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The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

Discussion in 'Education, Research and Inside Reports' started by juche, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. juche Member

    The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    For whatever reason, I went to the CCHR's webpage today (which, by the way, is one of the ugliest websites ever amirite) and found their section on 'hooking the world on psychiatric drugs' where they have an entire pamphlet on 'The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs'. These sorts of things amuse me to no end, so I was like what the hell, I'll peep this and see how much they lie here. Somehow they managed to make six classes of drugs forty pages long which is just fucking insane, but as I got into it, I realised how they were able to make it so long. Conditions highlighted in red are ones whose side effects were listed and therefore their side effect should no longer have a place on the list, and the ones faded out are either duplicates or the aforementioned conditions-listed-side-effects-listed.

    The first section is stimulants (page 3).

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    The second is newer antidepressants (page 9).

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    The third is older antidepressants (pages 16-17).

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    The fourth is anti-psychotics (pages 19-20).

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    The fifth is anti-anxiety drugs (pages 25-26).

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    The last is lithium (page 30) -- please note that it will cause excessive saliva in the mouth.

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    Isn't it amazing how much shorter and less terrifying those lists become when the bullshit is cut out :D? Also it was really funny to me on the side effects page where they had a disclaimer: 'WARNING: No one should stop taking any psychiatric drug without the advice and assistance of a competent, non-psychiatric, medical doctor' yet they specifically post withdrawal symptoms in like... all of the above. There would be no list at all if we removed those, oh dear.

    And I know I have no life but I'm studying to be a psychiatric nurse so this sort of stuff is like porn to me.
  2. twistedpuppet Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    :p You do the oddest things to keep from studying.
  3. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    ... stfu XD
  4. Vir Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    This is the kind of thing you should get published somewhere, even if it's just a school paper. If you are afraid of giving away your name, maybe you can tip off someone else to do it.
  5. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    If I had time, I'd also go through and see if there's actually scientific proof that any of those problems exist with the list of medications. It really bothers me how they have everything categorised especially because they have things like TCAs and MAOIs thrown together with each other -- I wouldn't give my worst enemy an MAOI because there are so many drug-drug and drug-food interactions, but TCAs, whilst not insanely effective above placebo, are very safe. Throwing together classes like that is bullshit because looking at the list, people have no clue which medication causes which symptom. There could be medications on their list that have none of the side effects listed but by virtue of their use, they're throwing them in with the rest. BULLSSHIIIITTT.
  6. Lednir Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Mmm, science.

    Wait, are "Darkening of the urine" and "Dreaming more than usual" supposed to be a negative side effects? I can't really see that as all that problematic.

    Also, if there was any proof that they did the things listed, (ie there was a clinically significant increase in the number of people that suffered from these problems) it would legally have to be written on the form inside the packet; there's little point looking for scientific evidence for it, because if there was it'd be listed. They've probably gone by hearsay or just completely made it up.
  7. xenudu Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    It's Scientology! Of course they're going to make it outrageous. You know what they're like about ze drugs and trying to scare people off them.
  8. tonguetied Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Yeah, but again, living with them is preferable to living without in many cases.

    :) *waving*
  9. Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    We should do something against Scientology!
  10. shadowchaser Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    most of those lists could equally be a list of side effects of scientology

    aggressive behaviour, hallucinations, zombie like state etc etc.
  11. xenudu Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Scientology is a terrible thing! I have an idea! Lets have monthly protests!!
  12. Evil Zoe Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    What a ridiculous idea!

    As if we could get people from all over the world, say OVAR 9000! to all show up at CoS orgs all on the same day.

    Utter rubbish!
  13. xenudu Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    You're right. It was very silly and foolish of me to even think for a moment that it could happen. :( :( :(
  14. WDF WDF Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    So when are we going to open our own museum. Scientology, a Cult of Death?

    I swear we have enough material for it...

    I could just see the scifags outside of it with their own signs lol.
  15. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Oh God, that would be so beautiful XD!!
  16. Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Open it up right across the street from the celebrity center.
  17. xenuluvsu Member

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    ^^^ This i would go to my kind sir. will it have traveling exhibitions set up near the orgs?
  18. Grace Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    I wish Scientologists would stop taking all medications, especially antibiotics, when their really sick.

    Scientology please beware. Antibiotics have serious side effects.

    I can dream, can't I?
  19. Hostile Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    yeah... I'm pretty sure the average anxiety drug doesn't cause a coma

    also, a listed symptom is
    RAGE
  20. anonymized Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Just wondering why they don't go on crusades against other LETHAL DRUGS, such as Aspirin... just look at what the FDA has to say about that KILLER DRUG:
    That beats constipation any day...

    Of course, it's not as fun if you read more about it, but still... take anything out of context, forget incidence rates for the rare ones, and you can have a ball!
  21. Hostile Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    that's why tylenol (ascenaminophen?) has always been my choice

    anyway, incidence rates play a big part, definitely.
    it is usually difficult to find a drug that has only one effect on the body.

    ie, morphine: dulls pain, but reduces brainpower and alertness (also addictive)

    pharmaseudical companies are greedy and such, but they wouldn't make products that have a serious incidence of major side effects. that's just basic business.
  22. auchraw Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Patient.co.uk lists drugs and side-effects.
  23. Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    From http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH7_2A.HTM (proxy condom advised)

  24. Hostile Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    lol, they think doctors don't know how medicine works.

    basic med: drug metabolizes in body. causes chemical changes in affected area. effect wears off when dgug gets filtered out by enzymes, filtration, kidneys, liver etc.

    and then they go on to explain that it affects the soul instead...

    honestly, do these people even believe in an immune system (ie: white blood cells and antibodies?)

    surely hubbard had at least understood cells? right?

    also:
    sensations and joys such as cancer and flesh eating disease! YAY
  25. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Aspirin and acetaminophen scare the fuck out of me -- I'd much, MUCH rather be taking my daily lamotrigine than getting either anywhere near me.
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  27. WTF Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs



    OMG! I bet Drugs.com | Prescription Drugs - Information, Interactions & Side Effects is in cahoots with Scientology/CCHR/Narconon.

    Just look at this big ass list of side effects they show for Vicodin:




    " Vicodin side effects

    Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat. Call your doctor at once if you have any of these serious side effects:

    • shallow breathing,
    • slow heartbeat;
    • feeling light-headed,
    • fainting;
    • confusion
    • fear
    • unusual thoughts or behavior;
    • seizure (convulsions);
    • problems with urination
    • nausea
    • stomach pain
    • loss of appetite
    • itching
    • dark urine
    • clay-colored stools
    • jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).

    Less serious side effects may include:

    • feeling anxious
    • feeling dizzy
    • feeling drowsy
    • mild nausea
    • vomiting
    • upset stomach
    • constipation;
    • headache
    • mood changes;
    • blurred vision;
    • ringing in your ears
    • dry mouth.

    This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Tell your doctor about any unusual or bothersome side effect."



    Have you ever looked at a circular available in the original drug company package or simply in a Physician's Desk Reference? Drugs have multiple effects. This is not news.

    Drug companies also want to cover their asses for proper disclosure and/or attacks from ambulance chasers.
  28. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    That doesn't mean that they need to repeat the same side effects phrased differently three different ways. They're just doing it to make it all seem more scary because they know very few people are going to actually read the list of side effects -- most will just look at the length of the list and leave it at that.

    Also, you list the side effects of Vicodin, but you don't say in there that these are not only the side effects of hydrocodone but also oxymorphone, nicomorphine, dihydrocodeine, diacetylmorphine and oxycodone because they all happen to be semisynthetic opioid derivatives which is what they're doing here in saying things like ALL new antidepressants cause these side effects.
  29. AnonyK23 Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    You mean to say, most people are going to say "ZOMG SIDE EFFECTS!!!!!!!1111" and run away screaming, never mind that something that is potent enough to have actual effects will also have side effects.

    Nevermind understanding what a rare vs common vs very rare side effect is. No. We can't have that. And CCHR KNOWS that people don't generally know that and are paranoid about side effects.
  30. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    hahahaha, EXACTLY.
  31. Zak McKracken Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    LOL WUT
    What exactly have you got against Mao?
    That his revolution was more "successful"?
    That his people are thriving, prospering, taking over the world,
    while yours beg for table scraps?

    I'd have thought MAO would be someone you look up to, even admire.
    Even his approach to psychiatry - his cadres set out to combine TCM with Western drug therapy - offer far more promise than either alone.

    jellis much?
  32. WTF Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Akkkk, carrying pictures of Chairman Mao is so passe'

  33. TheBitch Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    "Darkening of the urine" can indicate stress on the liver in processing a drug or it can be an early indicator of a range of illnesses. Often, in today's world it's an indicator of the start of a Hepatitis infection. Essentially it usually indicates stress on the liver. Interesting, large doses of niacin ALSO cause dark urine.

    "Dreaming more than usual," I don't see as a problem. If what they meant to say were "lucid dreaming," in which you're for all intents and purposes THERE.. then yes, that can be a legit side effect concern.

    I had a retroviral medication once that cause lucid dreaming and it was 6 weeks of sheer agony. If I went to bed on a good note, then everything was all right. But after the first BAD dream, I couldn't help but go to bed worried every night.

    On the medication fact sheet it was VERY clearly stated that 2 percent of the people who used the drug had reported suicidal ideation, parasuicidal behaviors, or had successfully killed themselves as a result of lucid dreams. Advice was given on how to deal with lucid dreaming and to discontinue taking the medication at once if negative side effects occurred.

    The ALTERNATIVE to taking the drug, at least for me, was death. There's a part of the equation good ol' $cientologists keep forgetting to mention as well. What are the "side effects" from choosing not to take drugs?

    After 5 or 6 weeks the side effect passed as the drug literature and my internist both predicted.

    Ultimately, what $cientologists are decrying are side effects which every doctor should be explaining to patients, and which patients themselves HAVE to consider before CHOOSING to try a given medication. They act as though this information is secret or withheld from patients, rather than publicly published in any number of legitimate sources.

    Doctors are responsible for presenting OPTIONS. Patients are responsible for weighing information and making choices among available options, or to CHOOSE to do nothing at all. Basically, $cientologists have completely written off the free will portion of the program and are alleging that doctors care so very deeply about controlling the world that they force meds down everybody's throats.

    All of them ($cientologists) should die in a fire. Just because their free will has been destroyed, does not mean the rest of us don't check shit out and make choices before we put drugs in our bodies. $cientologists would like us to think there's narcotics in M&M's and we apparently just don't know it.

    Death to the Luddite scum.
  34. the_cloak Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    From what I understand, when they do testing of the drugs, any and all things people report have to be listed as possible side effects, even if only one person out of a 10000 person study says so. So if that one person says their ears turned blue (and I think doctor has to verify anything that can be physically verified), then they have to include it.
  35. juche Member

    Re: The Side Effects of Common Psychiatric Drugs

    Yeah, for individual drugs, but you wouldn't say it applies to every drug in the class.
  36. The Wrong Guy Member

    Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears | Psych Central News

    New research suggests acetaminophen (Tylenol) may help individuals overcome non-specific fear and anxiety brought about by thinking about death or the human condition.

    According to lead researcher Daniel Randles and colleagues at the University of British Columbia, the new findings suggest that Tylenol may have more profound psychological effects than previously understood.

    The study, which posits an expanded view of how the human brain processes different kinds of pain, is published in the journal Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.

    “Pain exists in many forms, including the distress that people feel when exposed to thoughts of existential uncertainty and death,” says Randles.

    “Our study suggests these anxieties may be processed as ‘pain’ by the brain — but Tylenol seems to inhibit the signal telling the brain that something is wrong.”

    The study builds on recent American research that found acetaminophen — the generic form of Tylenol — can successfully reduce the non-physical pain of being ostracized from friends.

    Prior research has also determined that when the richness, order and meaning in life is threatened — with thoughts of death, for instance — people tend to reassert their basic values as a coping mechanism.

    Continued at
    http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/0...ems-to-ease-some-existential-fears/53821.html
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