The Fall of Scientology: Chanology SF Raeps On

Discussion in 'USA - West Coast' started by skeptic2girl, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. skeptic2girl Member


    Just got a tip that the

    Scilons have a table at Westfield on Market St.

    If you are actually at the mall or can get there, they're near the mall entrace by the powell bart station!

    If you can stop by, there's no need to wear a mask -- just have fun!

    Feel free to occupy their time that could be spent actually suckering people in...
  2. telomere Member

    thanks for phoning home :)
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  3. skeptic2girl Member

    ^trying to stabilize old videos and noticed around 5:20 or so, you can see the *massive* quantity of chalk tech that used to make the cult go bonkers (circa July 2011) --
    ha ha ha -- what was that about a sh*theap of cult fail?
    THE CI\/IL
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  4. Cudgel Member

    Cincinnati feels your need. But we must work with the resources we have to get the job done.

    "We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us. Except the ones who are dead."
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Wow, that looks kinda awesome - what did you use to stabilize the video? I have some old vids that are shaking like an incurable.
  6. Mark Cabian Member

    And aesthetics? Quinn, there is a time and place to use Dragon, and sometimes ya just have to type it out. :)
  7. skeptic2girl Member

    Oh my gosh. I am SUCH a River City fan! Hmmm... do you have a website? Might plan next road trip based on y'all's raid calendar! ;)
  8. skeptic2girl Member

    I don't know that it's all that stable, but I found that if you go to "video editor" on youtube (after uploading your video, of course), you can just click on STABILIZE and then click on "save" and then youtube will say, "As a head's up, it might take a while for the changes to appear..."

    And it really does make a difference!

    Kind of amazing!
  9. skeptic2girl Member

    *I think the "receptionist" I refer to in the video (I think this was, like, my second SF raid... so innocent!) is Jennifer2! Sunday afternoon? Sounds right, no? YES! Earlier was the FAIL barbecue. And she was there. In the darkened lair of the cult while we basked in the warm sunny glow of Freedom of Mind. Poor Jennifer 2 :( WIN for us!
  10. Anonymous Member

    I started watching and it made me motion sick :(
  11. Sponge Member

    Clearly the amount of chalk is cause for concern. Anarchy, riots, looting, raep and general lawlessness will ensue if it gets out of hand.

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  12. enthaeon Member

    ^^LOL^^ thanks for bumpering. Reminded me that I must needs moar chalk! Happy Turkeygibbens, fags!
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  13. skeptic2girl Member

    Exactly. I mean, if you compare it to the prolific chalkiness we make of the org now, it's just too funny! And I also like how when the cop says don't do it in front of the org, we're like, "Oh! no problem!" and then in a recent video when the cop asks that, Anna_Asks says, "No." :)
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  14. skeptic2girl Member


    Be thankful, everybody: you're not in a cult!

    And Ethics Trouble? You're not, either. You've already freed yourself from the mind trap. The rest is just physical.
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  15. enthaeon Member

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  17. MOOG Member




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  18. I notice that they have gotten away from the "JUST GET IT, READ IT, AND BUY IT!" stuff on their book ads. That was a Hubbard idea (as if you didn't know). The org mag according to Hubbard had just one purpose and that was to sell books. Each mag also had an article or two from the great man himself. I don't know if that was his idea but every org mag does this. Everyone on their mailing list gets a mag and that includes people who only bought a book just to get the reg off their backs. As per LRH policy; the mag must not have a date on it. This is probably so that the org can use the mag again for other purposes or even just mail out again if they have to. I am just guessing but it sounds about right.
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  19. slobeck Member

    Occasionally while looking at scientology I get a glimpse of it within the larger sphere of cults in general and the one I was in specifically. In the SGI the way you sort of formalize your getting to really call yourself a Nichiren Buddhist is you must subscribe to their little newspaper the "World Tribune" which is basically the SGI version of "Gateway" magazine. It contains usually a lecture transcript of the charismatic leader Daisaku Ikeda (The president of the SGI -and "personal mentor" to everyone who goes "all in") Several "wins" by parishoners and a kid's section... usually some win about how chanting nam myo ho renge kyo cured their mom's cancer or stopped the bullying ion school.

    The rest is all bout buying BOOKS. Of course ones authored by Ikeda or his wife (for the women) and the basic Texts such as the 2 volume 2400 page "Gosho" and countless lectures ABOUT the Gosho. This and every year they have a month "pledge drive" where the pressure to give money... even money you don't have gets insane. People pressure each other each trying to out do the other's level of dedication. The stories about how so and so donated they're last $100 which combined with chanting for 4 hours a day caused their karma to be so great that they got the money back 10 fold. Oh it makes me sick even recalling it.

    tl;dr cults are cults are cults
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  20. skeptic2girl Member

    lol -- guess there's an event on New Year's Eve -- they said there's going to be dancing... could that be referring to us? ;)
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  21. Anonymous Member

    But dude! It worked!!

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  22. skeptic2girl Member

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  23. You see this is the funny thing. I heard about deprogramming and Operation Snow White all from the GO/OSA when I was in the cult. These were subjects that I either knew nothing about or had no interest in. The only thing I was interested in was Scientology. So when I heard about this stuff at GO events it was like a red flag; a red flag that I ignored. I couldn't understand why these speakers were so interested in this stuff and why they thought I would be interested either. It was a bit like coming up to a total stranger and starting a conversation about rocks or something. The whole thing just seemed to come out of nowhere. I realise now that they were trying to innoculate us from the truth but at that time the whole thing was a little weird and jarring.

    Can you imagine Scientolgists in places that had never heard the story of Lisa or knew who she was? Here it is in 1996 let us say and some OSA rep is going through his spiel about Lisa. I am sure the reaction would have been the same as mine, &quot;Why are you wasting my time talking about this as if I should care?&quot; Of course after that the clam can now &quot;refute&quot; all the press about her, another job done by the OSA. But at the same time I am sure their initial reaction was on of confusion just like me. They must have wondered a bit why the OSA was so fixated on Lisa McPherson. Unforunately just like me they never thought they were being innoculated because they never took a closer look at those red flags. It is as if anything that the OSA says to the members should be looked at closer and with suspicion. That will never happen since the rank and file members no doubt see the OSA as this legit operation.
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  24. skeptic2girl Member

    Yeah, my impression of how the cult deals with the LM story (in talking to current Scientologists) is something along the lines of, "Okay, you're going to have a bunch of SPs telling lies about Lisa McPherson. Here's what actually happened..."

    In Sparrow's and Radio Paul's videos you have Scientologists *explaining* about *actually* happened (I think they say, "pulmonary aneurysm"?) and that's when the bites on Lisa's body come up.

    And indeed, the reason a lot of us protest is to illuminate the red flags, but it really seems like a lot of the Scientologists have been convinced we're out to destroy their religion so we'll lie like crazy and say anything at all.
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  25. Anonymous Member

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  26. Anonymous Member

    A possible problem has surfaced that might involve the SF Org. Sorry about the "iffy" quality of this posting but this Anon is just not sure if the information is important in terms of the SF Org but does want to state it and perhaps other Anons can research the matter.

    First, some history. Long-time San Francisco Unified School District Board of Education member Jill Wynns is married to a Scientologist George Wynns, Patron.

    Reliable ex'es have confirmed that both of them have been seen frequently at the SF Org over the years.

    Although Jill denies that she is a Scientologist to almost everybody, when there was a vote on having the San Francisco Unified School District keep the Narconon Drug Education program at the San Francisco Unified School District meeting Aug. 24, 2004, (6-1, NO), she was the one member who abstained from voting.

    The article does not mention the voting but the SFUSD BOE minutes from the meeting do have a record of it.

    Since the SFUSD Narconon Drug Education uproar ended in the Spring of 2005 with the California Department of Education ruling, Jill has kept a low profile about any possible Scientology and SFUSD links.

    Jill Wynns is now President Elect of the California School Board Association for 2012.
    This is a position of some influence and therein is the concern. Whether Jill is a Scientologist or not, when it came down to a vote, she did not back the sensible educational decision to remove the Narconon Drug Education program from the SFUSD.
    Right now, the California public education budget is in dire straits. Although the CSBA does not have a vote in the legislature, it does have lobbyists and, as I have mentioned, influence. A possible concern is that, as head of the CSBA, she might encourage public/private fiscal relationships that Scientology gets involved in. Or that much needed mental health services be even encouraged to undergo further cut-backs. Or that Special Education services lose even more money.
    Now many good reasonable people have supported the last two items mentioned, citing fiscal difficulties, and virtually none of them are deliberately echoing what Scientology says. And there is a place for public/private fiscal relationships in these hard times. But now rather than keeping an eye on the SFUSD, it might behoove some Anons to also keep an eye on the CSBA for the next year. Anons can spot possible problems concerning Scientology way before the general public. If we had had Anons/Internet/Chanology back in the 1990's, Narconon Drug Education would have never infiltrated public education.

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  27. skeptic2girl Member

    If it's the doc I'm thinking of, a lot of Anons and others did an amazing job of typing up the thing so it's readable -- a laborious process, to be sure. I believe it's also posted on OCMB.
  28. skeptic2girl Member

    Ooof. Will research. Haven't clicked on links (yet -- as usual just meant to *stop by* interent before going out!) but am looking forward to seeing what the school board member looks like in order to find out if she seems to be going into the org a lot.

    We had talked a few months ago of doing a Narconon raid and maybe it's time. My instinct is that the public is educated about Scientology and knows the cult getting involved in public schools is a bad thing. BUT in the past the cult had tried to claim that Narconon isn't actually Scientology.

    So maybe the goal would be to make sure and emphasize Narconon and Scientology are shown to be what they are = directly linked.
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  29. Anonymous Member

    This may be the appropriate time to bring to the naive public's attention the fact that Narconon and Narconon Drug Education ARE Scientology.

    Back in Sept. 8, 2011, Peter Van Auken of "OfficialWire PR News Bureau" (cough, cough) published
    an article headed: "Narconon Spokesperson Asks: Should American Drug Education Classes Receive a Failing Grade?" As you can imagine, it tootled Narconon Drug Education and disparaged public education drug ed classes.
    This was right when SFUSD BOE member Jill Wynns was receiving some publicity about being the president-elect of the California School Board Association and the juxtaposition of the two different stories caught the eyes of several of us. At the time, we considered bringing the information forward but were not sure whether to do it in a Narconon thread or a SF org thread. Anyway, here it is now, in the SF org thread.
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  30. That is pretty much how it goes I would imagine. It was at a GO/OSA event that I learnt that the C of S was only guilty of "stealing xerox paper". Yes, that famous line. They actually used it on us. It was an attempt on their part to show how stupid the government was and it was supposed to get a laugh. It did get a laugh too. I am pretty sure every stupid defense you have heard has it's origins with an OSA event or publication or DVD or website. That would explain the uniformity of any and all responses.
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  31. Anonymous Member

    The San Francisco OSA people listed on Marty's blog

    are, as follows: Craig Hawkins, Laura Glendening, Bill Crawford, Ramses Erdhmann, Donna Barton, Monique Fletcher, David Sidlow, Nick Luchesi and Karen Delise (who is supposed to have worked on the John Sweeney cycle and lives in San Rafael, CA). Joe whateverhislastnameis is NOT listed.... maybe he has left although I think most likely that this list is incomplete.

    I hope the spelling is OK.... had to squint...
  32. Anonymous Member

    Hail Xenu, this thread is beautiful!

    Just wanted to make a quick comment on the (truly faptastic) Gateway leak:

    "70 percent of your life is spent working"

    Say what now? Translated into a 24 hour day, that would mean I spend 16.8 hours a day working.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    Sorry, "at WORK"
  34. Anonymous Member

    Don't forget, this was written by sea org members. This is true for them, not a math fail.
  35. skeptic2girl Member

    Do they ever tire of the FAIL at the SF org?

    This time they didn't even bother to wash off the chalk!

    There was just one new (?) guy *bravely* manning the desk. What happened? Did CultBoi have a meltdown? It might have been that New Instructions included, &quot;Just ignore them and they'll go away.&quot; Eventually? YES. We do sleep after all, we're not Sea Org.

    ^note the posters -- these were put up almost immediately after we arrived. (video to follow) The guy had to lock and unlock the door first, though. What? Are they afraid someone's going to wander in and steal all the cash on hand?





    Moog had a good conversation with a guy who had gone in the org -- I did have the shortest conversation ever with one staff member, and then a crazy but very nice couple grabbed a couple of our signs and almost got run over.

    Dead org is dead. Might have to start making our own fun...
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  36. skeptic2girl Member

    I wonder if that's *MOOG's* friend Joe?
  37. skeptic2girl Member

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  38. Anonymous Member

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  40. Anonymous Member

    Important to differentiate Soka Gakkai/SGI from Nichiren. SGI may claim to be Nichiren, but they officially kicked out of Nichiren for being too political, too culty. That doesn't make Nichiren any less creepy, but they aren't the money, power hungry cult that is SGI.

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