Re: The Internet War Wow. Just wow. That was a great read. I hadn't thought the conflict between the U.S. and WikiLeaks had gotten like that.
Re: The Internet War a bit spooky... i mean, i can truly understand both sides of the argument - but at the same time i also understand just how important it is to keep people honest via transparency of information. when we cannot trust primary sources to divulge information, or mass media to relay this information, then we need impartial information repositories like this. at the same time then operational security is quite important when fighting a ground war, like the US in the middle east, but at the same time that secrecy should not be an excuse to hide war crimes or similar poor conduct. it is a very tricky situation - and this article captures this perfectly
Re: The Internet War Making operational security completely impossible is a good thing. it means countries can no longer send their black teams across borders to do shit to democraticly elected governments just because they refuse to sell oil at a certain price. It also means soldiers on the ground will die in huge amounts. Having soldiers die en masse is good as it will make prospective soldiers reconsider their brainless carreer path. The only good soldier, after all, is a dead soldier.
Re: The Internet War Very good read. Wikileaks is down for maintainance atm, but everyone should go download their secret weapon. And it is indeed SUPA SEEKRET. No one knows how to decode it but it's speculated that contained in this 1.4gig file there's something so dirty and significant that for it to disappear would be disasterous, but to release it would be... complicating for some very important people. Probably the U.S gov. Won't this be fun? Go download it and wait for the fireworks when the U.S try to touch Assange or Wikileaks. It's our duty really, as arseholes. WikiLeaks Posts Mysterious ‘Insurance’ File | Threat Level | Wired.com BBC News - Secret lock on Wikileaks 'insurance file'
Re: The Internet War Last WikiLeaks twit: sounds fun, doesn't it? ps Some troops are just reserves being called up for duty.
Re: The Internet War The latest Cryptome update says, quote: Wikileaks Feint The Wikileaks tweet to download its "insurance" file appears to be a feint to misinform about its next releases. Assange's long-tweet and attack on Wired appears a part of the feint. Daniel Schmitt's and "insiders" falling out with Assange appear a part of the feint. The several leaks to the media and joint newsmaking about what the next leak appears a part of the feint. Wikileaks being down for several weeks appears a part of the feint. Taunting US DoD appears part of the feint. The Swedish rape allegation appears part of the feint. Feint from what? 1. The alleged 260,000 diplomatic cables taken by Bradley Manning and passed on to Wikileaks. These would be of much greater significance than the Aghan military files and any Iraq war files. 2. The diplomatic cables have dropped off the media radar and seemingly the concern of the administration. That would be consistent with a campaign to diminish interest in them by emphasizing the more outrage-arousing military files and threat to servicemembers and Afghan agents. A feint by the administration. 3. The lesser known diplomatic cables are far more informative about US policy than the type of military files released by Wikileaks. And their release would be considerably more damaging to the US than the military files. 4. Hints that the the next Wikileaks release will be Iraq war files would set the stage for a much greater shock when unexpected material is released -- diplomatic cables or materials not yet identified, possibly on senior US governmental officials in the three branches and on the officials of other governments -- and could also divert any US attempt to block the material as if it consisted of "national security" information, the basis of most stringent multi-national intervention. 5. Disclosure of illegality or scandalous behavior of government officials -- US and others -- would be more damaging than release of military data for it would break the case for national security intervention and lead to the withdrawal of military investigation -- it would greatly please the military to be relieved of blame for insecurity. It would turn the spotlight on the civilian USG and engender public support for investigation of malfeasance in high office, the justification for that has been amply demonstrated. 6. Lessons learned from the Afghan war release are to not repeat what was done before but use that expectation as a ploy. Instead: 7. Release in multiple batches not a single bombshell, in timed releases not all at once. 8. Release through arrangements with multiple parties who may or may not know of each other. 9. Release in multiple outlets not associated with the media, which may or may not know of each other. 10. Release to other governments and openly, none knowing about the other. 11. Release to other governments covertly, none knowing about the other. 12. Release false and padded information along with, or instead of, legitimate material, as placebos; declare this openly and keep secret certain aspects. 13. Withhold information and declare this openly. 14. Withhold information and keep this secret, with perhaps a taste hinted. 15. Do not overly focus on military intel fatuity, continue to go too far covering political, economic, religious, educational, humanitarian, NGO, personal -- other leak and secrecy two coin sides, anti-leak and anti-secrecy shills, FOIA and whistleblower sanctimones, media, advertising and their comedians, TLAs and their pensions bloat, defense and anti-war warlovers, lobbying and political lawyers NGO manipulators, ex-spies flogging spy-contracts with national security threat-mongering, venerable public heros and award-granting leeches, organized anything industries. 16. Beware lawyers with backbone plumage and strut, they are officers of the state obliged to shop you for law and order. 17. Establish several means of "insurance," some open, some secret far better than always duplicitous insurance. 18. Continue to prepare future releases under the feint of dramatic releases. 19. Release by little noticed seepage through means not easily recognized. 20. Encourage a thousand Wikileaks openly, some fake, some seemingly opposed, some sacrificial bait, then more out of sight. 21. Use the brand to mislead. Pretend to be what is most easily attackable by experienced opponents. 22. Feint, stab, feint, stab. Ever more devious in getting forbidden information out about those who are desperate to control it. Beware corrupting heirarchy, feint it. 23. Avoid the money trap, it is all dirty. 24. Pretend to trust insiders and the core, expect betrayal, that is what insiders and core are for.
Re: The Internet War I think the tendency of the internet to wage Peace is the main objection of the over-funded war-mongers and political parasites and their mob mentality agencies. Amirite?
Re: The Internet War Yes and no. The internet does wage peace. In an absolutely unrelenting way. It opens lines of communication, and allows people to learn about and empathize with each-other. But not everyone uses it for that. And any conflict that would be violent IRL is going to result in online dialog that is incredibly nasty. So the internet is a place of conflict, of fighting, of insults and hurt feelings. But that war of words diffuses many conflicts. If it weren't for the internet, the current economic crisis would already have moved far more countries to outright revolution, and we might already be in the midst of WWIII. And there's still no guarantee it won't reach that point - but if it doesn't, I'm convinced the internet will deserve the vast majority of the credit for avoiding that outcome. So yeah. The internet isn't some lovey-dovey bastion of tolerance where everything's peachy and nobody ever gets their feelings hurt. But it does work directly against the waging of war. And not enough people realize this yet.
Re: The Internet War It's pretty clear to most casual observers that this isn't much of a 'war'. It's essentially a floppy haired oddball called Julian versus a bloated over-rated US intelligence committee. I don't have much regard for either side. I do admire the efficiency and effectiveness (until recently) of the Wikileaks portal to provide a source of background info on the world's ills, especially in the field of warmongering, but I think Mr Assange overestimates his own importance. There is no doubt he has shown the internet users a way forward, exposing inhuman practices in the course of a real war by way of encrypted sources and dissemination of information, which of course can never die. But look at his foe - the US government. Still hopelessly chasing after Bin Laden, nearly a decade after the 9/11 atrocities, still destroying their own people with 'friendly fire', and to the world's eye, still a bunch of fat stupid redneck yes-men with their pudgy fingers hovering over the big red button in the name of "freedom" whilst still trying to strip the planet of the very freedoms they claim to be fighting for. Which is precisely why they will never win any 'internet war', the technology has moved beyond their reach, and the piracy war and the #wankers project has demonstrated to the world that nobody has global jurisdiction over the internet. They must be kicking themselves that the internet was allowed to get so far. But it has. It is a new world, and it is one where people have been raised to express their unbridled opinions. The best thing the US Govt can do is to be like China or some far out Islamic state - censor the internet - then they will simply become a global joke. Because no matter what the powers that be try to do - there will always be an internet. There is no switch to shut it down. And the people who run the internet are the same people who control the flow of information, and they will fight to the death to protect that right, which is why you can still Google whatever you like in China if you know the backdoors, and you can still decimate a company's reputation by means of a few well placed websites. And much like with $cientology - there is nothing the lawyers can do about it. All they can do is wait and pick off the vulnerable targets - the power of the many will never diminish, and the power of ridicule against such inhuman bastards is so much more effective than any gun. I'm proud to be Anonymous and proud to be witness to such an important shift in human history. No Pasaran!
Re: The Internet War Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.
Re: The Internet War I thought that movie was pretty over-rated, and that kid from Star Wars still only looks about 12 to me, so none of teh sex... It does amuse me that some corridor of the Pentagon is filled with sweaty nervous fat men concerned with floppy haired Julian and his ability to share anonymous information over the internet, and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. It makes me think that all the thousands of hours I have spent hovering over a keyboard and monitor when I have been doing productive work rather than looking for porn were all worthwhile. And as much as I would like to see Osama Bin Laden screaming whilst burning in a fire - all the armies in all the world cannot even manage to do that, never mind post it up on YouTube. Having Saddam hung was a bit useless, after all he had nothing to do with 9/11, and he was an easy target. And there were no lulz. Anyway, I've said my bit. Don't want to derail the thread anymore than I already have. Let me know when David Miscavige has the courage to appear on TV without hiring 700 bodyguards/fake Scientology supporters. In the meantime I will be fapping violently to the early Blondie videos.
Re: The Internet War Don't know if you TL;DR'ed my post - but videos of the illegal and immoral deaths of innocent people such as those on this film are not the same as watching the no doubt forthcoming gratuitous death videos of Bin Laden, of which there are currently none. US Government = fail 4chan would have crucified Osama by now. I would like to see genuine revenge for the 9/11 attacks, in the form of little Osama's body convulsing on the ground as the flames lick at his head. But this is apparently impossible to see, as the drones and the intel and all the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't let the terrorist get caught again... I'm not a conspiracy theory obsessed shithead, but nearly ten years?? C'mon...
Re: The Internet War It's a shame that the internet is rooted in the real world, isn't it? So the US government, with its huge amounts of power in the real world, can declare a state of emergency and shut our servers down by force. And for all your fine words, you won't be able to do shit about it, unless you want to be shot. Yes, they'd look like twats. But don't go on about them being powerless. I get as excited about the information revolution as the next dork, but we're not a sovereign state, we haven't got an army, and when you talk out of your arse it makes everybody look stupid.
Re: The Internet War ...again: Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. p.s I agree, but they can't stop people talking (they're not going to get all totalitarian over this) and they have no jurisdiction when it comes to turning off servers external to the US. Eg. TVShack's relocation.
Re: The Internet War And this is where is gets real - I'm not about to get shot without shooting back. I don't know what state you're posting from, or what state of mind you are in, but from where I am sat the US Government has about as much say in what I can or cannot download or upload as does Hifikepunye Pohamba, the President of Namibia. And he be one lenient motherfucker when it comes to downloading Blondie videos. I seen that crazy ass jigga get low when we be droppin' the "Rapture" with all that Grandmaster Flash shit, motherfucker loves that shit fo' real.
Re: The Internet War I dunno, a nuke or an extinction level event such as an earthquake or meteor might not be such a bad thing. Us humans need a lesson in humility. Look how we've fucked the planet up.
Re: The Internet War You assume to know what is good for an entire species and the planet. Humility huh?
Re: The Internet War I don't believe a nuke could knock out humanity in its entirety. I like to think the good stuff would survive.
Re: The Internet War Also - I was not being entirely serious. I do however tire of the arrogance that humankind is somehow the dominant lifeforce on the planet, when we know only around 8 percent of that which occurs in the deep seas.
Re: The Internet War Heh. I'm posting from the UK, from a mindset that sees a lot of this sort of thing: Once they make something illegal, they're within their rights to send the police in, arrest you and destroy your property. And make you a "criminal", not a citizen. We have to make it clear that the government is the people and the people are us, not wait for the laws to be enacted. Because once they get the guns out, they've won.
Re: The Internet War Sadly, true. But they're coming after us anyway. Why not fight now, before we can't? "At first they came for the Pirates, but I was not a... oh." P.s we aren't the government. People aren't the government. You're a fucking Brit, you know that. We accidentally voted in a Tory government. No one voted for our government. They damn well aren't the public. We're the public and we know what's best for us. Freedom of Information is pretty key IMHO regarding what's best for the public.
Re: The Internet War Here's a follow-up for anyone interested. The WikiLeaks website is still down. A possible explanation can be found here: The WikiLeaks Twitter page now says this:
Re: The Internet War I know what's not good...one species crowding all the others off the planet, and poisoning what's left.
