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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tachanka, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. The Internet Member

    Dude, I notice you have one idea for every fight: just yell, “stop fighting, I mean it!” Does that ever actually work?
  2. A.O.T.F Member

    fify ;)
  3. laughingsock Member

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    I just want it to stop. All of it. Gaza, Ukraine, Syria, on and on and on. Even the petty bull shit that happens on a daily. People suck for the most part and that's why we need the world cup. That way we can look outward instead of noticing that there are real struggles for life occurring around us.
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  4. The Internet Member

    I thought you were channelling your mom. Aren’t you the one from the big family with rowdy brothers?
  5. The Internet Member


    It’s not really going to help the Ukraine crisis if people lump it together with other hot spots, as if every conflict were somehow the same thing.

    Although, I suppose, Russia’s effort to frame everything going on in the world as a competition between the US and Russia, like in the cold war days --that is kinda a common denominator. Iran is basically Russia’s tool and Iran pays those guys lobbing bombs into Israeli cities.

    But it is stupid to buy the old cold war frame. Because I think I read something about Goldman Sachs financing some Russian project. Basically, corporations drive stuff now, not so much the nations.
  6. laughingsock Member

    War is war, for whatever reason people are killing each other and nothing changes.
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  7. The Internet Member

    Also heat death of the universe. But I digress.

    Read about US companies helping Moscow to get rich: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...ussia-as-corporate-broker-to-boost-image.html

    Next time some stupid pro-Putin troll says something about the US sticking its nose into Ukraine and provoking Putin, you will smell the bullshit a mile away.
  8. A.O.T.F Member

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    We're all yelling on the inside, TI. War is hell.
  9. The Wrong Guy Member

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  12. vaLLarrr Member

    Russian seperatists no doubt.
  13. Yep. This is the kind of shit that will really kick off some fireworks over there
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    Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash: 'Nine Britons, 23 US citizens and 80 children' feared dead after Boeing passenger jet 'shot down' near Ukraine-Russia border

    Last paragraph:

    Anton Gerashenko, an aide to the Ukrainian Interior Minister, wrote on his Facebook page that the Boeing airliner, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was at an altitude of 33,000ft when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher and crashed near the city of Donetsk - a stronghold of pro-Russian rebels.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ng-295-people-crashes-in-ukraine-9612882.html

    Updates: www.facebook.com/anton.gerashchenko.7
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  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    'We warned you not to fly in our sky': Footage emerges of gloating Ukraine rebel as evidence emerges of Russian missile attacks launched from across the border

    • Rebel commander tweeted about downing Ukrainian military plane
    • He said: 'We warned you - do not fly in our sky'
    • As the identity of the downed airliner was revealed, the tweet was deleted

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/We-warned-not-fly-sky-Footage-emerges-gloating-Ukraine-rebel-evidence-emerges-Russian-missile-attacks-launched-border.html
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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Here's some much-needed comic relief.

    Prank Caller Destroys MSNBC's 'The Cycle'

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  21. Den Bozshkov Member

    Unfortunately there is no time, I'll be brief.
    I express my sincere condolences to the bereaved families.

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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    Ukrainian PM launches furious attack on Russia - but Moscow claims Kiev shot down MH17 | Mail Online

    Did MH17 pilot divert INTO the danger zone? Aviation expert claims captain made last-minute change of course over Ukraine because he 'felt uncomfortable'

    • Russian military expert claims pilot radioed his concerns about the route before diverting over rebel-held territory
    • Russian media explores theory that Ukrainian armed forces shot down Boeing 777 after mistaking it for Putin's jet
    • Kremlin leader was flying back to Moscow from Brazilian World Cup at around same time passenger plane crashed
    • Russian aviation sources said the routes of the two planes 'crossed at the same point and on the same altitude'
    • Ukrainian official accuses Putin of smuggling missile launcher back into Russia to cover up Kremlin involvement
    • Malaysian transport minister seeks to absolve airline of blame after it was criticised for flying through a war zone
    • Liow Tiong Lai said MH17 was flying on internationally-approved route and pilot given no last-minute instructions

    The pilot of MH17 radioed that he 'felt uncomfortable' about the route he was flying while over Ukraine and tragically altered his course to hostile territory where Russian separatist missile operators mistook his plane for a government military transport aircraft, according to an expert.

    Dr Igor Sutyagin, Research Fellow in Russian Studies from the Royal United Services Institute, believes that MH17 was shot down by rebels based in the 3rd District of Torez, in eastern Ukraine, using a ground-to-air Buk missile system.

    He told MailOnline that information had been leaked from a source he was unwilling to name that the pilot of MH17 'felt bad' about his course over Ukrainian airspace, so changed direction.

    Little did he know, according to Dr Sutyagin, that his plane would then be mistaken by rebels for a Ukrainian government resupply flight.

    His theory appears to be supported by a route map which shows the passenger plane travelling on a different course to the ones taken by the previous ten MH17 flights.

    Twitter user Vagelis Karmiros collated the information from Flightaware, the largest flight tracking website in the world.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696975/Putin-blames-Ukraine-loss-Flight-MH17-298-innocent-souls-DOESNT-deny-Russian-separatists-shot-missile-McCain-warns-Hell-pay.html
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  26. Russia's BS has been transparent from the beginning of this... Boldfaced lies and denial of the facts.
  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    WikiLeaks @wikileaks · 42m
    A new angle on MH17: Rebels fired at Ukraine fighter jet which was using MH17 as decoy

    A month ago, #MH17 was predicted by a local: “They wanted to provoke the militia to shoot at the passenger plane. There would be a global catastrophe. Civilians would die.”

    By Max Keiser

    Please note the upload date for this video: 18 June. One month before MH17. She is referring to an earlier incident of a Ukrainian military jet flying next to a commercial airliner as would seem may have happened on 17 July.



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    http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/07/we...-be-a-global-catastrophe-civilians-would-die/
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Russia accused of shooting down two Ukrainian military fighter jets just a few miles from MH17 disaster site, as Red Cross declares conflict a 'civil war'
    • Sukhoi-25 fighters shot down over area called Savur Mogila in east Ukraine
    • Defense Ministry says planes were likely carrying two crew members each
    • Attack comes less than a week after flight MH17 was blown out of the sky
    • 298 civilians were killed when surface to air missile struck their Boeing 777
    • That attack is blamed on pro-Russian rebels using a BUK missile launcher

    Ukraine's defence ministry accused Russia of shooting down two of its military fighter jets today, as the International Committee of the Red Cross declared a civil war in the country.

    Kiev's National and Security Council, which also warned of a major new build-up of Kremlin forces on its borders, said: 'The rockets were launched from Russian territory.'

    The Red Cross designation means both sides could face prosecution for war crimes in the conflict.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-jets-shot-rebel-held-area-east-country.html
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  29. Jeff Jacobsen Member

    So... wouldn't this mean that the rebels would be extra careful not to shoot down a civilian plane? Guess not.
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    Russia wants Apple, SAP to cooperate against foreign spying | Reuters

    Russia has proposed that Apple Inc and SAP hand the government access to their source code to make sure their widely used products are not tools for spying on state institutions.

    The suggestion that two of the world's flagship technology companies disclose some of their most sensitive business secrets comes as the United States and Europe debate their most severe sanctions yet against Russia for its role in Ukraine.

    On Tuesday, the United States imposed a new round of sanctions, hitting three Russian banks, including the country's second-biggest, VTB.

    The European Union reached agreement on Tuesday on its first broad economic sanctions, marking a new phase in the biggest confrontation between Moscow and the West since the Cold War.

    The Russian proposal was voiced last week when Communications Minister Nikolai Nikiforov met Apple's general manager in Russia, Peter Engrob Nielsen, and SAP's Russian managing director, Vyacheslav Orekhov, the Communications Ministry said in a statement.

    It said the proposal was designed to ensure the rights of consumers and corporate users to the privacy of their personal data, as well as for state security interests.

    While couched in the language of protecting privacy, any Russian move to force these companies to divulge the inner workings of their software could pose a major threat to their viability if they were to lose control of the source code.

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    A computer's source code is the underlying set of computer instructions that control the functioning of any software program and translate it into machine-readable instructions for computers. Source code represents the crown jewels for any software maker and most major commercial software companies jealously guard the code as their most precious secrets.

    "Obviously, companies which disclose the source code of their programs are not hiding anything, but those who do not intend to establish cooperation with Russia on this issue may have undeclared capabilities in their products," Nikiforov said.

    The ministry cited its more than decade-long cooperation with Microsoft (MSFT.O). The U.S. firm has been sharing its source code for the Windows operating system and other products since 2003 with Atlas, a technology institution that reports to the communications ministry.

    The ministry said the prospect of state companies using software and hardware when the producers do not share their source code with the government "remains uncertain".

    SAP and Apple both declined any immediate comment.

    More at http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/30/us-russia-software-idUSKBN0FZ1O320140730
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  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    Moscow fights back after sanctions; battle rages near Ukraine crash site | Reuters

    Russia fought back on Wednesday over new U.S. and EU sanctions imposed over Ukraine even as G7 leaders warned of further steps, while Ukraine's government accused pro-Russian rebels of placing land mines near the site of a crashed Malaysian airliner to prevent a proper investigation.

    Russia announced a ban on most fruit and vegetable imports from Poland and said it could extend it to the entire European Union, a move Warsaw called Kremlin retaliation for new Western sanctions over Ukraine imposed on Russia on Tuesday.

    Moscow called the new EU and U.S. sanctions "destructive and short-sighted" and said they would lead to higher energy prices in Europe and damage cooperation with the United States on international affairs.

    The confrontation between Russia and the West entered a new phase this week, with the United States and European Union taking by far the strongest international steps yet against Moscow over its support for Ukraine's rebels.

    The new EU and U.S. sanctions restrict sales of arms and of equipment for the oil industry, while Russian state banks are barred from raising money in Western capital markets.

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    On the ground in Ukraine, heavy fighting between government forces and separatists has been taking place near the site where Malaysian flight MH17 crashed into wheat and sunflower fields on July 17, shot down by what Washington and Brussels say was a missile supplied by Russia.

    Kiev accused the pro-Russian rebels on Wednesday of fortifying the area, including with land mines, to prevent the site from being properly investigated. The land mine report could not be independently confirmed. Ukraine is party to a treaty banning land mines; Russia is not.

    Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said the rebels were digging in for battle near the crash site: "They have brought a large number of heavy artillery there and mined approaches to this area. This makes impossible the work of international experts trying to start work to establish the reasons behind the Boeing 777 crash."

    More at http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/30/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0FZ1JF20140730
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  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    Experts recover human remains at Ukraine crash site despite new fighting | Reuters

    International experts found the remains of more victims of the downed Malaysian airliner in east Ukraine on Friday but fighting nearby between government forces and pro-Russian rebels renewed security concerns around the wreckage.

    The expert group, which Ukrainian authorities said numbered 101 people, was the largest to access the wreckage since Flight MH17 crashed in rebel-held territory on July 17.

    Continued at http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-ukraine-crisis-combat-idUSKBN0G138W20140801
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  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    NATO fears ground invasion as Russia masses troops on Ukraine border | Reuters

    Russia has massed around 20,000 combat-ready troops on Ukraine's border and could use the pretext of a humanitarian mission to invade, NATO said on Wednesday, its starkest warning yet that Moscow could soon mount a ground assault against its neighbor.

    With fighting escalating and rebels losing ground in the weeks since a Malaysian airliner was shot down over separatist-held territory, Russia has announced military exercises this week in the border region.

    "We're not going to guess what's on Russia's mind, but we can see what Russia is doing on the ground – and that is of great concern. Russia has amassed around 20,000 combat-ready troops on Ukraine’s eastern border," NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said in an emailed statement.

    Moscow could use "the pretext of a humanitarian or peace-keeping mission as an excuse to send troops into Eastern Ukraine", she said.

    Moscow annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in the Black Sea in March, and Western countries say it funded and armed pro-Russian rebels that rose up in the east of Ukraine in April.

    Continued at http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0G61K220140806
  36. The Wrong Guy Member

    The Road to the MH17 Crash Site: Russian Roulette



    Published by VICE News on August 5, 2014

    Over the past week, the Ukrainian military has recaptured a number of cities across eastern Ukraine. In this dispatch, VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky heads towards the MH17 crash site, as the Ukrainian military has successfully recaptured the cities surrounding it. On his way there, he visits a former separatist checkpoint and dugout, where he finds artillery the separatists used — some of which dates as far back as World War II.

    Follow @simonostrovsky on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky
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    http://www.9news.com.au/World/2014/...icles-destroyed-after-crossing-Ukraine-border


    Ukrainian artillery has reportedly destroyed Russian military vehicles that crossed over the border and into Eastern Ukraine.
    The office of Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko announced that a Russian armoured column crossed the border last night, before coming under fire and that “considerable part of this equipment was destroyed by Ukrainian artillery," it said in a statement.
    Yesterday, British newspapers the Guardian and the Telegraph reported eyewitness accounts of the armoured convoy crossing into Ukrainian territory under the cover of darkness.

    Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/...r-crossing-ukraine-border#umSmKHPdVfMUTHd2.99

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