Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Oh come on. It's not so bad. It still has delicious cocks and vagoos there! You like cocks and vagoos dont you?
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I agree. Many people get caught up in the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult con because it appeals to their inherent desire to fulfill a greater purpose and to truly serve Mankind. The Mind Control Cult uses the inherent good side of many people as an access point to their psyche and then starts scrambling their brains from there. Many do wake up. Usually after a lot of requisite pain. Hopefully, mind controlled JT and his mind controlled wife will be among those that escape.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Travolta: Maybe. He has shown doubt in the past Preston: Fuck no. That bitch is looney.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Your Christian friends don't mean that by hating the sins and not the sinners that the sinners are victims. Lrn2Bible and also Mengele, Stalin, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer.... The people who climbed the ladder of Scientology WERE in it for personal gain, as is true in any money-making corporation.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death There are mostly victims in the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult, IMO. The vast majority in the rank and file for sure. Yes. At the same time, the Cult is a MAGNET TO SOCIOPATHS. Sociopaths are beyond human help and are universally destructive as it is the true nature of their core being. The Mind Control Cult has a higher percentage of sociopaths the farther up the ladder you go...but...not all are sociopaths. Jason Beghe was in the 'inner circle' and he woke up. It is relatively easy to enslave people once the right conditions are met. This was what Elron discovered and exploited. It was the only thing that Elron was about.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death My 2 cents, as an ex-scilon; most likely scenario is JT is still stuck in an ethics cycle, in lower conditions, probably Doubt. JT is probably also taking heat from DM for causing a flap (translation, JT is in trouble with scilons). Its very strange that a news release on this pops up out of nowhere. What is this trying to distract from?
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death How do you know that? Also, what happened to the Evil $pace Alien part? You're not going soft on me are you?
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Stop with the victimization, already. Kids born into Scientology - yeah, they're victims. Have you done a study on sociopathy? How do you know the percentage is higher the farther up one goes? You say sociopaths are beyond human help. Universally destructive? Where in the hell do you get your information? I believe you are gravely mistaken, and perhaps thinking of psychopaths. HOWEVER...let's assume you're correct... If sociopaths are beyond human help, then we better all run like hell from all the exes who were high in the cult, because just by leaving a cult one doesn't shed their mental illness AKA sociopathy and unless we are licensed to diagnose mental illness, we won't know whether they are or aren't sociopaths. Look, we're on the same page as far as the cult being evil and fucked up. But, those who were in the cult need to take responsibility for their actions, even while IN. Please stop citing "evidence" like religion and psychology unless you know what you're talking about.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Well, you're pretty good at misreading posts. I never said all were victims. I also never defined my use of the word victim. Only newborn babies are 100% pure victims. The rest of us has some degree of culpability. Some more. Some less. Obviously, I have had more waking direct experience with sociopathy than you. If you think they can be helped by human means, go ahead and try. Hopefully, there will be enough left of you to carry on some semblence of a life once they are done with you. Really, it may only take one or two serious run ins with sociopaths to cause you enough pain to change your tune. I don't know if you are serious or just another talker. If you are serious, you may wish to start with a pretty good book for uninformed beginners. It's called "The Sociopath Next Door". The sociopath next door: the ... - Google Book Search And yes, everyone should "run like hell" from any and all sociopaths whether they were high up in the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult or not. And they are plentiful in this world. Also, I was clear that not all the higher up exes were sociopaths. (You may want to actually read...and understand...posts before you react half cocked. Here is another fallacy that reveals your woeful lack of understanding. "...unless we are licensed to diagnose mental illness, we won't know whether they are or aren't sociopaths." If you deal with these types they will do what they can to destroy you. Depending on your degree of vulnerability and where they are focused...whether you are "licensed" or not. It behooves all of us to be able to identify sociopathic behavior. You should know that by now. BTW, sociopaths regularly fool people "licensed to diagnose mental illness". And they can also beat lie detector tests. Beating E-Meters is a breeze. The ability to identify and deal with sociopaths is one of the most overlooked life skills ever. To the detriment of the world and everyone in it. As far as not posting until you know what you are talking about. That is a good idea. So...before you post again...read the book, several more, wake up, live some more life, get a lot of waking direct experience,....then get back to me. Thanks.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I'm with Oswald on this. Sociopaths will definitely make you contemplate how much better things would have been if you had never met them. Near the upper ranks of scientology there seems to be a whole lot of people who match the description: "Glibness and Superficial Charm Manipulative and Conning They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. Grandiose Sense of Self Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Pathological Lying Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. Shallow Emotions When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. Incapacity for Love Need for Stimulation Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. Callousness/Lack of Empathy Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. Irresponsibility/Unreliability Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. "
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death "Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. " ***************************** Along with plenty of the other points...doesn't that fit Elron to a "T"? War hero. Indian Blood Brother. Blah. Blah. Blah. The Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF SOCIOPATHY in action. Simply put, it is a sociopathic scheme founded by a sociopath and furthered by sociopathic predators or their psychotic minions. There is nothing else to it. They seek to instill and further sociopathic behavior in people that are not pure sociopaths through typical MIND CONTROL techniques. This is so that the pyschotic minions can bypass their natural restraints and conflicts of conscience in order to more effectively prey on and destroy innocent prey for the benefit of their sociopathic masters. All the TR's and other training is to override the natural conscience (of those that have one) and create a false world where the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult tells you what is 'right' and 'wrong'. That's why the Cult is structured like it is. The Mind Control is because the Evil Cult is based on nothing but BS and, therefore, must be constantly reinforced to keep the psychotics continually hypnotized. The true sociopaths don't need any justification since they are without a conscience, have no guilt and are only in it for what they can get.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Only the hypnotized psychotics. If the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult stopped the constant hypnotic conditioning, most of the pyschotics would wake up. Of course, the true sociopaths don't buy the 'relgion' BS and never did. They just want what they can get out of it. There is not a mentally healthy person that considers an Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult to be anything other than an Evil $pace Alien Mind Control Cult.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Fuck Travolta. I hope Travolta sees Jett's cold dead face everytime he closes his eyes for the rest of his days.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Really? Why doesn't it's chief and head of it's Religious Technology Council take part in it's most sacred ritual known as auditing? Why does it's chief and head of it's Religious Technology Council take part in it's most heinous offense known as squirelling (changing) the sacred technology as defined by L. Ron Hubbard? The leader of the "religion" doesn't adhere to the most sacred practices of this so called religion.... hmmm, sounds almost sociopathic.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Interesting discussion ITT. I've told someone that an ex who is a mutual aquaintance repeatedly exhibits concerning behaviors (almost every one of the traits listed above). I hadn't even seen this list before tonight. Hmm...
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Well, this just proves that the psychs are thoroughly evil. Taking LRH's life story and calling every bit of it "sociopathic"?? RRAAAAEEEEGGGGG
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Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death According to the book "Sociopath Next Door", 1 in 25 or 4% of people are sociopathic. I didn't see any SRS BZNZ scientific studies backing that up, but if we want to accept that figure without argument, there are statistically a lot of sociopaths here on WWP AND a lot of sociopaths into Scientology's nonsense. Start flinging labels around without a firm diagnosis, and it just becomes a lot of loaded words that agitate people, and it doesn't really offer anything useful. Though, yes, it is interesting that a lot of the hallmarks of sociopathic behavior do seem to be behaviors that the cult tolerates, if not actively encourages, and it is interesting that a lot of the more infamous folks associated with the cult also occasionally exhibit behaviors that appear to fit the bill as well. Whether they ARE sociopaths or just playing the part...well, that is a bit more difficult to determine. It's not like any psychiatrists are going to be invited to examine or diagnose any of the worst offenders.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death K, dealing with the original subject, I'm of the opinion that JT is not gonna blow any time soon. Maybe down the road, before this is all over, but not now. Right now we're seeing the foundation of that blow being laid. It felt like to me that death and loss have often been major factors that forced culties to rethink just what Scientology was doing to them, for them, for the world, etc. It's one of those big life points that makes you stop and think, and that's what the cult doesn't want you to ever do, think for yourself. I'm just going off ex-Scn stories here, but that seems like the best source of info. Should we lay off JT? To an extent, but not completely because I think there's still some exploitation to be had here. Relate the low tone scale of JT in 'poons, use it to question the effectiveness of the tech, etc.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death An open letter, of sorts, to John Travolta and everyone else. I recently saw the movie "Bolt". (FTR, it's good, and funny, and has lots of warm fuzzies in it.) Some days later, a parallel struck me between the lead character "Bolt" and the actor, John Travolta, who voiced that character (FTR, again... he did a good job). I was surprised by how poignant the comparison is. *** WARNING: movie spoilers ahead! *** Bolt is a dog who stars in a TV show, only he doesn't know it's a show. He's kept inside a fake world, "Truman Show" style, and is convinced that what happens in front of the cameras (which are hidden from him) is all real. He lives in a world of action, conflict, heroes, and violent, conspiratorial villains. His companion is a young girl, Penny, whose scientist father altered Bolt and gave him super powers just before being kidnapped. His powers afford protection from the constant danger and help him vanquish legions of scum from the world. What he doesn't realize is that everyone around him is acting, and all the violence is carefully staged; nobody is hurt. Even his super-powers are faked by covertly choreographing their effects. He sees only what is scripted for him to see, and believes all the action and drama is heart-poundingly real. By accident, he finds himself suddenly outside the system, in the real world. He finds that he no longer has any super powers, and eventually discovers that his entire wide-eyed existence has been a gigantic fraud with him playing an unwitting role in entertaining and benefitting others. He then has to choose what to do about it. He decides, out of devotion, to make his way back to Penny, still convinced that they are truly friends despite the unreality of everything else in his previous fake life. He manages to do this with the help of a few other ordinary animals he meets along the way. (Early on, as a cat is trying to help him, he calls her "a degenerate creature of darkness" because in his TV show pseudo-reality the only cats he knows are in league with the villains.) When he finally does find Penny again, a situation arises where he has to use his real-life, normal doggy abilities to save her from death when she becomes trapped alone in a dangerous place. OK, so what does any of that have to do with Travolta? Here's what: In real life, John Travolta has been living a phony life inside the cult of Scientology since he was a young adult. The "Church" of Scientology has convinced him that Scientology's "father", L. Ron Hubbard, has bequeathed "tech" to him which has given him super-powers. He is coddled and celebrated by everyone in the cult, as he is used by them to entertain millions and draw the unwary into their clutches. (Here the analogy fails on one obvious point: Travolta of course is well aware of the fact that his stardom attracts people to Scientology.) The cult brings its stars to large meetings MC'd by current cult lord David Miscavige. There, they are shown glitzy videos and regaled with impressive-sounding statistics, complete with accompanying Hollywood-style melodramatic soundtracks and spotlights sweeping the crowd, all concocted to prop up the illusion that John (and the other Scientologists) are superheroes quite literally saving the world. Actually though, John Travolta has no more super powers than anyone else does. To pretend otherwise is a farce, yet that is exactly what this cult does, just as all the humans in Bolt's life carefully cultivated the belief in him that he was "supercanine". John and his wife were blessed with a son, Jett. Much as a dog faithfully protects its owner, it is a father's duty to protect his children. While I know virtually nothing about the Travolta family, I assume that this pattern held true for them in at least some ways. I sincerely mean to cast no aspersions on the character of Mr. Travolta here. But a disturbing difference emerges at this point between the fictional "Bolt" and Mr. Travolta's own life. Just as Penny became endangered and needed Bolt to use his normal-dog powers to save her, Jett was physically infirm to the point of endangering his life, and required help categorically suppressed by the cult. In this case, he appears (at least according to those who know about such things, which I don't) to have been autistic. Scientology refuses to recognize autism; misdiagnosing the problem, they unsurprisingly misprescribe a cure. Without the proper treatment, Jett (and any other autistic person) becomes endangered and in need of saving from the lunacy of "Scientology". John Travolta, sans any super powers, certainly had the wherewithal to get his son any kind of treatment available. Sadly, Travolta did not break out of his phony superhero "Truman Show" in time to use his ordinary mortal dad powers to save his son Jett. Jett Travolta died earlier this year under suspicious circumstances, evidently the latest victim of Hubbard's delusional teachings. We can only hope that things change before this happens again, to someone else's child. You could have been a hero, for real, John! Maybe you still can, even if not for your own son. Beyond the fake life surrounding you, there are thousands of us "wogs" (Hubbard's word for non-Scientologists) who truly care for others, the way most Scientologists want to in their heart. Just like those goofy animals in "Bolt", we are real friends; we won't arrogantly disconnect from you or anyone else just because you believe this or don't believe that. We don't demand huge payments in order to tell you whatever we know; we'll tell you anything, any time, free. We aren't trying to get your money. And we aren't selling snake oil; we want every child to get the _correct_ treatment for their illness. We have no super powers, and we never will. But then, nobody does. It's only a question of when you choose to acknowledge that. You missed your cue for Jett, but there are countless more endangered by L. Ron Hubbard's quackery. As difficult as it must be to accept, your path to real hero status takes you right back to ordinary mortal existence. It runs straight through the veil of lies surrounding you and into the real world beyond -- just like little Bolt. (tl;dr: "Bolt" is nearly a parable representing Travolta's actual life.)
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Personally I blame the state of Travolta's mind on that guy Tony Christman.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death There's no way he'd be upset about his kid dying earlier this year? 1. O rly? 2. STFU
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I love how this thread is now about OSA, what kind of cult Scientology is, and psychiatry.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death It's the new version of shitposting. Shitposting 2.0. This thread is now about John Travolta GlossLip Glosslip Exclusive: Daily Mail Threatened By Church of Scientology, Forced To Pull Travolta Story
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I think he means there's no way he'd be allowed to show his grief to the extent it's reaching the press.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Maybe the Scis are using this as a sympathy ploy for Travolta, so more people will go see the movie out of curiosity to see if Travolta being so distraught showed up in his acting. Wouldn't put it past them to use his pain and suffering for shameless PR. TIN FOIL HAT SECURELY IN PLACE
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death maybe the guy, Scilon or not, is just really mourning the loss of his son...
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I hope he is. It proves he hasn't completely lost his humanity.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Such sweeping generalizations rarely hold up. None of that means that it isn't a religion to its followers. ZOMG OSA!
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death Fuck john travolta and the thetan he rode in on./
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death You mean the thetans that rode in on him. tee hee
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death I'd like to think JT is perhaps feeling "mixed emotions" right now. I'd like to think this might lead to an epiphany resulting in him decrying the scilons and going on a mission to do some real good in the world perhaps by sponsoring research in to autism and treatment regimes. I'd like to think that, but you're probably right. :-( As to the foundation, I thought they "set it up" but that as you say probably means they lent Jett's name to it and like as not it has scilon connections somewhere along the way. And yes, I definitely would not want the scilons in charge of cleaning up anything, or in charge of anything for that matter.
Re: Travolta 'struggling' five months after son's death But it could mean that the cult head, aka David Miscavige, is a socio-path, which is what I interpreted "anonymous" to mean. David Miscavige certainly does not practice nor adhere to the teachings of scientology. He is not making progress up The Bridge. David Miscavige is not doing NOTs or OTs, L Ron Hubbard did because he had to in order to "research" it. David Miscavige is simply using the organisation called the church of scientology as an environment where he can do anything and get away with it. He doesn't give a shit about clearing the planet as long as the money keeps coming in. David Miscavige doesn't believe the literally mind numbing stats he spews at the start of any major presentation have meaning because he knows they don't; they're just a means to numb attendants' minds so they accept the rest of the bilge that is designed to get them to cough up another small fortune for his various on going "make David Miscavige happy" campaigns - also referred to as: "The Global Obliteration of Psychiatry", "the Ideal Org drive", "the library books drive" "Volunteer Ministers" "10,000 on NOTS drive" etc. etc. None of which has anything to do with John Travolta possibly suffering a justifiable bout of guilt with respect to the tragic death of his son Jett Travolta. One hopes JT gets the message that while he should feel guilty because he could have acknowledge his sons' real problem and had him properly cared for (instead of putting him the care of some dubious half wit) that he can make amends by denouncing the very cult that lead him to deny his son proper treatment and care.
