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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tachanka, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. The Internet Member

    I just hope my buddy Den is still alive and kicking. One day, if I am lucky, I will buy him a beer while he tells me about all the critters he got to see in that Crimean zoo or whatever it was.
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  2. White Tara Global Moderator

    While I understand your motivation please keep the more gory photos for the Ukraine thread now in the dome.
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  3. Bozhkov Denis Member

    Thank you, I'm all right, at the moment I am in the reserve.
    Now we are doing what we can to help the military.
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    A little fun
    Fallout 4: Ukraine
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  7. Bozhkov Denis Member

    Several videos from the battlefield



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    August 24 to celebrate Independence Day
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  11. The Internet Member

    Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has been condemned as an illegal act by many nations. So of course the US and many others will want Russia to go home.

    But it looks like Putin has been supporting far right groups within Ukraine who are now fighting for Russia. So even after the Russian army leaves, Ukraine will have to deal with these anti-government militias.

    As in the Ukraine, Putin has been wooing far right groups within the US. Sometimes his PR people tip their hand, revealing their foreign origins:

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    Here is another Putin meme appearing on right wing web sites, but less flawed in its presentation:

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    So it seems Putin, not Obama, is covertly meddling in the internal politics of other nations.
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  12. Bozhkov Denis Member

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    Ukranian volunteer battalions "Donbas" under Ilovaisk
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    The invasion has begun, Novoazovsk formally occupied by regular russian troops
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  16. Bozhkov Denis Member

    The war has begun ... wish us luck
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    Video russian columns which invaded in Ukraine 08.28.14


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    Artillery and aviation today and yesterday worked wonderfully well... waiting for the new russian... bullets enough for all...

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  21. Bozhkov Denis Member

    Heroes don't die, are dying enemies

    http://ukraineinvestigation.com/two-officers-antiaircrafters-blew-along-12-russian-paratroopers/
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    To fulfill the order to reinforce one of the divisions of ATO two MANPADS units led by the commander of anti-aircraft missile battalion, Major Oleksandr Kandesyuk, were formed and sent to the specified area. He, along with the assigned personnel, moved to the specified position. Having made the march, the anti-aircrafters arrived at the location battalion group.
    Further events were reported in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
    Arrival of the antiaircrafters to the locations coincided with the time when Russian troops with the standard military equipment broke through the Ukrainian border. It is learned that it was the 331st commando regiment (paratroopers), the bases of which is located in Kostroma. As a result of the advance of the Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine the 51st brigade was surrounded, along with its newly arrived reinforcement. The Russian troops immediately opened fire on the Ukrainian position on all their available weapons.
    “As of August 25 evening most of the battalion tactical group was removed from the unit. Whereas to survive in this hell there are almost no chances, it was decided to go for a breakthrough from the encirclement. Major Oleksandr Kandesyuk with Major Oleksiy Shepeliuk, commander of the anti-missile battery, led vanguard of the breakthrough group with his department – a sergeant and two soldiers. The vanguard ran into the ambush,” was reported in the Defense Ministry.
    As a result of the battle Major Kandesyuk received several wounds from enemy machine gun. Major Shepeliuk rushed to withdraw the officer from the fire, and while trying to drag away his comrade he was seriously wounded. The rest of the vanguard was shelled with machine guns, mortars – all personnel suffered severe injuries.
    The general group was unable to come to help friends because of barrage fire, and having gone to the base camp, took the defensive perimeter.
    “On the future of the vanguard group, witnesses say they saw 12 Russian paratroopers surrounded the wounded Ukrainian soldiers and, at gunpoint, tried to capture them. When the enemies, heaving created a ring, approached to a distance of several meters, the wounded Ukrainian officers rose from the ground and raised their hands up. It was noticeable that they were holding something, and instantly several explosions similar to the grenade rang. Obviously, the officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Major Oleksandr Kandesyuk and Oleksiy Shepeliuk, not wanting to give up, blew themselves with numerically superior enemy,” was emphisized in the Defense Ministry.
    It was reported that ATO commanders are preparing for submission to the President of Ukraine assigning died in the battle Major Oleksandr Kandesyuk and Major Oleksiy Shepeliuk the title of Hero of Ukraine (posthumously).
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  24. The Internet Member

    I am sad these men had to die like this. I blame Mr. Putin for escalating a business conflict with Ukraine that was not going the way he wanted. This is the behavior of a thug, not a business man.

    May the world quickly reject this thug who does not deserve to hold so much power over others.
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  27. Anonymous Member

    Monsanto, Hill & Knowlton and Ukraine

    By JOYCE NELSON / CounterPunchAugust 29th, 2014

    Finally, a little-known aspect of the crisis in Ukraine is receiving some international attention. On July 28, the California-based Oakland Institute released a report revealing that the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF), under terms of their $17 billion loan to Ukraine, would open that country to genetically-modified (GM) crops and genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) in agriculture. The report is entitled “Walking on the West Side: the World Bank and the IMF in the Ukraine Conflict.” [1]

    In late 2013, the then president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, rejected a European Union association agreement tied to the $17 billion IMF loan, whose terms are only now being revealed. Instead, Yanukovych chose a Russian aid package worth $15 billion plus a discount on Russian natural gas. His decision was a major factor in the ensuing deadly protests that led to his ouster from office in February 2014 and the ongoing crisis.

    According to the Oakland Institute, “Whereas Ukraine does not allow the use of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in agriculture, Article 404 of the EU agreement, which relates to agriculture, includes a clause that has generally gone unnoticed: it indicates, among other things, that both parties will cooperate to extend the use of biotechnologies. There is no doubt that this provision meets the expectations of the agribusiness industry. As observed by Michael Cox, research director at the investment bank Piper Jaffray, ‘Ukraine and, to a wider extent, Eastern Europe, are among the most promising growth markets for farm-equipment giant Deere, as well as seed producers Monsanto and DuPont’.” [2]

    Ukrainian law bars farmers from growing GM crops. Long considered “the bread basket of Europe,” Ukraine’s rich black soil is ideal for growing grains, and in 2012 Ukrainian farmers harvested more than 20 million tonnes of corn.

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    http://www.constantinereport.com/monsanto-hill-knowlton-ukraine/
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    Chronology of Latter-day

    http://blogs.pravda.com.ua/authors/voznyak/
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    War, not the expected peace arrived at the doorstep of Great Britain and France when they gave up Czechoslovakia to Hitler in 1938. War is happening right here at home and not in faraway Europe – the United States were harshly reminded about this at Pearl Harbor in 1942. War descended on Ukraine and thus is now much closer to Paris and Berlin, because Europe and the US haven't supported Georgia in 2008. War showed up in the homes of Dutch, British, French, German, Australian families because Europe and the US weren't courageous enough to lend a helping hand to Ukraine in 2014. It is impossible to run away from war and overwhelming aggression, it is impossible to buy yourself off. The war will catch up with you if you don't stand up to it with utmost determination.

    August 29 – Two seriously wounded Ukrainian officers-antiaircraft gunners (Major Oleksander Kandesyuk and Major Oleksiy Shepeliuk) blew themselves up along with 12 Russian paratroopers, – informs the press-service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

    August 29 – Commander of Ukrainian battalion "Azov" Andriy Biletskyi: "This war is not like the war in Chechnya or Afghanistan, this is... a full-scale industrial age war. Main type of battle is combined battle. Key weapons are artillery and tanks. Fighting with guns against such weapons is like swimming across the Pacific Ocean in an inflatable boat... We must prepare for a long-term campaign and approach it will all the seriousness. The enemy is very strong."

    August 29 – Near Ilovaisk, ATO servicemen were attacked by 7 Russian tanks and an infantry battalion; Ukrainians turned the enemy back and took 12 Russians as prisoners.

    August 29 – "Information resistance" group is currently observing the presence of the following Russian troops in Donbas: 3 battalion-tactical groups and 2 tank battalions of the Russian Army (5 battalion-tactical groups and 3 tank battalion is the maximum noticed). 8-10 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of Russian special forces are also operating in the region.

    August 29 – Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia wasn't provided with evidence of its invasion of Ukraine.

    August 29 – If qualified, Ukraine may join NATO in the future, – said the Secretary General of the Alliance, Anders Fogh Rasmussen during the press conference after the meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission. This is how he commented on Ukrainian government's rejection of the non-aligned status.

    August 29 – When travelling to support ATO forces, a joint column consisting of the units of the National Guards and Armed Forces of Ukraine was ambushed by the enemy en route Debaltseve-Vuglegirsk – 4 soldiers were killed, 19 injured.

    August 29 – "Military intervention" by Russia in connection with the recent events in Ukraine was mentioned by the German government for the first time by the spokesman of the German government Steffen Seibert (Deutche Welle).

    August 30 – Foreign Minister of France Laurent Fabius has said that the French government has the evidence of Russian troops invading Ukraine (France 24)

    August 30 – On August 29, the Russian army shot down a Ukrainian military aircraft Su-25 using an air-defense system. The pilot ejected himself from the aircraft.

    August 30 – Relatives of Russian soldiers claim that approximately 200 soldiers, who are located in Rostov region, are being forced to sign a contract to fight in Ukraine (Russian TV channel "Dozhd").

    August 30 – After they were surrounded by Russian troops, Ukrainian troops near Ilovaisk have begun to break through the entrapment. Ukrainian units have suffered significant personnel losses.

    August 30 – Carl Bildt: Very little doubt now that Russia will use also its regular armed forces to try to carve out a Novorossyia semi-state from Ukraine. Second day of informal EU Foreign Ministers meeting here in Milano". The discussions are dominated by situation in Ukraine and Russia.

    August 30 – The Russian army is employing more and more new weapons against Ukrainians. Today "the Russians have used guided anti-tank missiles against our troops", – informs ATOD press-center.

    August 30 – The European Council (EU summit) must make a political decision about a new phase of sanctions at its meeting on August 30, – stated Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Brussels at a joint press conference with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

    August 30 – "Ukraine is able to protect itself, and we do not expect that the soldiers of other countries will fight for us here", -said Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. He also explained that he expects military-technical assistance, particularly in the form of intelligence sharing.

    August 31 – Ukraine welcomes the conclusions of a special European Council meeting of 30 August, during which the EU leaders have acknowledged Russian aggression, – Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine.

    August 31 – Another convoy of Russian "humanitarian aid for eastern Ukraine" is located in the city of Kamensk-Shahtinsky (Rostov oblast). Apparently not enough Russian tanks have been transferred to Ukraine yet.

    August 31 – All Russian paratroopers, who were detained in Ukraine, have returned home, – informs radio station "Echo of Moscow".

    August 31 – As a result of EU summit, it became clear that the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Cyprus are blocking further sanctions against Russia, which has occupied Crimea and is now slowly invading Donbas region. It is commonly known that the leaders of Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Cyprus often express pro-Russian opinions.

    August 31 – Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged the government of Ukraine to start negotiations on granting independence (autonomy?) to areas, which are being controlled by the Russian terrorists and invaders.

    August 31 – Russian terrorists have tortured Amvrosiivka Military District Commissioner, lieutenant colonel Volodymyr Moskovka to death. His car was stopped by the servicemen of the 331st Airborne Regiment of Russian Armed Forces. Russian soldiers have handed him over to the terrorists. Those have staged a demonstrative torture – this is how the Russians are trying to scare Ukrainian military, – informed Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

    August 31 – 2 Ukrainian Coast Guard boats were fired at in the sea near Mariupol.

    August 31 – Accumulation of armored vehicles and artillery by the Russian army continues near Novoazovsk in Donetsk oblast, -said the spokesman of the National Security and Defense Council Andriy Lysenko.
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  30. Bozhkov Denis Member

    http://khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1409235145
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    A young Lviv law student in his final year has become the latest of a growing number of Russia’s geopolitical prisoners - Ukrainian nationals held in detention in Russia. The term hostage would be more appropriate were it not for the serious criminal charges that each has been charged with. If the four Crimeans facing absurd ‘terrorist charges following peaceful protest against Russian occupation fall within traditional definitions of political prisoner, and Ukrainian officer Nadiya Savchenko is a prisoner of Russia’s undeclared war, Yury Yatsenko is in Russian detention because he is Ukrainian.
    Yatsenko and his friend Bohdan Yarychevsky, a recent law graduate from Lviv, were detained in Russia’s Kursk oblast in early May. They were officially stopped to check their identity. Ukrainian passports may have been sufficient to arouse initial suspicion, but the Russian police officers clearly thought being from Lviv was tantamount to a ‘confession’ in wrongdoing. Yarychevsky recounts how one of the officers, obviously under the influence of Russian media propaganda, immediately called Lviv a ‘fascist city’ and both young men were assumed to be ‘radicals’, members of the nationalist Right Sector, etc.
    They were held in a police station without food or sleep for two days, and not allowed to ring their relatives, a lawyer or the Ukrainian consul. During that time the FSB [Russian security service] turned up, interrogated them, suspecting that they had been ‘sent by Dmytro Yarosh’ [the leader of Right Sector] or by Ukraine’s SBU. The ‘grounds’ for such suspicions were a map showing Kursky Station found on their mobile telephone. Yarychevsky explains that they’d saved it in order to get their bearings and know how to get to the station to catch the coach home. The FSB, however, deemed the photo ‘suspicious’ and possibility indicating a plan to blow up the station.
    Given the ongoing ‘terrorist’ charges against world-renowned film director Oleg Sentsov and three other Crimeans, it is interesting to note what Yarychevsky and Yatsenko were told on May 6 and 7 this year. Officers in Kursk believed they might be involved in ‘another sabotage group’ like that in Simferopol which was planning to blow up a statue of Lenin. The first arrest in Simferopol was that of Sentsov late on May 10. No terrorist acts had occurred, nor had any statue to Lenin been blown up. Such advance knowledge of a purported plot only strengthens the suspicion that a ‘Crimean plot’ had been thought up, together with the casting of political opponents, by the FSB.
    Yatsenko and Yarychevsky were not officially detained for imaginary ‘radicalism’ or ‘nationalism’, nor were they suspected of any criminal offence. A court on May 8 ruled that they had committed an administrative offence by ticking the box ‘private purpose’ on the border entry form, when they should have ticked the ‘tourism’ box.
    They were held in a deportation detention centre for three months, initially still without being allowed to contact anybody. That isolation gave the FSB a free hand which they used in their methods of interrogation to try to force out ‘confessions’ that the young men had been planning some kind of sabotage in Russia. When threats and psychological pressure failure, they resorted to torture with Yatsenko being taken, in handcuffs and with a bag over his head, to a forest where three officers ‘worked on him’ for several hours. Yarychevsky explains that the torture was bad enough to not be endured many times and the two young men understood that they must somehow contact their relatives. They slashed themselves, causing quite deep wounds and in that way managed to get admitted to an emergency hospital giving them the chance to alert their families.
    They were, however, returned to the centre and the torture, this time of Yarychevsky also, and questioning continued. Any attempts to cite the law and the deportation order which had long been in force aroused only laughter from the FSB and the response that they had the ‘administrative resource’ to ensure that the young men were held in Russia as long as the federal security officers chose.
    The FSB constantly tried to threaten or persuade them to publicly testify that a military junta had taken over in Ukraine and to ask for political asylum. The young men’s sense of honour and dignity made such lies impossible, and the torment continued.
    They constantly received threats that if they didn’t cooperate, criminal charges would be concocted, with drugs or weapons planted.
    This is basically what happened, though against only one of the two – Yury Yatsenko - who has been charged with ‘smuggling explosive devices’. Yarychevsky was deported and is now planning a major student campaign in September for his friend’s release.
    Yatsenko’s lawyer, Pyotr Zaikin says he has never seen such flagrant disregard for Russian legislation as in this case. He took part in the appeal against Yatsenko’s detention and said that the court was provided with no proof whatsoever of any smuggling having taken place. The court was presented with an ‘explanation’ given by a taxi driver and his friend whom Yatsenko saw and left a bag with for safe-keeping in Nov 2013. Such an ‘explanation’ is not a document that can be used in court, however even if it could be, it would rather be in Yatsenko’s favour. The men confirmed that they checked the bag for anything illegal and found nothing. Several months later, the FSB checked the same bag and ‘found’ 40 grams of an explosive device. It is difficult to write this without the irregularities hitting one in the eye, yet Zaikin’s objections were simply ignored by the court and Yatsenko’s detention upheld. The FSB envisage that their ‘investigation’ into the new charge will take three to four months.
    Earlier this year Moscow tried to justify overt aggression against Ukraine, as well as its annexation of the Crimea, as being ‘in defence’ of Russians in Ukraine’. Methods in which any Ukrainian national can become a geopolitical prisoner are a threat to very many Ukrainians living or visiting Russia. In view of the methods applied since early May, it is imperative that this case receives maximum publicity. Yury Yatsenko needs our help.
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  31. Bozhkov Denis Member

    http://khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1409177254
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    Nadiya Savchenko, the Ukrainian officer held in a Russian SIZO or pre-trial detention centre since her capture by Kremlin-backed militants and abducted to Russia is to face a forced psychiatric examination in the notorious Serbsky Institute in Moscow. In a statement passed to her lawyer, Savchenko has condemned the psychiatric examination as illegal and said that she will be refusing to give any testimony, answer any questions etc.

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    She clearly states that she “was illegally abducted from Ukraine, unlawfully brought to the Russian Federation and is being held here illegally. She considers the psychiatric examination to be carried out on her unlawful. She is therefore refusing to speak with the clinic staff; to give any kind of testimony; to answer any questions in writing or verbally; to fill in any forms or undergo any tests.

    The Serbsky Institute gained notoriety in Soviet times for its application of punitive psychiatry and the fact that Savchenko is being placed there for a month is of grave concern. She herself categorically prohibits the use against her of any psychological or physical pressure; any substances added to food, injected or placed in her bed linen that has a psychological or physical effect

    At the court hearing on Aug 27, Savchenko’s detention was again extended until Oct 30. This was the first occasion that she was brought to the courtroom, though kept enclosed in a glass cubicle.

    As on all previous occasions Nadiya Savchenko demonstrated her courage and refusal to be cowered. She rejected any involvement in the death of Russian journalists and said that she did not understand what connection the Russian investigators and court had to events in Ukraine.

    She also told the court: “You have no justice, you have no law. Thank God Yanukovych has gone. I will hope that Putin will also soon go.”

    Savchenko was taken prisoner in the Luhansk oblast by militants from the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic on June 17 or 18. Two days later a video appeared of her being interrogated by the militants. She demonstrated courage during the interrogation and refused to provide the information the militants demanded.

    On July 2 a Russian court remanded her in custody until August 30. Russia’s Investigative Committee announced on July 9 that charges had been laid against Savchenko for alleged “complicity in the group killing of two or more people carrying out official activities in a publicly hazardous manner for motives of political hatred”.

    The investigators claim that in June, as a member of the Aidar Battalion, Savchenko found out the whereabouts of a group of TV Rossiya journalists and other civilians outside Luhansk, and passed these to fighters who carried out a mortar attack which killed TV Rossiya employees Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin.

    They also assert that Savchenko crossed the Russian border, without any documents, pretending to be a refugee. They allege that she was initially detained to establish her identity.

    This story is totally denied by Savchenko who says she was forcibly taken across the border with a bag over her head and in handcuffs. The Russian investigators’ version is also wildly implausible. More details about the holes in the case, and the use of Russian TV to try to conceal them here.

    Russia has effectively abducted five Ukrainian nationals and is holding another in custody on highly suspect grounds. Oleg Sentsov, Oleksandr Kolchenko, Gennady Afanasyev and Oleksy Chirny are all from the Crimea and all actively opposed Russia’s annexation of their homeland. They were arrested at different times in May and after interrogation allegedly with the use of torture were taken to Moscow where they are facing positively far-fetched ‘terrorist’ charges. Chirny has also been subjected to a Serbsky Institute ‘examination’ and the NGO Open Dialogue has expressed concern that he could be the victim of punitive psychiatry. Yury Yatsenko, a final law student from Lviv has been held in custody, supposedly awaiting deportation since May. A couple of weeks ago, the Russian authorities suddenly charged him with equally dubious charges of ‘smuggling explosives’.
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  32. Bozhkov Denis Member

    http://khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1409512010
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    Russian fascist ideologue Dugin: Why stop with Donetsk and Luhansk?

    A number of fascists and neo-Nazis descended on Yalta this weekend, with members of prominent fascist parties like Hungary’s Jobbik due to attend. They joined Sergei Glazyev, senior adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Maxim Shevchenko a member of Putin’s human rights council, Kremlin-backed militants and their Russian comrades from various far-right and neo-Nazi parties in discussing the fight against the ‘fascist junta in Kyiv’. A star attraction was surely the proposed formation of a Russian ‘Anti-fascist Council’.

    It is unclear at present how many of the invited members of Belgium’s neo-Nazi Parti Communautaire National-Européen’; fascist Jobbik; far-right British National Party and others actually attended the Aug 29-31 conference on “Russia, Ukraine and Novorossiya: global problems and challenges”. Reports mention only that people from the relevant countries were present.

    Absence would not, however, indicate lack of support. A number of the announced guests or parties were involved in something euphemistically called ‘observing’ the Crimean ‘referendum’ on March 16. Many have since continued to actively defend Russia’s ‘right’ to the Crimea and Kremlin policies generally.


    The introductory address was provided by Putin’s aide Sergei Glazyev. The latter’s statement that he was on leave and speaking in a private capacity is as difficult to take seriously as Russia’s claim that Russian soldiers involving in fighting the Ukrainian army are doing this as ‘holiday’ recreation.

    Glazyev caused some bemusement in late June when he labelled Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko a ‘Nazi’, and he has not veered from that course since. Or not quite, since his speech in Yalta was considerably more strident with respect to the United States.

    “Ukrainian Nazism is a foreign element since Ukraine is a country of the Russian world [Russky mir]”, Glazyev asserted. He believes that it is the USA who has an interest in a war in Ukraine. The US, seeking to become the single world ruler, is trying through a new global war to write off its own debts and cover future financial bankruptcy and a catastrophic economic decline.

    “The USA is using incredible provocation – from the fire in Odessa to the Malaysian airliner shot down to convince Europe to enter into war with Russia and for that it needs to provoke Russia to invade”.

    He denied that Russia was providing the militants with military aid, supporting them only ideologically and by not obstructing volunteers.

    The USA’s aim, he claims, is to destroy Russia and Ukraine, and then all of Eurasia. Ukraine was never an enemy for Russia and the Americans understand that they are placing the Kremlin in an impossible position – war with a brother country.

    The bloody drama in Ukraine, he proclaimed, is “our shared misfortunate since we are talking about the mutual destruction of one and the same people”.

    Maxim Shevchenko, member of Putin’s human rights council, continued the pathos, saying that “each falling bomb is falling on us all”. He is convinced that all Ukraine is occupied by what he calls Kyiv fascists.

    Either Shevchenko or Luhansk leading militant Alexei Mozgovoi noted that the war in Ukraine does not just affect people living there, but “also Russians since the border between the two parts of a once united country is absolutely artificial and their population is interwoven by millions of ties.

    These words were spoken while thousands of residents of the port city of Mariupol dug trenches and formed a human chain to try to deter Russian forces which are believed to have been involved in the capture of the nearby city of Novoyazovsk. The professed concern for ‘shared misfortune’ are bitter mockery not only because of the thousands of Ukrainians killed or maimed over recent months, but also because of the Russian soldiers, many conscripts who have died fighting Russia’s latest illicit war.

    Equally distasteful are the constant attempts to foist the view that the Kyiv authorities are ‘fascist’ and that the first ever Ukrainian president to receive a majority at the first round of voting is a ‘Nazi’.

    The cynicism is almost surreal even without the invitations provided to members of far-right and neo-Nazi parties in Europe. Most of the Ukrainian militant leaders, together with many from Russia, are people known for their far-right, sometimes neo-Nazi views. The ideologues, as well as some prominent members of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity party [headed by Alexander Barkashov, believed to be in Donetsk at the moment], Alexander Dugin’s ultra-nationalist Eurasia Party; Edward Limonov’s Other Russia party and Black Hundred are either actively involved in the fighting in eastern Ukraine or effectively encouraging others to take part.

    Pavel Gubarev, one of the leaders of the Donetsk militants from the outset is known for his roots in the Russian National Unity party. His aide, Alexander Proselkov, shot and killed on July 31 by the militants’ own security guards, was a Russian national and member of the neo-fascist International Eurasia Movement and Eurasian Youth Union, both closely linked to Dugin. He was one of many Dugin followers now in eastern Ukraine.

    Neo-fascist Dugin’ has friends and / or followers in high places in Moscow. His anti-Western and anti-democratic rhetoric was disturbingly echoed in Glazyev and Shevchenko’s addresses in Yalta.

    Dugin, Barkashov and Limonov and their supporters have provided active support and training to militants in eastern Ukraine.

    Nor is any of this new. Anton Shekhovtsov, a researcher on far-right movements, reports clear evidence of Russian security service support for pro-Russian ‘separatists’ since 2005. He notes that this was a year after Putin’s address to the Federal Assembly in which he spoke of the collapse of the Soviet Union having been the “greatest geopolitical disaster of the century” and having forced millions of their “compatriots” to find themselves outside Russian territory.

    An original ‘Donetsk Republic’ organization was created in 2005 with members taken to training and indoctrination camps in Russia. Shekhovtsov points out that the camps were formed at the initiative of both Dugin and Vladislav Surkov, then deputy head of Putin’s Administration, using Administration money. Among the participants were Andrey Purgin, now ‘first deputy prime minister’ of the self-proclaimed Donetsk people’s republic and Oleg Frolov, a ‘member of the DPR’s ‘parliament’.

    None of this is new, not even the attempts to present all Ukrainians who oppose them as ‘neo-Nazi’ and ‘fascist’. The terms, as Shekhovtsov aptly puts it, are turned on their head.

    Putin’s response to expressions of outrage on Thursday over irrefutable evidence of Russian military engagement in Ukraine was an ‘appeal to the insurgents of Novorossiya’ in which he laid all blame for the carnage on the Ukrainian military. His reaction on Aug 31 to clear signs of disunity within the EU was to demand more ‘statehood’ for eastern Ukraine. His press secretary leapt in explaining that Putin had spoken only of greater ‘autonomy’ and that Ukraine must negotiate with ‘Novorossiya’.

    Peskov had initially tried to justify the president’s use of the term Novorossiya as being that which was ‘historically’ used. This was indeed what Putin himself said back in April when asked about ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. He noted that the area in question referred to Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odessa. “Russia lost these territories for various reasons, but the people remained."

    With NATO, the USA and other countries having clearly stated that Russian forces and equipment are deployed in Ukraine and watching as they advance together with the militants, it is worth noting the comments made recently by Russian national and Moscow-based Dugin. “As we develop our offensive, an interesting point will emerge, namely: what are the borders of the DPR and LPR [Luhansk people’s republic], that is, the Federal State of Novorossiya? Kyiv will not recognize us, but then we won’t recognize Kyiv. What makes you think that we would stop on the borders of the former Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts?”

    Exactly 75 years since Nazi Germany invaded Poland, it is surely time that western countries ask themselves this same question.
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29026623
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    Russian President Vladimir Huylo: 'If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks'.
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    And we have already prepared for this meeting. ;)
    P.S. Three months ago, he said that for two hours it will take the Kiev ...

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  38. White Tara Global Moderator

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe...fire-in-fighting/story-fnh81p7g-1227046768314

    RUSSIAN President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Petro Poroshenko have agreed to a “permanent ceasefire” in fighting engulfing the east of the ex-Soviet state, the Ukrainian leader’s office said.
    Putin and Poroshenko held a telephone exchange “that resulted in an agreement for a permanent ceasefire in Donbass (eastern Ukraine),” the Ukrainian president’s office said in a statement.
    The brief statement gave no details and there was no immediate reaction from the Russia-backed separatists whom Ukrainian forces have been fighting since April.

    more at link;
    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe...fire-in-fighting/story-fnh81p7g-1227046768314
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    Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels agree ceasefire | Reuters

    Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels agreed a ceasefire on Friday, the first step towards ending a conflict in eastern Ukraine that has caused the worst standoff between Moscow and the West since the Cold War ended.

    The deal, taking effect from 1500 GMT(11.00 a.m. EDT), was agreed at peace talks with representatives of Russia and the OSCE security and rights group in the Belarussian capital Minsk.

    "The entire world longs for peace, the whole of Ukraine longs for peace, including millions of residents of (rebel-held) Donbass," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said in a written statement.

    "Human life is the highest value. We must do everything possible and impossible to end the bloodshed and put an end to people's suffering," he said, adding that he had ordered his armed forces to cease hostilities at 6 p.m. (1500 GMT).

    Sergei Taruta, the pro-Kiev governor of the Donetsk region at the heart of the rebellion, told Reuters he was hopeful the deal would hold, but a senior rebel leader said the separatists still wanted a formal split from Ukraine.

    "The ceasefire does not mean the end of (our) policy to split (from Ukraine)," Igor Plotnitsky, a leader of the Luhansk region, told reporters.

    The terms of the deal were not immediately known but the sides indicated this week that a humanitarian corridor would be created for refugees and aid, a prisoner exchange would take place, and rebuilding work would begin in conflict areas.

    Continued here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/05/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GZ18D20140905
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