US Army catches Scientology ‘detox’ study FOIA request reveals

Discussion in 'US Army FOIA Scientology' started by KittyKatSpanker, Sep 11, 2015.

  1. BigBeard Member

    That would make for an interesting narCONon picket sign. Or at an org that offers the "Purif".

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  2. AnonLover Member

    Some more misc. FOIA dox came in on the following request where I asked for two things: requests for additional funding or time extensions, and the tier-1 peer review feedback that went into the decision to award the original grant.

    The first thing yielded the following two requests for a time extension with no additional costs, the second thing was rejected due to privacy regulations (and outcome I fully expected but figured it couldn't hurt to try)

    Jan 2014:

    Dec 2014:

    Next up, I'll be filing on the progress reports for 2015 that pick up where my first batch of dox leaves off, so that we have the full project record through the end of the year.
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  3. My favorite quote from the newest movie out is from The Saint starring Val Kilmer is "mumbo jumbo" I forget if the period goes before the end paranthseis, so I left out it out.
  4. Aurora Member

    Caught this article on BBC today:

    What do you wanna bet that the clams start trying to push this project in the UK.
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    Along with completely distorting the status of the project in the US.
  6. AnonLover Member

    Oh snap! Too many projects, too little time. There has been a short chunk of news releases since late December that need sorted for potential scilon infiltration.

    Brb. Reading...
  7. AnonLover Member

    Dec24: CDMRP Research Funding for 2016
    They were a tad late getting the above basic announcement for ALL grant programs out for the new year. And it appears the "comprehensive" announcement for each grant program in the big long list (see link) are still in the works. So far, we just have details on this one...

    Jan12: Department of Defense Peer Reviewed Medical Research Program Funding Opportunities for Fiscal Year 2016

    My scilon concern with ^^This program is Carpenter still needs to get his collected blood samples tested to prove that overdosing on niacin does exactly what niacin is known to do - reduce lipids. Which has absolutely no known connection to GWI, chemical exposure, drug addiction, or any of the other things Scientology claims it fixes when it oozes from a person's skin due to massive overdosing. But blood tests would be easy to get "peer reviewed" without raising questions about the crazy practices that go into the full purification/detox process.

    Fortunately, the CMDRP limits this grant program to 39 specific ailments that do not include GWI. None of which look exploitable:
    The full details on the other two programs of concern (substance abuse and GWI) should be coming out soon.
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  8. AnonLover Member

    NEW FOIA Request filed today:

    Additional GWIRP Progress Reports for Hubbard Detoxification Therapy (Scientology Purification)
    Item #1 was mysteriously missing from my initial CMDRP dox dump. However, the agency was extremely open and forthcoming with the disclosure so I'm of the speculative opinion the reason it was missing wasn't the gubmint being secretive. But rather, Dr. Carpenter failing to file it since during that particular calendar year he was on a copypasta failtard spree of submitting half-assed reports that didn't change the current date and time period details on the cover page. But I'd rather not speculate when it comes to this toxic scam so I ax'd for it specifically.

    The remaining items were for stuff filed AFTER my initial request was received and processing began. So those are just normal bureaucracy-moves-slow follow-up issues.

    The last item is probably the one of most interest as it should confirm the program is officially over, closed and done4good.
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  9. AnonLover Member

    60 days later, and I got status updates today indicating they're close to releasing the next batch of dox on this:

    They've located 4 out of 5 of the reports I requested. The only one missing is the backdated item that was also missing from my initial request, which I suspect was never filed but wanted to make sure just in case.
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  10. BigBeard Member

    Nice! And now they've passed the their FOIA reforms, hopefully both sides get a joint bill put together and on the President's desk ASAP to make tracking this kind of stuff down even easier. Great job!
  11. AnonLover Member

    Bumpity! The second batch of dox came in, but there was no major bombshells just more of the same schtick we see in the first batch. The Muckrock link upstream ITT is temporarily hidden behind an embargo as I (finally) write up my takedown of this bogus study. More coming on this front soonly, probably before the holiday weekend is over or shortly thereafter.

    Meanwhile, here's another loose end I decided to chase down on the Uni of Albany side of things:

    SUNY Albany IRB Files on Gulf War Illness Detoxification Program

    Related dirt previously uncovered:

    Sidenote query: i sees no difference in ^^these two documents. do u?

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  14. AnonLover Member

    The most recent 2016 funding announcement was for the HUGE Autism research program on March 11. But they still haven't disclose how the $20mil for Gulf War Illness Research is being dolled out for the current year. This worries me a tad. So I tried to raise an answer on ETA on that announcement here :
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  15. AnonLover Member

    CDMRP's next wave of Gulf War Illness Grants finally announced on April 1, 2016.

    FY15 Award Applications Recommended for Funding
    So it's confirmed - NONE of these grants were awarded to Dr. David O. Carpenter or any of his known colleagues/collaborators and their related facilities for going into the next phase of a clinical trial on the Hubbard Detoxification study.

    However, since the initial clinical trial phase concluded in December 2015, there's a chance he wasn't able to file an additional study proposal for fiscal year 2015. And it could possible show up under the "Investigator-Initiated Research Expansion Award" category for FY16 proposals. So there's still room for more long term concern here, but ATM Carpenter's GWI work is done.

    Also noteworthy - the "Investigator-Initiated Research Expansion Award" category wasn't clearly defined in the press release announcing the 2015 funding opportunities and was merely listed as "Investigator-Initiated Research Award." So where the hell that came from is something I want to look into. See:
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  16. AnonLover Member

    ETA for a response on the above request noted as by April 27, 2016.

    Moving on, I realized that in all the dox I got the Army to release, nowhere was there any information on the proposed budget and estimated costs that went into calculating the $633,677 that was awarded.

    According to the grant application instructions for that fiscal year:

    Carpenter was required to submit a "Detailed Budget and Justification" form as an attachment to his original proposal. I did not get a copy of this attachment on my first FOIA request, although all the other required attachments were included.

    Additionally, the first of two "No Cost Extensions" he requested (the program is supposed to only allow one extension) included a revised "Detailed Budget and Justification" form as an attachment that I did not receive when they disclosed the letter on my 2nd FOIA Request:

    That same letter also had a revised bio attachment on co-investigator Dr Gayle Morse that I did not get even though the original version was included in the proposal dox I got.

    I have decided I do not like being denied attachments. God dammit.

    Although, I suspect these budget forms are privacy protected, but fuck it I shall try and get 'em cuz the money breakdown would be hella good stuff to know. Especially since the max direct costs allowed on this grant was $450,000 so that means there was a estimated/budgeted $183,677 in indirect costs awarded on top of that max amount.

    Added twist, the Severna Wellness Center quoted a price for $2,000 per testing subject, for an estimated 50 subjects when the study was proposed. But they only got 25-32 subjects, so there's some direct costs that didn't need paid.

    Show me the money gubmint...

    GWIRP FY10 ITEA Detailed Budget and Justification for Hubbard Detoxification Program (Scientology Purification)
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  17. They missed one. The "Clinical Trial Award" was listed on the 2015 press release for GWI funding opportunities. See

    This has been offered every year since 2008, except for 2012. But apparently they don't necessarily award everything they offer.

    Using the awards search here

    Run a search for Research Program = Gulf War Illness; Fiscal Year = All Years; Award Mechanism = Clinical Trial Award

    Search results show the basic Clinical Trial grant has only been awarded 4 times - twice in 2008, once in 2011 and once in 2013.

    But for future reference, if Carpenter tries to get a Phase II study funded by the DOD to continue what he started, the Clinical Trial Award would be a better fit than Investigator-Initiated Research awards.
  18. AnonLover Member

    OK good to know. Thanks!
  19. AnonLover Member

    The 2016 grants that are available for the pre-application proposals under the Gulf War Illness Research Program have been announced. And sadly. there appears to be ample room here for Carpenter to get a Phase II study considered.

    Note the three categories tagged (NEW for FY15!)

    They did not offer the usual Clinical Trial Award, where it was mentioned above that was the most likely opportunity for the Scientology detox study to be continued. But they added three new categories, these two sound like something that could be a good fit for Carpenter:

    Clinical Partnership Award
    • Supports translational research partnerships between clinicians and laboratory scientists to accelerate the movement of promising research hypotheses into clinical applications for Gulf War Illness
    • Maximum funding of $750,000 for direct costs (plus indirect costs)
    Investigator-Initiated Focused Research Award (NEW for FY15!)
    • Supports small-scale, Phase 0, I, I/II clinical trial evaluations of treatments for GWI under two tracks: Data-based track and Symptom-based Treatment track.
    • Maximum funding of $700,000 for direct costs (plus indirect costs)
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  20. Thank you my friend for doing what I can not do. I applaud your dilligence, patience and persistence. (I hope that is spelled right)

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  21. DeathHamster Member

    ^^ fucked up forgery. There was no USS Mist, as I recall. Check Ron the War Zero.
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  22. BigBeard Member

    You're correct there was no 'USS Mist'. Hubbard's first command was a Naval Yard Patrol (YP) vessel, specifically YP-422. YP-422 started life as civilian Motor Vessel (MV) Mist, a fishing trawler commandeered and converted by the Navy due to the shortage of antisubmarine patrol vessels. It would definately NOT be listed as the "USS Mist" on any official paperwork. It would either be shown as "USS YP-422" after being commandeered, or "MV Mist" if referencing it's earlier civilian status.

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  23. DeathHamster Member

    Why is this shit even in this thread?
  24. AnonLover Member

    The CMDRP 2016 brochure on Gulf War Illness Research Programs has been released. Carpenter's study is not one of the many "successful programs" highlighted. There is also many great advancements as far as what they are currently funding that shows how this program has evolved into pursuing cutting edge treatments compared to what they started out with when Carpenter got approved.

    Best of all, the application review and approval process for getting funding shows significant improvements over what appeared in earlier brochures. It appears at a glance that the Army took steps in the past year to eliminate loopholes.

    All told, it's very impressive and when you look at what they are doing now versus when Carpenter's study was new and featured in 2010 brochure and covered upstream ITT. My concerns that Carpenter would finangle a second phase for finishing his detox blood tests are somewhat lessened.
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  25. AnonLover Member

    The 2016 CMDRP GRIWRP program announcements have now been loaded on grants dot gov for the pre-application submission phase. See the Related Documents tab on the links at the end of this post for the full details on each grant. But first, the key dates that define the timeline for tracking purposes:

    • Pre-Application Submission Deadline: 5:00 p.m. Eastern time (ET), July 15, 2016
    • Invitation to Submit an Application: August 2016
    • Application Submission Deadline: 11:59 p.m. ET, October 20, 2016
    • End of Application Verification Period: 5:00 p.m. ET, October 25, 2016
    • Peer Review: December 2016
    • Programmatic Review: February 2017

    CDMRP GWIRP FY2016 funding opportunities

    DoD Gulf War Illness Clinical Partnership Award
    Estimated Total Program Funding: $2,400,000
    Expected Number of Awards: 2

    DoD Gulf War Illness New Investigator Award
    Estimated Total Program Funding: $2,400,000
    Expected Number of Awards: 3

    DoD Gulf War Illness Epidemiology Research Award
    Estimated Total Program Funding: $1,600,000
    Expected Number of Awards: 1

    DoD Gulf War Illness Treatment Evaluation Award
    Estimated Total Program Funding: $4,480,000
    Expected Number of Awards: 4

    DoD Gulf War Illness Investigator-Initiated Focused Research Award
    Estimated Total Program Funding: $7,360,000
    Expected Number of Awards: 11

    Misc. notes - bold red indicates grant opportunities that seem likely candidates for Carpenter to get a phase 2 of the scilon detox program funded. Somebody science-minded needs to read the full requirements in the program announcement documents to confirm possible eligibility. The expected number of awards and funding dollar amounts is amped up a lot higher than past years. However, it's not uncommon for the Army to offer more than one award in a category at this early stage, then at the end of the application/proposal/review processes only one or none are actually awarded. BUT - 4 or more awards in a given category isn't something I recall seeing before, AND notice the last one listed above that is highly relevant to our interest has ELEVENTY!!1!
  26. Why is this not mainstream ?
  27. Do you want an inside in how to programm your American recruits ?

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  28. AnonLover Member

    Hot off the CMDRP grant mailing list as of an hour ago:

    Gulf War Illness Research Program -- Preapplication deadline Friday, July 15, 2016


    The Fiscal Year 2016 (FY16) Defense Appropriations Act provides $20 million to the Gulf War Illness Research Program (GWIRP) administered by the US Army Medical Research and Materiel Command (USAMRMC) through the Office of Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs (CDMRP). The GWIRP has released several mechanisms spanning basic research to clinical trials. This e-mail is to notify the research community of the upcoming deadline for research applications. The pre-application deadline for all funding mechanisms is Friday, July 15, 2016. This is the first step in the application process. Do not miss your opportunity to apply! Full FY16 GWIRP Program Announcements and General Application Instructions can be found on the CDMRP website

    Point of Contact:

    CDMRP Help Desk
  29. DeathHamster Member

    Feck! I missed one of Scientology's detox scams. When I saw it back when, I thought it was just Narconon Gulf Coast, but this was a respawn of the New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project to cash in on the oil spill:

    Category:Gulf Coast Detoxification Program
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  30. Quentinanon Member

    There were two USS Mist vessels, neither of which Hubbard could have commanded because both were long out of commission: A gunboat decommissioned after the U.S. Civil War 1865 A patrol boat decommissioned after WWI 1919

    Hubbard could not have been mixing up "past life recalls" because during the Civil War, he claimed to be Cecil John Rhodes.
    The L. in L. Ron Hubbard really stands for LIAR.
  31. BigBeard Member

    As I noted above, The 'Mist' was a civilian fishing trawler built in 1941. The Navy acquired it n 1942, converting it to a Yard Patrol craft, YP-422, assigned to patrol Boston Harbor. Hubbard commanded YP-422 briefly, 28 July 1942 - 1 October 1942. He was relieved of command on 1 October 1942, with an annotation in his record, "Not tempermentally suited for independent command." Shortly afterwards YP-422 was sent to the Pacific, and was lost in 1943.

    And as DeathHamster noted, the DD214 having it listed as "USS Mist", instead of YP-422, is another indication it's a forgery. Along with the "(palm)" after Purple Heart in the decorations list.

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  33. Quentinanon Member

    So, Hubbard served as commander of a naval yard patrol boat for 2 months after which he was relieved of command. The narcissist Hubbard used the "USS" designation to make it look like he commanded a ship.
  34. DeathHamster Member

    Please take the war record crap elsewhere.
  35. DeathHamster Member

    I saw something elsewhere on the value on conference papers (even ones that are actually presented):

    4) The Experiment Write-Up was just a conference paper
    The paper written by NASA employees about the EM (Cannae) Drive experiments was not a formal signed-off paper, just a conference paper. This type of write-up is common and is just preliminary. It’s basically meant to say to the physics community: “Hey, check this shit out, Cool huh? Whaddya think? Anything we can do to make this better?”.
  36. Maybe Donald Trump could put an end to this.

    If he cared

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