stranger helped Hyeonseo Lee pay her mother and brother's way out of jail as they fled from North Korea. Now, four years later, Lee has been reunited with that stranger, getting the chance to thank him in person.

    In Lee's heart-wrenching TED2013 talk, "My escape from North Korea," she describes defecting from North Korea in the late '90s. But as she describes in the second half of her talk, after years of hiding she returned to China to help her family make their own escape. When her mother and brother were captured in Vientiane, Laos, and jailed for illegal border crossing, Lee describes how, out of money and desperate for a solution, she was approached by a foreigner. After hearing Lee's story, this stranger withdrew a large sum of cash -- £645 to be exact -- from an ATM. With the money to use as a bribe, Lee's family was able to escape.

    When Lee asked the stranger why he was helping her, he replied, "I'm not helping you. I'm helping the North Korean people." As Lee says in an emotional moment in her talk, "The kind stranger symbolized new hope for me and the North Korean people when we needed it most."

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  35. Anonymous Member

    The US has every moral, legal, and justifiable reason to bomb the fuck out them. The son of bitches attacked the USS Pueblo in international waters killing one of the sailors. It then kidnapped the remaining 80+ sailors and held them for ransom for nearly a year. The regime then moved the stolen ship from Wonsan to, I think, Pyongyang(or whatever the fuck it) and made a museum to American imperialism out of the stolen ship.

    At times, they hold high level conferences on our ship. I think we should wait until one of the conferences, and lob 10, or 20 cruise missiles at the thieving son of a bitches on board.

    Four months after the Pueblo incident ended, the cocksuckers shoot down and EC-121 in international airspace killing all the airmen on board.

    These criminal son of a bitches have never had to pay for any of their illegalities. The duplicitous motherfuckers never signed a peace treaty in '53, so we have every legal right to reopen operations on the peninsula and put an end to this maniacal, criminal regime.

    They have also regularly kidnapped citizens of our allies(South Korea, Japan), and a couple of years ago, attacked an ally(South Korea) with an artillery barrage that killed civilian and ROK soldiers as well.

    So yeah, I say let's free the shit out 'em
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  37. Budd Member

    - Interesting that at 2:43 and 3:30 the lettering on the side of the coffee-from-snow truck and the Dell advertisement ARE NOT EVEN IN ENGLISH.
    - And the telephones at 3:45... I've never seen anything like them, anywhere.
    - Isn't the logo at 4:40 from Valspar grocery, or is it International Paper Company?
    - Handouts from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? Oh, thank you dear Leader.

    It is to laugh. :D
  38. The Wrong Guy Member

    Panama says finds weapons on North Korean ship coming from Cuba | Reuters

    Panama seized a North Korean cargo ship it suspects was hiding missile equipment in a shipment of brown sugar from Cuba, after a standoff in which the ship's captain tried to slit his own throat.

    The ship was stopped last week as it headed into the Panama Canal and authorities arrested the crew on Monday after finding undeclared missile-shaped objects - a potential violation of U.N. sanctions linked to North Korea's nuclear program.

    "We found containers which presumably contain sophisticated missile equipment. That is not allowed. The Panama canal is a canal of peace, not war," Panama's President Ricardo Martinelli told local radio on Tuesday.

    A photo posted on Martinelli's Twitter page showed a long, green missile-shaped object with a tapering, conical end inside the ship, which he said was bound for North Korea.

    A security expert said pictures showed radar systems for Vietnam-era, Soviet-made surface-to-air missiles.

    The U.S. State Department praised Panama's decision to raid the ship, which it said had a history of involvement in drug smuggling, and warned the vessel would be violating United Nations Security Council resolutions by shipping arms.

    The United Nations has imposed a raft of sanctions on North Korea, including strict regulations on arms shipments, for flouting measures aimed at curbing its nuclear weapons program.

    Panama's security minister, Jose Raul Mulino, said his government had stopped the ship last Wednesday and had so far found two containers of military equipment.

    He did not specify whether the cargo contained actual missiles but said the search could last up to a week.

    When Panamanian officials began looking inside containers stuffed with over 250,000 100-kilogram (220-pound) bags of brown sugar, the captain became violent, Mulino said.

    The captain, a North Korean citizen like the crew, tried to slit his throat with a knife, a police official said. The man was in hospital in stable condition, the official added, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    Ben Rhode, a North Korea security expert at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, suggested the captain's suicide attempt might have been an effort to escape severe punishment by officials in North Korea for failing to carry out his mission.

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    Panama's Security Minister said on Wednesday the Central American country had asked the United Nations to advise on how to proceed in the case of the North Korean ship caught smuggling arms from Cuba through its canal.

    Jose Raul Mulino said he expects Panama to hand over the ship and its contents to the United Nations, noting that Panamanian officials had discovered two more containers with suspected arms, adding to the two already found.
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