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UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

Discussion in 'Fair Game Reports and Personal Experiences' started by getbeckyout, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    We could mail them a copy of a Panorama DVD. They might just throw it away, though.

    I don't think anyone should advocate anything other than sending them information. The ultimate outcome here it to get them all out; help them all see that they've been scammed.

    i.e. leave everyone alone. Just give them information. We don't need to do anything else, nor should we. (IMHO)
  2. basil Member

    Re: Can you spare £1, please, sir?

    She's back at work now sorry. The PDF's should be available in that Megaupload link above, hope they are useful.
  3. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    John Simon and John Simons in the List is the same person. The List is full of spelling errors and many women on the List are still listed with their maiden names, though they've been married for 20+ years.

    But having a somewhat OK grasp of English grammar & spelling skills was never a prerequisite for joining the cult.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    See here's the problem, you all assume to know what is specifically going on with this woman. You don't know if the Church is fucking up her life you don't know if she's being brainwashed ect ect. You know that those things do happen in the Church but you can't know whether or not it's happening to a specific person within the Church without some sort of evidence of that. So why are you trying to screw with someone's life without knowing they need your help? You've only heard the mother's side of the story. What if that's not the whole story? See what I mean? Your goal should be to try and find out if this woman needs help- not to unilaterally decide that you know what's in her best interest and that you can make her decisions for her. I mean isn't that something commonly cited as a big criticism of Scientology? Why do the same thing here?
  5. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    The cult told her not to talk so we can't find out more than we already know.
  6. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    some might suggest you should lurk moar
  7. getbeckyout Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Without been rude to you, Natalie and Silene have been the perfect Mother and Daughter for 28 Years, Fact.

    Silene put critical facts to Nat about the reputation of the cult, Fact.

    Natalie did KR'S on Silene for the cult.
    Anton did KR'S
    John did KR'S all in a days work for the cult.
    Discover who is attacking you.
    Handle
    Disconnect.

    Natalie has always been closer to her Dad, like many girls.

    Why has she disconnected from her whole family ?

    I wonder what bad act her father has done, or Silene.

    If they were bad and did bad things why would they wish to go public and share
    there family trauma.

    Why would Silene's next step be to go more public than a 10 min youtube video.

    Silene and her husband have no crimes, they have no skeletons in the cupboard,
    the only thing they are guilty of is love for Natalie.

    I would love you to make contact with Natalie and she will agree with every word i have wrote.

    Please anon person or OSA member could help me out here and make some terrible things up that may give a reason why in this situation a 28 Year old girl leaves and walks away from a perfect loving family.

    I take it you are not from a loving family and thats why you don't understand or as i have mentioned you are OSA / a scientologist.
    If you have had a painful life then i am truly sorry for you, come to a Manchester protest or any protest and you will get hugs.

    Please post your reasons why Natalie would disconnect, i tell you now you will not have any.

    Tony.
  8. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Bravo, getbeckyout!

    I admire your plain speaking and good sense, in the face of, arguably, the world's most sinister cult.

    Compassion - you have it. Culties don't even have the reference.
  9. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    ^^^ This!

    Also hugs to you too Tony.
  10. COREarg Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    ^^^ This
    Damn,that was a nice clean shot of truth.
  11. afternon Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Ditto.
    And Tony knows only too well what it's like to have to get a relative out of the cult and all the lies that Graeme Wilson will tell.
  12. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    There have been far too many cases when Scientology forced cult members to disconnect from good loving families. Nastalie's case fits the cult pattern perfectly.
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    That's one of the things that makes what we do so easy - they're so predictable. They can only follow LRH policy, most of which we know better than those still in do because it's all been leaked.

    Scientologists are moulded into Borg-like clones, generally independent of thinking for themselves outside of their own little narrow world-view that is thrust upon them. We, on the other hand, are an unstoppable mass as we are made up of so many different ideas, backgrounds and skills that remember different things and as a mass help each other out.

    The great thing is that you don't need to be involved in 'face to face' protesting and/or confrontation with Scientologists to be an effective part of the overall aim.
  14. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Obviously, you fit within a class of people, that no matter how many cold facts are waved in front of your nose, you will disregard it and believe in what you want to believe. There's no point in trying to discuss the rationale with you.
  15. RolandRB Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Besides, Anton Lorien is never going to be a famous singer. He has the hairy chest of a gorilla, the face of a horse and a voice like that of a girl's.
  16. COREarg Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Stop talking about Justin Bieber,plz.

    _______

    As a question, is there any future global picket planned to help Natalie get the hell out of there? I believe it can work,if it's worldwide. At least to gave her a glimpse that she's being waited on the other side.

    Not many of us are from UK, so it's the only thing I can manage to help.

    Brb Making traduction,I will see if I can make some fliers or something for my nearest CO$.
  17. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    I’ve spoken to someone about whether or not Anton Lorien can become a star and that other person told me something I think is important. What matters isn’t only whether Anton Lorien has talent or not, it also matters whether or not Anton Lorien has lucky breaks. Scientology can get Anton Lorien the opportunities he needs to become famous. The Hollywood Guarantee Building is guess where? It's in Hollywood. Scientology has Hollywood contacts through stars like Tom Cruise and John Travolta also through the retinues of Scientologist stars. Basically Scientologist know the right people and have enough money, they can bribe or bully Hollywood people into giving Anton Lorien the breaks he needs. Probably Scientology has contacts in places like Broadway as well.

    The rest is up to what talent Anton has or hasn’t got. It’s also up to Anonymous. We need to see to it that what Anton and his father did to Nat’s mother becomes well known. That way even women who like men with hairy chests, teeth like a horse teeth, ears that look like an elephant’s ears and high girlish voices turn against the wonderful looks and singing voice Anton’s got.
  18. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Mate, I know you mean well, but the personal insults about Anton are pathetic. And again, the threats to affect his career are just silly. :)

    Look, the motive for the disconnection is so that Natalie isn't exposed to that awful entheta, which might cloud her judgement on how "awesome" Scientology is. So, we should respond by making absoultely sure that she has all the information. i.e. defeat the purpose of the disconnection

    The scilons will ([STRIKE]rightly or[/STRIKE] wrongly) stress that the decision to disconnect is Natlalie's choice, and you'll look stupid. We need to expose the behind-the-scences psychological coercion that takes place.
  19. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    If we try and talk to Nat there’s no guarantee she’ll listen and there’s another problem with Anton. If Anton becomes a star he’ll use his influence to get some of his fans into the cult. We should create the type of bad publicity that will make Scientologists decide Nat is a liability and offload her. We should also stop Anton getting the type of influence that could get new victims into Scientology.
  20. RolandRB Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    I agree with Carlton Banks in that insulting this Anton guy just makes things worse and makes us all look like fools (Anton is the guy who is the boyfriend of Natalie with the hairy chest and the horse's head who can't sing). He might possibly become an actor but I don't think the world is ready yet for a remake of Mister Ed.
  21. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Anton Loren and his stepfather have behaved with cruel insensitivity towards Natalie’s unfortunate mother. Has Scientology warped those two so much that they don’t understand the pain they are causing? You can say that Mister Ed, the talking horse in that old series had more horse sense or common sense than those two have together.

    Here’s a link to a large website that exposes the suffering that Scientology Disconnection causes and the whole thing stinks. Natalie and her family are just one of many victims.

  22. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    What the fuck?! The chances of him becoming a star, at the moment, are minuscule. (I haven't seen/heard any of his music - so I'm happy to be corrected). You're acting like he's on the fucking cusp of getting his big break.

    That's a very silly suggestion. And by that, I mean nothing like that will work, I don't mean to insult you. The onus would be on you (or a journalist or Nat's mother) to prove that he had psychologically coerced Natalie. As long as there is any element of doubt, this strategy is doomed to fail.
    You (or a journalist or Nat's mother) need to provide hard evidence, emotive testimonies by Tony just on its own, will not cut it. We trust him (Tony) because we know him. The general public don't.
  23. grebe Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    There's a distinction between noisy protest of anyone who supports an evil cult verses focused efforts to fuck up a particular individual's career. The former is usually legal; the latter may not be legal in many jurisdictions.

    Lawfags, feel free to chime in here.

    I can imagine several quotes lifted from this thread to support future restraining orders against several anons, combined perhaps with criminal harassment charges.

    I will of course lol if that happens. But I will not lol during the discovery process wherein Moxon convinces some senile old judge who really, really liked Top Gun and "wouldn't mind meeting Mr. Cruise" to order the seizure and duplication of wwp.net 's hard drives.

    That is all.
  24. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Bear in mind that they already have access to (mostly minor) celebrities, via Anton's sister, in that they can attend the same parties & gatherings. (But it isn't going to open any doors, speaking figuratively)

    Ad-hominem, infantile attacks do not help. They make you look unintelligent (IMHO). Which is a shame, because your work on Xenu-Directory.net is nothing short of outstanding. FFS, let people look at the photos and hear the music, and draw their own conclusions! . Stop behaving in a manner that might make you look like a twat :)
  25. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    This point is moot, because there is no career to fuck up!!!!!!

    I do agree with the general tone of what you're saying though. It would be wrong (immoral) for anyone to try anything like that, though it may be hard to enforce. For example, those scoundrels at eBaums World (beyond our control) may do silly things, hiding behind proxies. Even so, what they do might be very ineffective (i.e. pointless).
  26. grebe Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    WELL YES EXACTLY! AND MOREOVER, NOT HERE!

    Is it necessary for me to point out that wwp.net is a public forum, not a private conversation?
  27. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    I’m not a law fag, even about UK law, though I would have thought telling people the truth about the horrifying visits that Anton and his father made to Nat’s mother would be covered by free speech. Further spreading information and warning people about the harm the cult does is in the public interest. Let’s keep within the law and let’s tell people what Anton Loren and his family have done.

    I’m not scared about what [strike]Moron[/strike] Moxon can do to me because he isn’t a UK law fag (specialist in UK law) either though I’m sure Scilons can find UK lawyers that are similar to Monster Moxon.

    No Moxon isn't a Moron, he's intellignet and uses his intelligence, ... errr.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    It's what they do. Lurk moar, you are sounding kind of ignorant.
  29. grebe Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    You don't need to convince Anonymous that the cult is messing Nat up.

    Before you target a private citizen for, perhaps, social embarrassment, reputation damage, or an acute need for emergency dental work, you must be prepared to convince a naive jury that your actions are justified. "Lurk moar" won't cut it.
  30. RolandRB Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

  31. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Is Silene prepared to give evidence before a naive jury about how Scientologists treated her if that becomes necessary?
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY


    Malicious Falsehood is what could be considered in a UK court. Anons might want to take care not to be up against such a charge.

    Malicious falsehood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Just telling the truth about these people and the cult is enough.
  33. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Rick Moxon, as head of OSA-Legal, has long had ties with the UK law firm of Carter-Ruck.

    Carter-Ruck: Contact Us
  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Serena Lorien is a budding actress in Los Angeles. She has been gloating on Twitter & Facebook about her upcoming role on the 2011 sequel of "Superman". The worst thing an actor/actress looks forward to is really bad press... it can sabotage jobs and her career goals.

    If Nat's mother was to give media interviews how she has suffered after Anton & his father made an unannounced visit to her home & threatened her and her daughter refuses to talk to her now... and the resulting interviews roused public interest... and that Serena is close to Anton & his father, it could cause Serena to be un-cast from acting gigs.

    Producers do not like their talent bringing bad juju to a movie before it is released.

    If there was the potential for Serena's acting career to suffer because of her family's bad behavior, it may force Serena's handlers to intervene and put pressure on her family to correct the situtation.. and reunited Nat with her family.

    Call it reverse blackmail on the cult & it's minions.
  35. grebe Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Ah blackmail. A cunning plan.

    Except for this one bit: TALKING ABOUT IT IN A FUCKING PUBLIC FORUM!

    Don't they teach you hoodlums anything these days?
  36. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    You’re right There’s quite a bit on Carter-Ruck and Scientology.

    The founder was asked to retire from a previous law firm. They’ve done a great deal of highly profitable work for high profile clients and readers of Wikipedia article may wonder if some of it was morally questionable.
    Read the whole article yourself and see what you think.

    On a different topic Scientology Disconnection Stories are true and well documented. I can see no evidence for malicious falsehood.
  37. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Silene, mother of Natalie and Serena, sister of Anton Lorien have similar names, Anons take care not to confuse the two.

    More information about Natalie is here. I haven't had time to read it all yet.
  38. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY


    I’ve spent some time reading up the UK law on blackmail from Wikipedia and other sources, see What is blackmail under UK law? and blackmail. Below is a quote.
    1. I believe that demanding the Scientologists stop pressurising Nat and other Scientologists to disconnect from loving families is totally reasonable and warranted.
    2. I believe that exposing how Anton Loren behaved towards Silene, mother of Natalie is reasonable since it enables people to make an informed choice whether or not they want to listen to his music.
    3. I believe that Serena, sister of Anton Lorien is also a Scientologist and to the extent that she is successful in the public field she will be under pressure from Scientologists to use her influence to get fresh recruits into Scientology where these new recruits would be at risk of pressure to disconnect from loved ones and at risk of many other abuses. As a result I believe it is reasonable to warn potential fans of Serena that they should not follow Scientology teachings.


    Therefore I do not believe that the demands I have made amount to blackmail or that the poster I’ve quoted suggested anything amounting to blackmail. I’m not an expert on UK law and my answer is not definitive.

    We badly need advice from UK lawyers here.

    I've asked for advice.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    What many people fail to recognize is, regardless how uninformed Nat may have been to Scientology's intentions, she is 28-years old.

    Her mother may get a sympathetic ear in the media if her daughter was 19-20 years old and starting to discover life on her own, but the fact that Nat has been on her own for awhile will, lead people to question the mother's intentions as being overly possessive.

    We also do not know the personal relationship between Nat & her mother before Nat went into the cult. The cult recruits its fair share of the gullible from dysfunctional families. And where is Nat's father in all of this.

    This doesn't downplay the treachery and ill-mannered behavior of the cult toward Silene. But, it's silly to be plotting how to rescue a 28-year old woman from a situation she willfully got herself into.

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