The Gulen Movement

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Anonymous, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Anonymous Member

    I was bumping into charter schools that gave off a weird New Age culty flavor much like Scientology. Just found out the reason: the Gulen movement.

    It's pretty big, actually. The founder, Fethullah Gulen, had to flee Turkey, cuz his sneaky cult pissed off a lot of people there. He now lives in Pennsylvania and is reported to be worth about $25 billion dollars.

    Most critical info written about Gulen is in Turkish, which sucks.

    Just wanted to give you vigilant faggots a heads up. Copypasta below.

    What is a Gulen charter school?

    A Gulen charter school is a publicly-funded charter school that was founded and is run by individuals who are secretly followers of a Turkish imam named Fethullah Gulen. Gulen's followers are called Gulenists, and collectively they form a worldwide covert network called the Gulen Movement. The key defining feature of Gulen charter schools is that control of the schools' policies and (most importantly) finances lies entirely in the hands of Gulenists. This allows the Gulenists to use the schools in ways that further the Gulen Movement's goals. The infiltration of the Gulen Movement into our publicly-funded education system has been made possible by a perfect storm of very lax charter school regulation; the current political climate favoring expansion of charter schools; the Gulenists' unparalleled skills at marketing, deception, and intimidation; the presence of influential sympathizers in our government and in academia; and an extreme reluctance on the part of many journalists, academicians and government officials to involve themselves in this issue for fear they might be labeled as Islamophobic or xenophobic.

    Where are the Gulen charter schools, and how many are there?

    The list of names of Gulen charter schools currently in operation in the US is given here at our companion site, which is about the Gulen Movement. Another blogger is also keeping count of the number of schools. At last count, 119 are currently in operation, in 25 different states, and the Gulenists are actively proposing and founding new ones (20 are currently in the works, and another 38 are known to have been attempted but never materialized).

    What sort of information can I find here?

    One of the most controversial aspects of these schools has been the public denials made by Gulenist administrators that there is any connection with the Gulen Movement. Many of the pages here are compilations of evidence that a strong connection exists. Other pages explore additional issues of concern about these publicly-funded schools. Our companion site, A Guide to the Gulen Movement's Activities in the US, has more information about the Gulen Movement in general, as the charter schools are only one aspect of this movement's growing influence in our country and around the world.

    What are the characteristics of Gulen charter schools?

    The following characteristics apply to nearly all of the over 100 Gulen charter schools across the country. Some exceptions exist; for example, the Young Scholars of Central Pennsylvania charter school appears to emphasize languages instead of the usual math/science emphasis. Some of the newer Harmony schools in Texas have names suggesting themes such as art, nature or political science. Nevertheless, there are strong commonalities among all these schools.

    • Emphasis on math
    • School advertised as emphasizing science, yet laboratory facilities are inferior to comparable schools and science classes have minimal or nonexistent experimental component
    • Small select group of students receives intense math coaching and attends numerous math competitions, including Mathcounts; awards generate much positive publicity for school
    • Free after-school tutoring; in some cases Gulenist teachers tutor in students' homes
    • Automated online information system for students' grades and assignments is highly touted as allowing for parental involvement, yet system is not kept current, and may be inconsistent, inaccurate or difficult to navigate
    • Emphasis on science fairs; for most students science project is mandatory
    • Students encouraged to participate in ISWEEEP (Gulenist-run science fair); hotel stay in Houston paid by school
    • Robotics clubs; participation in robotics competitions
    • Home visits offered to all families
    • Major emphasis on awards, mostly won by small fraction of the students
    • Unusually high scores on standardized tests, even with very challenging student demographics
    • Classes divided according to ability in math
    • Turkish language classes; Turkish mandatory in some grade levels; very limited selection of foreign language classes besides Turkish
    • Turkish culture emphasis, e.g., Turkish dance clubs
    • School-sponsored Turkey trips
    • Large number of Turkish/Turkic teachers
    • Participation of students in Turkish Language Olympics
    • Unusually high number of H1B visa applications
    • Many teachers have poor English skills
    • High teacher turnover
    • Gulenist teachers spend unusual amounts of time with students in extracurricular activities or socializing
    • Sleepovers, especially for select group of students participating in math competitions
    • In communications with parents, school awards and achievements are relentlessly emphasized and not put into perspective relative to other non-Gulenist schools
    • Chronic problems with special education compliance
    • Turkish/Turkic teachers and administrators have no work experience in education outside of the Gulen school network
    • School not under local control
    • Application forms are excessively detailed, requiring information that legally cannot be used to determine admission
    • Relentless promotion of school through frequent press releases
    • Continual courting of public officials by administration
    • School administration nearly exclusively Gulenist males of Turkish or Turkic ethnicity
    • Hiring practices favor Gulenists over equally qualified American teachers or administrators
    • Achievements of female teachers minimized or ignored
    • Opportunities for career development much greater for Gulenist teachers and administrators than for American employees
    • Parental involvement encouraged in principle, but steered towards fundraising and supporting school; administration is authoritarian while attempting to appear otherwise
    • Character education classes
    • School inaccurately claims to have few or no discipline or bullying problems
    • Gulenist teachers often highly inexperienced in classroom management
    • In some schools, excessive use of out-of-school suspensions for discipline
    • No trained school counselors
    • School uniforms required; must be purchased from school
    • Dwindling enrollment with each successive year of high school
    • Sophisticated school security systems in established schools
    • In geographical areas where chain of schools has been established, flagship school is usually of higher quality

    by CASILIPS - Citizens Against Special Interest Lobbying in Public Schools
  2. hmm.....
    in the wise monotonous words of ann o'nymous
  3. JohnnyRUClear Member

    $25B is nothing to sneeze at.

    I see there are none of these near me. Texas looks like a hotbed for them.

    Interesting, indeed.
  4. BAAL Member

    well the good news is after we finish off CO$ this can keep us ocupy.
  5. journo Member

    They are the real success behind Turkey's government at the moment. Supporting the AKP government financially in all aspects. Their secret work in the Security forces especially the police is very strong. Journalist Ahmet Sik's unpublished book was going to reveal all these secret activities but he was arrested by the "Army of the Imam", (the police) this is the name of the book as well.,39890.html
  6. Anonymous Member

    So what do Gulenists actually believe?
  7. journo Member

    Power and soft type of islamism. But they are a huge cult around the world. Yes they do help people out greatly but all they interested in is winning a more members. They are becoming sort of a Muslim Brothers. They will do anything to help their own people out. Recently there was a student examinations in Turkey and a fiasco was revealed that there was a secret code to the answers to the multiple questions. And members of this movement was given that code prior to the examinations. So they are gaining power within all the governmental establishments to gain what ever they like. This is dangerous and a big blow to the real democracy and poor people of the Turkey.
  8. Anonymous Member

    What specifically is their Philosophical outlook and world view.
    What is their stated purpose or goal as an organization?
    What specifically, in your own research, makes this a cult?
  9. Anonymous Member

    Historically, when did the "Gulen" movement begin, and what is it's specific Islamic view?
    Are these guys Sufi?
  10. Eiglr Member

    An imam with 25 billion. It tooks a very long time to made that money for an imam. It is a little bit about Turkish history. They hate Turkish republic, they want to live in old times. For example all women have to close their heads, men and women dont have the equal rights etc. Their only goal is to bring Islamic regime. The recent party AKP is one of their informal formation. Presidnet of the republic and the prime minister is his students. By students, I ment his soldiers. That is why there so many corruption, prohibitions, freedom regulations here. There is a contrast here. you might say "if they are all islamic reasons and they are religious people why corruptions and etc." The thing is religion is a cover for them to gain unjustified benefit. They use people by theri beliefs. In of his speech to his followers Gulen says "You will go too far without felt your presence, you will get in their life bloods(reach the army), and after that without casualties we will get back and we will go back (go back to Islamic rules)" The most important and unreachble factor against them was Turkish military. But now a days, military is encircling by the people of governments judges. What ever Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants, happens in Turkey. There are lots of things that I can write about Gulen and his followers but it mght take about 10k pages. Turkish people disscus this since 25-30 years. I will try to translate the indictment about F.Gulen.

    Mostly it has been told Usa government is behind F. Gulen. After a accused for organize an illegal organization to change the secular state and establish a state according to the rules of islam, Gulen ran away to US and he is still there. After AKP won the elections, some how they discharge the accusations. But I dont actually know what is the situation right now. I found an interesting artricle about Gulen from Norman Goldman. Copying here

    After years of investigating Fethullah Gulen, a fundamentalist Turkish imam, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have been prevented by the CIA from bringing an indictment against him, so he can be kicked out of the US.

    Former Turkish Intelligence Chief Osman Nuri Gundes wrote in his memoir that Fethullah Gulen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement used his Madrasas to hid under cover 130 CIA agent in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

    Fethullah Gulen is an influential former Turkish imam who has 600 schools and 4 million followers around the world. He imam left Turkey in 1998 and settled in Saylorsburg, Pa., where the movement is headquartered.

    The Controversial Muslim preacher has now extended his tentacles into schools in the United States, where he controls and operates more than 100 charter schools. The schools educate as many as 35,000 students — taken together they’d make up the largest charter school network in the USA. Fethullah Gulen doesn’t even have a high-school diploma and never went beyond the 5th grade.

    This crazy, 68 (78?) year old, Turkish Muslim preacher, Gulen, fled Turkey after his alleged intentions to replace the secular government with one based on Sharia laws were exposed. He comes to the US and meanwhile he continues to expand his network of Madrasas and related businesses overseas-Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkans, etc. He fled Turkey two decades ago due to charges by Turkish prosecutors that he led a conspiracy to subvert the secular state (the charges were recently dropped). He presides over Turkey’s largest religious movement, his supporters are estimated to number at least 6 million, according to academics researching the phenomenon and he commands the loyalty of two-thirds of the Turkish police.

    After years of investigating him the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have been prevented by the CIA from bringing an indictment against him, so he can be kicked out of the US. Several dozen American teachers from Gulen’s charter schools have formed a coalition to expose the organizations’ documented ties to Gulen and other nefarious activities. A few groups have set up websites to provide information and exposés on this issue,

    Gulen organizations have a net worth is estimated to be somewhere between $22 billion and $50 billion, and he owns and operates over three hundred Madrasas around the world, including Pakistan, Central Asia, and the Caucasus. While Gulen’s suspicious and secretive Madrasas have been shut down and or restrained in countries such as Russia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan.

    No one is mentioning why Gulen has been strongly backed by Israel. One of his top backers in the US, Mort Abramowitz, and he vouched for Gulen during his deportation hearing.

    Abramowitz is a pro-Israel buy and was a State Department foreign affairs analyst 1971-73. From 1974 to 1968, he was a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State. President Reagan nominated Abramowitz as Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in 1985, and Abramowitz held this office from February 1, 1985 through May 19, 1989 (with the name of the office changing to Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research in 1986).

    In 1989, President George H. W. Bush named Abramowitz United States Ambassador to Turkey, a post he held until 1991. An influential member of this foreign policy establishment is Morton Abramowitz, whose career has involved him with both the Afghan mujahidin and Kosovo Albanian rebels.

    Abramowitz continued to act from behind the scenes for US Secretary of State Albright. He helped found the high-level International Crisis Group, a chief policy designer fro Bosnia and Kosovo. He was omnipresent behind the scenes of the Kosovo drama, both in making policy and in shaping elite business, government, and media opinion. He acted as an advisor to the Kosovo Albanian delegation at the Rambouillet talks, whose programmed breakdown provided the pretext for NATO bombing.

    Clinton’s undeclared Air WAR

    CIA links to Al Qeada and the NATO Bombings in the Balkans were a war
    crimes and undeclared wars SEE 1992 - 1999 The bombing of the
    Bosnian Serbs - A US war crime, parts 1 - 3.

    With the complicity of NATO and the US State Department, Mujahedeen
    mercenaries from the Middle East and Central Asia were first recruited
    to fight in the ranks of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in 1998-99,
    largely supporting NATO's war effort.

    According to Intelligence Online, he obtained a residence permit only in 2008 with the help of Graham Fuller, a former CIA station chief in Kabul and George Fidas, Fidas is on the faculty at the Joint Military Intelligence College, where he has been since retiring last year after thirty-one years of service to the CIA. At the time of his retirement, Fidas held the position of Director for Outreach of the Assistant Director of Central Intelligence for Analysis and Production (head of the agency’s outreach to universities).

    Graham Fuller, in 1982, was appointed by the CIA to head of the Near East and South Asia desk, (aka National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia), and in 1986 he was appointed vice-chairman of the National Intelligence Council. This is major leadership position within the US intelligence community.

    The National Intelligence Council (NIC) is the center for midterm and long-term strategic thinking within the United States Intelligence Community (IC). It was formed in 1979. The IC is led by the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who reports to the President of the United States. National Intelligence Council (NIC) leads the IC's effort to produce National Intelligence Estimates and other documents.

    In 1987, Fuller was identified as the author of a 1985 study that according to the New York Times was "instrumental" in the decision of the Reagan Administration to secretly contact leaders in Iran and "eventually led to the covert sale of United States weapons to Teheran in what became the Iran-contra affair.


    -In 1999 Gulen defected to the US shortly before his scandalous speech, where he is heard calling on his supporters to “work patiently and to creep silently into the institutions in order to seize power in the state”, became public. Turkish prosecutors demanded a ten-year sentence for Gülen for having “founded an organization that sought to destroy the secular apparatus of state and establish a theocratic state”. Mr. Gulen has not left the United States since.

    -The Netherlands has taken major steps to cut funding to all Gülen associated organizations and is investigating his operations. The Turkish Fethullah Gülen movement is really an Islamic fundamentalist group, claims Rotterdam council member Anita Fähmel (Leefbaar Rotterdam) on the basis of her own study of the Turkish movement.

    -The Russian government has banned all Gülen schools and the activities of the Nur sect in Russia. Over 20 Turkish followers of Gulen were deported from Russia in 2002-2004.

    -In 1999 Uzbekistan closed all Gulen’s Madrasas and shortly afterward arrested eight journalists who were graduates of Gulen schools, and found them guilty of setting up an illegal religious group and of involvement in an extremist organization.

    -In Turkmenistan, government authorities have placed Gulen’s schools under close scrutiny and have ordered them to scrap the history of religion from curriculums.

    I will reply to this post later about more spesific things but it is 5.00 am. Got to sleep.
  11. Sorry about the thread necromancy. I've been interested in the Gulen movement for a few years and I hadn't realized Anon had taken an interest in it until today. The OP's bullet point list is very accurate IMO.

    I have a close friend (Turkish) who is heavily involved in this movement. Here's what I've observed:

    - Members of this group are extremely religious, but you have to pay close attention to notice it (well, the headscarves are kind of a giveaway). They will never bring up their religion, but they usually have a magazine called The Fountain Magazine lying around. Each one contains some sort of empty uplifting message from Gulen towards the beginning, and then a bunch of articles that look like popular science, all ending with some sort of praise for Allah. Daily prayers are also observed religiously (duh...) and educational summer camps are carefully scheduled around Ramadan.
    - Generally polite and impossibly good hosts from what I have seen. It's very difficult to imagine they are hiding anything - but these are rank and file members. Maybe they don't even know there is something to hide.
    - Members watch a lot of Turkish television shows from networks owned by Gulen. The language barrier makes them hard for me to follow, but many of the shows seem to have strong religious themes. Being foreign productions, the acting looks incredibly terrible to my American eyes.
    - They have private events at mosques occasionally. I've only been to one of them. No idea how common these are or what purpose they serve.
    - I've been to one of their schools in Turkey. I forget how this happened, but at some point I found myself talking with some sort of religious figure in a separate building from the main school, who was trying to engage me in a one-sided debate about religious philosophy. Being hopelessly naive I went along with this until one of the members I knew from America busted me out of there. The schools in Turkey are very different from the ones in America - they feel more established, the religion aspect is much more overt, and they have a lot more funding. They are very proud of academically successful students - they have a trophy collection for former students who performed particularly well in math, computer science, etc. Not all of the students and teachers are religious (if I had to guess, I would say less than half). Many of the teachers I met there later came to teach in America.
    - All the companies affiliated with them have names somehow related to communication (i.e. Dialog).
    - Most new teachers from Turkey are very shy and work very hard at overcoming this. Interacting with students from another culture for the first time is very intimidating for them. Why on earth they force themselves to do this is beyond me. I get the feeling that doing this wasn't entirely their own idea.

    This group is a lot slicker (and smarter) than Scientology. If they are to be the next target after Scientology's death by a thousand cuts... they are going to be a hell of a lot harder to bring down.
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  12. Amazing information. Thanks for the necro.

    Oh CIA, when will you stop using cultish groups as informants? It never seems to end well.

    Here's an idea, my spooky friends: Dox or GTFO. Anyone in a sensitive position who starts talking like a moonbat gets a desk in the corner where he can't hurt anyone.

    I was at a lecture at the APA meeting in San Francisco. Afterward I went up to say hello to the speaker and to listen to him answer questions. An older guy approached and the speaker said, "Are the CIA here?" That surprised me. But then the old guy --a psychiatrist-- started talking about how Jenny McCarthy helped "recover" her son from autism by cutting out dairy products. That surprised me even more.

    Doctors and researchers working for the CIA are probably insulated from the wider academic world where people share ideas then get ripped to shreds. This must give them a degree of unwarranted self importance. At the same time, they can influence politicians more than most of us. This probably explains why the Federal government has been shoving quackery at America the past 20 years.

    Jenny McCarthy still regards Andrew Wakefield as a hero. I don't know how anyone can take her seriously.
  13. Random guy Member

    So, Gulen and Erdogan are fighting each other now? Good, good!
  14. DeathHamster Member

    Maybe now.
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  15. White Tara Global Moderator

    Nicely bumped DeathHamster :)
  16. DeathHamster Member

    As soon as I read the news, I said "Hey! I know that name. There were warning posts about him on WWP years back."
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  17. White Tara Global Moderator

    • Turkey's president Erdogan said those behind the coup were 'being told what to do from Pennsylvania'
    • He was referencing his ally turned political rival Fethullah Gulen, who lives in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania in a voluntary exile
    • Gulen was a close ally of Erdogan and initially supported his political rise
    • Tension reportedly began after Turkish government shut down network of schools started by Gulen's followers, known as Hizmet
    • Hizmet has deep roots in Turkey's military and political establishment
    • A massive corruption scandal in 2013 was thought to be initiated by Gulen's followers against Erdogan's administration
    • President repeatedly accused Gulen of plotting to overthrow government
    • Coup was reportedly led by Colonel Muharrem Kose, who was recently kicked out of the army over his links to Gulen
    • Lawyer representing Turkish government claimed he warned US about Gülen, who he claims is working closely with the military leadership
    • Alliance for Shared Values, a non-profit group affiliated with Gulen, denied allegations, said they condemned any military intervention in Turkey
    • Gulen backs a mystical Islam blended with socially progressive ideas
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  19. Random guy Member

    Here I go for a short holiday, and all Hades breaks loose.

    Poor bloody Turks.
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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    European experts skeptical of the Gulen movement

    The Gulen movement has generated broad support in Germany and across the world. Experts, however, have doubts over its image as the representative of "moderate Islam" in Europe.

    Deutsche Welle, August 18, 2016


    Now a global movement

    Designating his movement as a "Hizmet" (Service) Movement, the leader Fethullah Gulen has been living in the US state of Pennsylvania since 1999. He began his self-imposed exile after being indicted for attempting to topple the secular structure in Turkey and form a theological state. Gulen, however, maintains he moved abroad for health reasons.

    After beginning in Turkey in the 1960's, the Gulen movement has become global, with a presence in over 100 countries.

    Some experts compare the Gulen movement to the Catholic institution Opus Dei or the Mormon Church, while others draw similarities with the Church of Scientology, which is monitored by Germany's internal intelligence service.

    Schneiders says you cannot directly compare the Gulen movement with Scientology. He urges, however, that it must be questioned whether a movement with a shady organizational and financial structure that clamps down on dissent is compatible with democratic values.

    More here:
  21. The Internet Member

    US intelligence seems to have propped up a number of moonbat cults over the years, including those bearded assholes in Afghanistan. And the Moonies. And Chinese traditional medicine (thanks, Nixon!). And I speculate, Scientology.

    But when you live by the moonbat you can die by the moonbat. American voters are about to elect a guy who thinks his own made-up nonsense is reality.

    Pennsylvania... for some reason it reminds me of Michael Hayden and that room for the NSA bigshots that looks like the USS Enterprise.
  22. Obviously Vladimir is putin' things in Erdogans head.
  23. The Internet Member

    Assassination of Russian ambassador in Ankara - live streaming

    People saying the gunman was a follower of Gulen.
    News report

    Video of the shooting.
  24. The Internet Member

    TYT discuss proposed changes to the Turkish constitution. For context they mention the coup attempt earlier this year which was largely orchestrated by followers of Gulen, that cult leader living in Pennsylvania. Cenk says Gulen helps the CIA, which is something I suspected.

    I think the US nags countries about "religious freedom" because it likes to use religious groups as intel gathering networks. I really wish the US would think about the side effects of this strategy --mainly, propping up crazy cults that wind up hurting a lot of people.

    Alt med became a thing in the US after Nixon went to China. Strangely at that time military guys began promoting acupuncture as something useful for pain. Looks to me like alt med was a convenient way for the US to groom communication networks in China and Eastern Europe back in the day. Sadly now we have this bullshit dumbing down our own country.
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