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US Army catches Scientology ‘detox’ study FOIA request reveals

Discussion in 'US Army FOIA Scientology' started by KittyKatSpanker, Sep 11, 2015.

  1. wolfbane Member

    I can set aside a chunk of time to help on this /r/assist angle next weekend. Meanwhile, these might be a useful references to have handy if anybody else jumps on this:

    Recent debunking:
    https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/...-scientology-in-disguise-the-evidence-part-7/
    https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/...is-scientology-in-disguise-the-evidence-pt-8/

    Historical: http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/purif1.html

    (suggest new thread started for each document, now that we have a sweet new subforum for this project)
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  2. AnonLover Member

    Good news and bad news on this front. The bad news is as I feared - they do not publish dollar amounts and abstracts on grant proposals recommended for funding until the CMDRP Commanding General (who's name I still need to find) approves the award for payout.

    The good news is ^^THAT doesn't matter because one proposal in the FY2014 recommendations list has been awarded and it exceeds the max $700k spending limit. So Carpenter's next proposal to finish his work won't be paid until well into 2016. (Assuming he submits one). So it's confirmed - we have a few months to work this fiasco for all it's worth and harpoon it for cockblocking future funding in a BIG way.

    Here's my findings on the FY2014 proposal list that got early IP recommendations.

    Western Institute for Biomedical Research - Ashok Tuteja

    Dr. Tuteja has not yet gotten an award on his FY2014 proposal that was recommended for funding. But he previously received Innovative Treatment Eval funding in 2009 just like Carpenter did for the following program.

    From the 2012 GWIRP Brochure pg7: http://cdmrp.army.mil/gwirp/pbks/gwirppbk2012.pdf
    Also here: http://cdmrp.army.mil/search.aspx?LOG_NO=GW093043
    Umm, hello. GWI vets suffer from IBS, and yet they allowed Carpenter to expose them to the extreme gastrointestinal adverse side effect of Scientology's detox regime!!! Effects that have been described as "toxic shits" and "atomic diarrhea" and "pissing out your ass for days on end" by Narconon rehab staff/patients that complete the same program. WTF! This is an issue for the list of major omissions in the original proposal.


    Beth Israel Medical Center New York - Benjamin Natelson

    No record of Dr. Natelson getting a grant award, past or present.


    Boston University Medical Campus - Rosemary Toomey

    Dr. Toomey's FY 2014 proposal for "D-cycloserine: A Novel Treatment for Gulf War Illness" has been approved for funding: http://cdmrp.army.mil/search.aspx?LOG_NO=GW140069

    She was awarded $739,525.00 and the "Award Number" designates a "15" as the year it's counted towards budget-wise. so with this one approved grant it appears we are already past $700k max spending amount for the Innovative category for 2015 spending. So that's a VERY good thing, Congrats Dr. Toomey!


    New England School of Acupuncture, Inc. - Lisa Conboy

    Dr. Conboy appears to be the Accupuncture rockstar in these Innovative category awards. She has already received a grant award on TWO previous proposals submitted in 2008 and 2013. Both were paid out the following fiscal year (2009 & 2014) No sign of her 2014 proposal being approved yet. But worth noting is that during the time period Carpenter has been struggling to get his trainwreck of a program completed, she has completed two and moved onto her third.

    2008 $1,058,755.25 for Effectiveness of Acupuncture in the Treatment of Gulf War Illness
    http://cdmrp.army.mil/search.aspx?LOG_NO=GW080059

    2013 $395,880.00 for Bench to Bedside: Understanding Symptom Response to Acupuncture Treatment and Designing a Successful Acupuncture Treatment Program
    http://cdmrp.army.mil/search.aspx?LOG_NO=GW130028


    Roskamp Institute - Fiona Crawford

    Dr. Crawford's 2014 proposal has not been approved yet. So it looks like Dr Toomey has gotten all the 2015 moolah. But like others in this list including Carpenter, she submitted a previous proposal in 2008 that was approved for a grant award in 2009. AND she sits on the 2015 IP despite being on the receiving end of the grants they recommend. Dafuq!

    2008 $894,000.00 Identification of Biological Pathways Implicated in Hippocampal Dysfunction and Cognitive Impairment in Gulf War Illness
    http://cdmrp.army.mil/search.aspx?LOG_NO=GW080094
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  3. You need the name of Commanding General, USAMRMC and the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs.According to following page, they are both responsible for approving the recommended awards.

    http://cdmrp.army.mil/about/2tierRevProcess.shtml

    Commanding General, USAMRMC bio
    http://mrmc.amedd.army.mil/index.cfm?pageid=commanding_general
    MG Brian C. Lein
    Commanding General, U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command and Fort Detrick
    and Deputy for Medical Systems to the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology


    Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs AND Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs http://prhome.defense.gov/HA

    Jonathan Woodson, M.D.
    Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs

    http://prhome.defense.gov/leadership/jonathanWoodson.aspx

    Karen S. Guice, M.D., M.P.P.
    Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs

    http://prhome.defense.gov/leadership/karenGuice.aspx

    Good work. 2015 appropriations spent. With several 2014 recommendations leftover for spending the 2016 appropriations without wasting money on cult detox.
  4. Intelligence Member

    All of this stinks so bad it makes me sick, especially after reading what the Gulf War Vets already
    went through and still are in the LINK below. Many Vets suffering from PTSD and other traumas,
    and physical ills that the Government doesn't have a clue about, and/or quite likely won't say.

    Then, they're scammed into the Puif with Toxic doses of NIACIN that can cause even more mental
    and physical ills is, in my opinion, criminal and civil abuse. I have seen so many people doing the
    Purif and having mental breaks and severe physical harm.... The memories hurt.

    Good job AnonLover and ALL of you here. I'm busy for next 2-3 days with a Lawsuit, but will jump
    back here ASAP and read all the posts and links.

    This LINK helped me understand the elements of the combat theater to which these Veterans were subjected. :(

    http://www.publichealth.va.gov/docs/vhi/caring-for-gulf-war-veterans-vhi.pdf
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  5. BigBeard Member

    I'll keep an eye on this one as I can, as a Vet myself this really ticks me off, but right now I'm hip deep in responding to a request for more info on a 13909 complaint I submitted a while back.

    Can't get into details, for obvious reasons, but the "sleeping dragon" may actually be starting to lift an eyelid.

    BigBeard
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  6. FY15 Gulf War Illness Research Program (GWIRP)

    http://cdmrp.army.mil/funding/gwirp.shtml

    Award Mechanism: Innovative Treatment Evaluation Award
    Release Date: May 14, 2015
    Timeline defined in the Program Announcement
    FY2015 Proposals will enter the first stage (Tier 1) of the 2-step review process in January then hit the second stage (Tier 2) in March. Based on the description of the review process steps, I think we should try to fire harpoons in January because of the following aspects of the process outlined here http://cdmrp.army.mil/about/2tierRevProcess.shtml

    Emphasis added for major take-away points.
    Notice the bottleneck point in the funding management cycle (Tier 2 Programmatic Review) that we want to target is NOT just the Integration Panel (IP) group. The IP group is just one possible factor in the "external advisory panel"

    Also notice that if our harpoons to block additional funding succeed, Carpenter will be able to appeal the decision(s) to the IRP.

    This information implies we need to cast a wide net over the bottleneck point to effectively counter future funding.

    AL, you might want to reconsider the addressees listed on the open letter and replace IP names with the external advisory panel names. If we can find out who those names are? (Another FOIA followup item?). If we can't find out who is on the advisory panel, then I suggest we just list all the relevant panels/committees listed above (see bold notes).
  7. Never was a soldier, but exploiting traumatized people gets under my skin.
  8. AnonLover Member

    Arrrgh. I didn't get a chance to read and digest that link yet. So I'm not completely following what your saying about expanding the list of addressees and whatnot.

    But January still sounds good as far as timeframe, based on that handy timeline you found.

    Moar later, once I have a chance to catch up.
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  9. AnonLover Member

    You make valid points, but I think you are reading ^^This one shortened quote out of context. Let's take a look at the larger excerpt where it makes that statement.

    From: http://cdmrp.army.mil/about/2tierRevProcess.shtml (Last updated Tuesday November 05 2013)
    I read that 1st bullet point to mean that "Integration Panel" is the GWIRP's official name for the body that serves as the external advisory panel. Where as other currently funded CMDRP programs (see http://cdmrp.army.mil/researchprograms.shtml ) may use the other alternative names for the group of people that act in the role external advisory panel.

    I believe this is further supported on the Frequently Asked Questions page for Consumer Involvement in both tiers of the review process.

    From: http://cdmrp.army.mil/cwg/faq.shtml#4 (Last updated Tuesday May 12 2015)
    While it would be AWESOME if we could target both tiers of the review process with the open letter, unfortunately, that's not possible. The names of peer reviewers in the first step are kept confidential and NOT publicly released until long after the fiscal year is over. (Most recent list available of peer reviewers assigned to GWIRP is for FY2013 and they only list names, pedigrees and institutions. With no disclosure of which proposals those people reviewed.)

    That all said, January is still a good call on timeframe for publishing our formal debunking of Carpenter's original proposal and revised protocol. I'm thinking an open letter summary posted as a petition on change dot org with a link to supporting documentation (whitepaper) . That way we have approximately 90 days to gather signatures in support of a call for no further funding before Carpenter's next proposal hits the programmatic review step.

    Plus the whitepaper can be used as a standalone reference for a press release, writing to congress critters, getting bloggers and veterans groups onboard and other harpooning actions. Also, petitions alone suck to some extent and non-activists who are stupid enough to think criticizing and mocking the cult has an impact without any action taken, will have no fucks given for something on change dot org. But a whitepaper that debunks Carpenter's bullshit - that could potentially give our efforts a set of legs to go somewhere.

    So I'm sticking with addressing the open letter to the IP Panel Members (tier 2 reviewers), the Commanding General & Assistant Secretaries of Defense for HA (thanks for those name btw), and the names of applicable House Subcommittee members that those last three army officials have to answer to. That's a pretty broad net as-is, imo. Yet it is mainly focused on the make-or-break bottleneck POCs in the funding process.

    If we can kill Carpenter's next GWIRP proposal at the 2nd tier review stage, he's dead in the water AND we discredit who ever drops the ball in the scientific review phase and rubber stamps his flawed program that has no scientific basis. If we fail to convince the IP people to not recommend it, then we have a fall back point with the army officials that approve the recommendation and an extra safety net with the congress critters who have nuclear harpoon power to question why it is being considered for more funding.

    On the flipside of that judgement call on who to address the open letter to, the two groups I'm leaving off the target list (the tier 1 peer reviewers and the IRP) need to remain neutral to effectively fulfill their roles in the funding process. So they're not the people I'm looking to elicit outrage and well-informed questions from. Ideally, those two groups should independently come to the same conclusions the people we are targeting come to, once they're all better informed.

    IOW, I want the key decisions makers (IP for having the last word on which programs recommended for funding, CG & HA Secs for approving the recommendations, and the congress critters with a vested interest in making sure the appropriations they budgeted are not wasted on scam programs) pissed off just like we are. I see those folks as the ideal targets for making damn sure they're better informed about exactly what Carpenter's program really is, this time around.

    Unless I'm missing something in that review process description page or you found other factors in this process that I should maybe reconsider? (TBH I am struggling to wrap my brain around all the CDMRP grant processing procedures. This kind of stuff - clinical trials and grant money - is new territory for me.)
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  10. AnonLover Member

    Here's some useful stuff I just found for ^^This effort.

    The official "Program Announcement" from FY2009 that defines the rules and procedures Carpenter's ITEA proposal had to meet originally, and what criteria he was expected to live up to: http://cdmrp.army.mil/funding/pa/09gwirpitea_pa.pdf

    A major flaw I see just from a quick skim of the document is under Funding on page 5 it says: The maximum period of performance is 3 years. The progress report FOIA dox need combed through in this regard, to find the actual start date (after all the delays and roadblocks) so we can calculate whether or not Carpenter failed to do what his proposal promised within the max time period.

    Also, this: http://cdmrp.army.mil/gwirp/highlights.shtml

    Overall, the CMDRP's GWI research program has accomplished some impressive results. And when you compare the successful study highlights on the above link to what the FOIA dox reveal, Carpenter's program is a total fking joke. He's waaaaaaay out his league and his goofy shit needs shutdown just on lack of scientific principle alone.
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  11. AnonLover Member

    Here's one easy piece of debunking lazyfags can halp with - the vitamin and mineral lists from page 35 of Carpenter's proposal:
    Attachment_1_GWI_Protocol_6_10_15_APPLIEDpng_Page35.png

    Two questions -

    1. Can we confirm this is the exact same charts given in the Clear Body, Clear Mind scientology book?

    2. What are the FDA recommended daily allowances for everything listed? (I want to do a new version of these tables showing where vitamin poisoning from overdoses kicks in)

    TIA!
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  12. Anonymous Member

    The tables in Clear Mind Clear Body aren't as neatly laid out.

    Here's the first two encountered:

    Vitamin Table.png
    Mineral Table.png
    Bottom of the Mineral Chart.png

    I'm working with the largest document (82MB) so there is more for me to search out.
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  13. I stand corrected.

    Roger that. Carry on AL. Still subscribing to your newsletter.

    Good find. Here is a better one. I am reading the current Program Announcement for FY2015 grants. You will want to digest this as well when you get a chance.

    http://cdmrp.army.mil/funding/pa/15gwirpitea_pa.pdf
  14. DeathHamster Member

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  15. Quentinanon Member

    The dosages of vitamin E, vitamin A and niacin are excessive at Stage 1. At Stage 2, the dosage of vitamin C is excessive. Hello, state medical licensing boards.
    Scientific references here:
    https://ods.od.nih.gov/Health_Information/Dietary_Reference_Intakes.aspx
    Also, "Vitamin E: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of about 0.67 mg d-alpha-tocopherol, or 0.9 mg of dl-alpha-tocopherol."
    "Vitamin A: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of 0.3 mcg retinol, or of 0.6 mcg beta-carotene"
    http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/units/convert-ui-to-mcg.php

    So, 670 IUs of vitamin E as d-alpha tocopherol per day is a safe upper limit.
    35 mg/day of niacin is a safe upper limit. No reason to go higher unless you are on a regimen to lower cholesterol.
    1800 IUs of vitamin A per day as beta-carotene is a safe upper limit.
    2000 mg/day of vitamin C is a safe upper limit.
    Look what Hubbard prescribed in the charts.
    The "purification rundown" is a medically dangerous program.
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  16. FDA Nutrient Recommendations: Dietary Reference Intakes (DRI)

    https://ods.od.nih.gov/Health_Information/Dietary_Reference_Intakes.aspx

    DRI is the general term for a set of reference values used to plan and assess nutrient intakes of healthy people. These values, which vary by age and gender, include:
    • Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA): average daily level of intake sufficient to meet the nutrient requirements of nearly all (97%-98%) healthy people.
    • Adequate Intake (AI): established when evidence is insufficient to develop an RDA and is set at a level assumed to ensure nutritional adequacy.
    • Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL): maximum daily intake unlikely to cause adverse health effects.
    Debunked tables should include 2 additional columns. RDA and UL, when applicable. Substitute AI for RDA if necessary.
  17. Anonymous Member

    I've examined four editions of Clear Mind Clear body.

    Screen Shot 2015-09-14 at 19.00.17.png

    I posted the Vitamin and Mineral Charts from the largest volume (83.2MB) and now I'm posting similar or same charts from a smaller volume, the 13.4MB text:

    Vitamins & Mineals smaller text 1.png
    Vitamins & Mineals smaller text 2.png

    Vitamins & Mineals smaller text 3.png

    Vitamins & Mineals smaller text 4.png

    Beyond the charts are listings and footnotes, and the texts are difficult to follow, with cart-wheeling references to definitions or mention of the same material on different pages.

    And, there are bat crap crazy interludes from the great master, pontificating on his miraculous scientific findings.

    For example:

    NIACIN RESEARCH AND RADIATION

    I conducted some research using niacin in 1950. At that time we referred to niacin as nicotinic acid and the beginning dosage used was 200 mg. (milligrams).

    This research was very interesting. Odd manifestations occurred when this vitamin was administered to individuals. Its most startling effect was that it would turn on, in a red flush, a sunburn on the person’s body in an exact pattern of a bathing suit! These were very neat patterns. The bathing suit outline was unmistakable. (My emphasis)

    What kind of “educated vitamin” was this that caused bodies to turn on a flush exactly like a previous sunburn, showing the exact pattern of a bathing suit outline? And which left on the body a pattern of an unaffected area which had been covered by a bathing suit some years before?

    Strangely, both the British and American pharmacopoeias advertised that this substance, nicotinic acid (niacin), turned on a flush and was therefore toxic in overdoses.

    What we found in 1950 was that if the niacin was continued—in what the pharmacopoeia would term “overdoses—eventually one got no more flushes from it.

    The sunburn like flushes would eventually disappear at 200 mg., then at 500 mg. they would recur but with less intensity. One might get a small reaction then at 1000 mg. for several days, after which one might administer 2000 mg. and find no more effects. The person would feel fine, his “sunburn” would be gone, and he would experience no more flush from the niacin.

    But if niacin was toxic, how was it that the more you “overdosed” it the sooner you no longer experienced the sunburn like flushes from it?
    __________________________

    It has occurred to me that these cult documents would serve as evidence of extreme quackery for anyone medically and/or scientifically qualified and willing to study them.
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  18. Intelligence Member


    I have the newer Clear Body, Clear Mind books from 2009, and an older edition from 1991.

    Neither books have the doses of the vitamins, only what they are.

    The upper limits from this website:

    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detox.htm

    Niacin 35mg

    Vitamin A 3,000

    Vitamin C 2,000mg

    Vitamin D 50

    Viatim E 1,000

    Minerals can be seen at above LINK.

    Toxic doses above 2,000 mg of Niacin, can cause peptic ulcer, gout, liver damage, and high
    blood sugar levels. I have witnessed the last three in the Purif where students were admitted to hospital.

    Won't even comment on the rest of the Vitamin and Mineral doses, they're all a recipe for harm!:(
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  19. AnonLover Member

    Thanks folks!

    Nightowl, would you be so kind as to give me the publications details from the title page on the excerpts provided? So that I can form proper citations (year, publisher, city) without much digging? TIA!
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  20. Anonymous Member

    I'll attend to this asap!
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  21. AnonLover Member

    After reflecting on things for another day, I've decided there is one more USAMRMC name worth adding to my list of addressee targets on the open letter. This person, who holds executive level responsibility over the team that did the site assessment report and is the head of the department that handles other important, internal oversight roles in these research programs.
    The rest of the ORP Director's contact details based on this presentation dated March 25, 2015:
    http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2015medical/brosch.pdf

    Laura Ruse Brosch, PhD, RN
    Director, Office of Research Protections
    US Army Medical Research and Materiel Command

    Also, lots of helpful organizational information in the presentation link for explaining ORP, HRPO and the rest of the army overseer alphabet soup relevant to our interests ITT.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    From the 1991, 2004 edition - the 83.4 MB edition:

    Publication Details.png
    It is not a squarely copied document which shows above with the right edge.

    The front piece to the 1991, 2004 edition:

    Front Piece.png
    From the 1990 edition:

    1990 Edition.png
    Front Piece.png

    I've included the 1MB document and another 631KB unknown edition :

    Attached Files:

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  23. RightOn Member

    You guys rock
    Go get 'em
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  24. The following updates have been published as of today in response to an inquiry I sent last Friday to the National Institute of Health, asking if they had received any updated information on the completion of Carpenter's study and if so, when would it published to ClinicalTrials.gov.

    Major changes recorded to that link since the last update in December 2014 appears to be the completion dates.
    There may be other changes I am not spotting. This update is so fresh, the historical archive of changes has not been updated yet:

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/archive/NCT01672710

    I have sent the NIH a second inquiry asking when the above link will updated to reflect today's changes recorded on the main study page. Once the archive page is updated, we will be able to track Carpenter's officially reported delays and look for discrepancies between the information provided to the NIH versus his CMDRP progress reports.
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  26. AnonLover Member

    Thanks for the reminder on this. I sent the press contact a harpoon yesterday with a link to the FOIA request on MuckRock and TonyO's story on the one piece he found interesting, and asked the media contact to please relay that info to the two CFI bigwigs who signed the letter to the Secretary of Defense.

    I have been up to my eyeballs in CMDRP program information in order to get a good understanding on how the grant process works and who the major players are. I'm finally crawling my way out of that rabbit hole, with only 3 more bookmarks to read! Then I can get bak to A) Additional FOIA Requests for loose ends. And then B) Compiling debunking info for my whitepaper.

    I have reached out to ESMB's Udarnik to come join us ITT since s/he's a scientist and was instrumental back in 2011 when we were all harpooning the University of Albany IRB. Which appears to have been a successful venture since the FOIA dox reveal that the UofA IRB refused to validate the proposal and forced Carpenter to acquire a commercial IRB to fulfill that role. (IOW it appears we scored a WIN in our earlier work when HellRazor first found this damn thing.)
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  27. AnonLover Member

    Sweet! I sees what you did thar! Time to pursue that same "completion" angle with the CDMRP. BRB... working my MuckRock FOIA schtick.
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  29. AnonLover Member

    Are you sure that is the correct Commanding General to target in the open letter?

    Or is it this person: http://cdmrp.army.mil/about/leadership.shtml

    Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs Leadership

    Col. Wanda L. Salzer, M.D., M.H.Sc., U.S. Air Force Medical Corps
    Director, Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs

    1077 Patchel Street
    Fort Detrick, MD 21702-5024
    Phone: (301) 619-7071
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  30. AnonLover Member

    FWIW, here is my ever-growing list of possible sources to cite...

    Related info on NY Rescue Workers Detox that Carpenter references heavily in his original proposal
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?mf=1&yf=&mt=12&yt=&t=New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Program

    Related info on the Chernobyl treatment studies that lead to the government ban on the program
    http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/russia/971100b.htm
    http://www.holysmoke.org/narconon/narconon-in-russia1.htm

    Related info on the Vietnam Agent Orange Detox Program
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/w...n-vietnam-get-scientology-treatment.html?_r=0
    http://news.yahoo.com/vietnamese-hopeful-unproven-scientology-detox-070343287.html
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/09/agent-orange-victims-get-scientology-detox-treatment/

    Related info on Scientology being found guilty of fraud in France and fined $791,000 for its efforts to persuade people to take the Purification Rundown
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/french-court-upholds-scientology-fraud-conviction/
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/16/scientologys-fraud-conviction-upheld-by-frances-highest-court/
    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-rundown-close-call.html
    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-in-france-still-guilty-of-fraud-6670646
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/europe/28france.html
    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/06/paris-trial-vii.html
    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/08/17-doctor-backs-rundown.html

    Narconon's Expert Witness Testimony in GA admits there is no scientific basis for the claim that Scientology's sauna program detoxifies the body
    http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/narconon-debunked-its-own-expert/nSQ3t/
    alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf
    http://tonyortega.org/2012/10/02/sc...gia-hit-with-double-barreled-media-onslaught/

    The original source of deception, Col. David Root public hearing day 2 testimony, PRESIDENTIAL SPECIAL OVERSIGHT BOARD FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE INVESTIGATIONS OF GULF WAR CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL INCIDENTS
    http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/oversight/frid.htm
    https://xenudirectory.wordpress.com/tag/david-e-root/
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/-JnmxYcp-Lk

    Other useful references on Scientology connections to this program and/or related dirt that can be cited for debunking the proposal/protocol documents
    http://www.drug-detox-rehab.org/states/archives/2007/maryland_drug_detox_rehab_info~Severna Park.html
    http://www.ocala.com/article/201001...ala-will-benefit-detoxification-project&tc=ar
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/johnny-spag-hypes-it-up/
    http://www.examiner.com/article/sci...s-north-carolina-what-is-killing-our-soldiers
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/purif1.html
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sci-med.htm
    http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/at/narcononevaluation.asp
    http://web.archive.org/web/20130124...ow.usc.edu/2008/06/debunking-detox-diets.html

    Paging DeathHamster to the white phone. Got any other useful stuff in your FrontCite database to add to the bolded categories above? TIA! <3
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  31. AnonLover Member

    Googlefu HALP Wanted: I need to find some basic info on how NIH grants work so I can try and find a work-able angle for crafting a FOIA request to get Carpenter's clinical trial proposals/rejections that he submitted prior to the creation of the CMDRP GWIRP.

    From: http://articles.philly.com/2007-10-07/news/25233591_1_dirty-work-scientology-detox
  32. Anonymous Member

    From Startpage - (I loathe google): https://startpage.com/do/dsearch

    Grants Process Overview

    http://grants.nih.gov/grants/grants_process.htm

    NIH Grant Review Process YouTube Videos

    http://public.csr.nih.gov/aboutcsr/.../nih-grant-review-process-youtube-videos.aspx

    Application Process

    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/funding/grant-writing-and-application-process/index.shtml
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  33. AnonLover Member

    Flashback to 2011 when we first caught wind of this damn shit, Udarnik pointed out both Kerr and Romero are scientologists...
    More dirt on Scientologist Kathleen Kerr
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sources/media/ts140686.htm
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Kathleen Kerr

    Also, the main piece of dirt found in 2011 on Severna Wellness Center where this study is being conducted was previously used as Narconon Detox Center:
    http://www.drug-detox-rehab.org/states/archives/2007/maryland_drug_detox_rehab_info~Severna Park.html
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  34. AnonLover Member

    Going thru the old 2011 thread has made it painfully obvious that a lot of the sauces we used in harpoons in the past, have now been lost. Most of the busted links are in the internet wayback machine. The last one I posted above from the Narconon drug-detox-rehab site is not, and can't be crawled. So here's a screengrab for posterity sake in case that too disappears.

    Narconon Drug Detox Rehab Program - Severna Park 2015-09-16 18-53-52.png
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  35. DeathHamster Member

    I love it when new tags hit old posts (US Army):
    Bwahahahaha!
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  36. RightOn Member

    Not to derail and disturb all the awesomeness in this thread. But I remembered the Milestoner's were targeting vets too. i think it was Lana who was talking about it a while back.
    I know this is laughable and nothing to worry about, but they have no right to hit up vets with Hubbard's woo crap either.
    ok, on with the harpooning and edumacating the gubermintz
    /derail
  37. Yes. Commanding General, USAMRMC is the highest level of authority in responsible for approving grants recommended for funding by the CDMRP IP.

    Colonel Salzer is NOT a Commanding General, not even close. But she is the chief medical professional in charge of the CDMRP and another worthy target to add to the address list on the open letter.
  38. AnonLover Member

    OK good. Thank you! I have learned more about the US Army in the past few days than I ever wanted to know.
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  39. AnonLover Member

    Another easy debunking task for lazyfags -- Whack A Shill! Who wants to play? :cool:

    post-54764-cat-finger-whack-a-mole-gif-Im-MEx4.gif

    From the following links and elsewhere in xenu-directory.net:
    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sci-med.htm
    https://xenudirectory.wordpress.com/tag/david-e-root/

    The well known Scientologists, Scientology Doctors and other FASE/IADS executives who have dedicated a chunk of their lives to getting Scientology's Purif/Detox program legitimized:

    Hubbard, L. Ron
    Dr Gene Denk
    Dr. Megan Shields
    Dr. David E. Root
    Dr. Kathleen Kerr
    Dr. Jeremy R. Rachunow
    Dr. Pyllis Gelb
    Dr. Zoltan Rona
    Dr. Paul Jaconello
    Dr. Max Ben
    Dr. Anna C. Law
    Dr. Gerald T. Lionelli
    Dr. Alfonso Paredes
    Dr. Theron G. Randolph
    Dr. Juan I. Redondo
    Dr. Edward C. Senay
    Dr. Ray Stowers
    Dr. Joseph Weissman
    Anything from: Proceedings of the First International Conference on Chemical Contamination and Human Detoxification
    Anything from: Government Technology magazine
    Heard, Steven R.
    Heard, Kathleen
    Cecchini, Maria A. (DiLiegro)
    Barnes, James G.
    Edmondson, Ellen
    Hamaker, Carolyn
    Smith, Carl E.
    Birkenshaw, Susan
    Wiggins, Robert
    Dirmann, Jack
    Klein, Leonard
    Mellado, Ray
    Miller, Keith W.
    Rosen, Linda
    Skolnik, Racquel
    Wisner, R. Michael

    Possible source for the names of more IADS shills that has been taken down after all of Chris Owens and Dr.T's harpooning in years past: http://web.archive.org/web/20011012084618/http://www.detoxacademy.org/archives.htm

    HALP WANTED: NEED MORE YELLOW (see below) AND need more names (see above)

    The supporting documentation (references section) from Carpenter's proposal is here because WWP won't let me upload a 14MB file : https://www.dropbox.com/s/howf9j3ufhfmnsx/CarpenterProposalCitations.pdf?dl=0

    I've done a very quick 2-minute pass at highlighting in yellow just a couple of the most widely known scilon doctors he cited (first 5 names in my list above). Pink is where Carpenter cites himself. I need someone to check this thoroughly, for ALL of the names listed above and any other names we can find. Then point me towards the rest of the cult-tainted cites that I still need to highlight.

    TIA! <3
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  40. AnonLover Member

    Love note to all lurking Gulf War vets from the various charities and support groups keeping an eye on this discussion that I've reached out to in hopes of finding a few program candidates that said "OH HELLZ NO" after sitting through the telephone pre-screening for Carpenter's program:

    The word "scilon" is our own derogatory slang for "scientologist"

    The suffix "fag" is our term of endearment for good guys, in keeping with Anonymous internet meme speak where we purposely over-use offensive labels to kill their negative connotation and make them meaningless. So everybody is a fag, nigger, bitch, etc. and when we use those words we mean them in a good way.

    If you see us using any other slang that you're not familiar with, the Urban Dictionary is your friend!
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