The Day We Fight, internet protest Feb. 11

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    Why Care About the NSA? - Brian Knappenberger Op-Doc

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    Stop the Spy Center!

    We can be Snowden-confident that the NSA did not miss the protest that took place against their little cousin the Domain Awareness Center (DAC), February 4th, 2014, at Oscar Grant Plaza in downtown Oakland, nor the fact that it took place in the amphitheater that once held the massive General Assemblies of Occupy Oakland.


    Some 200 people participated in the light brigade, rally, entertainment (thanks, Clowns Not Bombs!), and march to the site of the not-quite-yet activated Domain Awareness Center located, more than ironically, on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive.

    For a much longer article, photo essay, and videos covering much of what happened at the rally and protest, please read Willful Ignorance.

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    A country obsessed with Justin fucking Bieber, and American Idol. A nation of people, being force fed unbelievable amounts of mountainous bullshit, on a daily basis, and propagated by the above morons, and their corporate ilk.

    WTF is happening to Americans and America? WTF is it going to take to get them to wake the fuck up?
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  7. Don't like the truth huh? I don't like this tosspot posting links all day and night. Get a life man.
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  8. White Tara Global Moderator

    And your posts are helpful how?
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  9. A.O.T.F Member

    Excellent .. I hit a nerve .. LOL :p

    Awate defending the right to protest - A Londoners perspective

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  10. hasnulife Member

    Excellent .. I hit a nerve .. LOL :p

    You misspelled "wanker"
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  12. A.O.T.F Member

    Let's do it for Aaron
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  13. And not yourself? Get off the page man, give someone else a chance.
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  14. ^^^Boring troll needs a new schtick.

    I like the links. Give me something to read while my dog licks mah toes.

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  15. So sorry to hear some whiny bastard has a problem with links.

    That just gives me the cum spot on the credenza as I post a link of my own.

    Have fun.
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  17. Freed0m_rid3r Member

    I proudly join the fight. Fuck the nsa!
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    United we stand - Divided we fall
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    The Day We Fight Back: can an internet protest stop the NSA?*
    Probably not, but it might get a bill passed

    By Adi Robertson on February 10, 2014 04:26 pm


    The goal of the 2012 blackout was simple: spur people to call their representatives and express opposition to a new bill. The Day We Fight Back, though, is an attempt to dismantle a system that’s been in place for years. Inside the US, participants are urged to put a banner on their website and call or email their legislators in support of Representative Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Senator Patrick Leahy’s (D-VT) USA Freedom Act, which would reform the NSA’s metadata database. But they’re also urged to oppose Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) FISA Improvements Act, a bill that sounds just as pleasant but has been sharply criticized for enshrining the database program in law. And even these are just baby steps in the long run.

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  22. Enturbulette Member

    Thanks ATOF for all the info and links and consistent bumptedy bump bumping on this excellent thread!
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    Awww Shucks, E, thanks mate. It's not only me. It's everybody here. An Internet A Team I'd say.
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  25. sallysock Member

    Above links made made the process so easy- enter email, zip code and voom an extremely well worded letter pops up.
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  28. Ersatz Global Moderator

    Disappointing numbers for a world wide effort.
    It is easy, so get to it folks and spread it around.
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  29. A.O.T.F Member

    Everyone has an opinion. Everyone gets to say what they think. So out of fairness i'm going to post them all.

    joepie91's Ramblings

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    February 11th, 2014, The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

    11 Feb 2014
    Today, February 11th, 2014, is The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence against mass surveillance.
    There, I said it. This whole "Day We Fight Back" thing is an utterly pointless waste of time and efforts, and nothing more than feel-good armchair activism. Like all the armchair activism before it, it's a way to get instant gratification, for people who want to feel like they are "changing the world", regardless of whether they actually are changing the world. And like all the armchair activism before it, it is not useful in practice.
    There are undoubtedly many reasons why people engage in these kind of activities.

    Personal ego, wanting to feel like they're "contributing", a feeling of helplessness, a genuine belief that it might work, perhaps even the knowledge that it will distract from real efforts... whatever the reason, the only practical consequences it has are of a negative nature. Not only do these tactics not accomplish anything in reality, they also distract people from making a real effort to change the world. They make people feel like they've "done their part", effectively killing their willingness to get involved in any more constructive future efforts.

    Demand Progress is an especially bad offender of this type of armchair activism. Several times a month, I receive an e-mail from them, asking me to sign a petition, "call my representative", or similarly pseudo-activist actions. Demand Progress has existed for three, nearly four years now. Demand Progress, if after four years you are still talking about the same problems, don't you think your strategy might not be working out?

    "Calling your representative" isn't helping. The small minority of "representatives" that has the best interests of citizens in mind, is effectively powerless to make a change in the larger scheme of things. Not just that, they are part of a governmental system that is inherently broken, and vulnerable to corruption. Just look at the past few months of Snowden leaks for a tiny sample of that. Signing a petition isn't helping either. Those who could theoretically change things, are not interested in your list of signatures. And your list of signatures isn't going to do anything of its own volition.

    And then there's the matter of "raising awareness". Possibly the single most common argument that people bring up to defend their armchair activism. Not only is it a common argument, it's also incredibly wrong. What, exactly, are you raising awareness of? The majority of the population already knows that things are rotten, you don't need to tell them that. What you need to do, is think about a way to solve the problems that exist. "Raising awareness" for the sake of raising awareness, is like advertising a product that doesn't exist; yes, you've made people aware of the 'product' - but in practice that's a completely useless achievement, as the product didn't exist in the first place.

    No doubt this comes down to the "one trick pony" behaviour that has been rampant lately, both within Anonymous and within other (pseudo-)activist circles. Just like the average Anon will grab "DDoS" as a tactic without any strategic planning ("well, that worked for Mastercard, didn't it?"), the armchair activism reflex outside of Anon has become "call your legislator, sign a petition, raise awareness". Nobody actually thinks through the consequences (or lack thereof), they just assume that it's a good strategy because it did something at some point in the past.

    This is to all armchair activists: your "achievements" are meaningless. Calling today the "Day We Fight Back" is a disgrace to all serious activists throughout the years, no matter their cause or methods. You aren't "fighting back", you are complaining in a corner. If you want real change, start thinking strategically, and start using tactics that are appropriate to the situation. This guide exists for a reason.

    UPDATE: A few people have demanded that I come up with a solution. They are missing the point entirely. A strategy for "changing the world" doesn't fit into one short blog post. Even if it did, it would be of no help - the same people would just be blindly following my suggestions, instead of those of somebody else. So if you're expecting me to tell you what to do, here you go: develop a strategy that is in line with your beliefs and goals, and share it with others. This is not something I can (or should) do for you.
  30. A.O.T.F Member

    Yes, yes it is.:( I'm waiting to see the final tally, for the day
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    Imagine this .. Talking to people who want to enact a tsunami of analog violence. And that act hanging on a knife's edge decision. I've never seen so much anger from known, and always sane and capable people.
  34. So, I am bothered. Question. If the anti s o p a worked...why didn't it happen again? Why no dark?
  35. I am fuckin pissed to say this but,,their game plan is fail. Before you get all vicious- hear me out.
    They send emails.
    There is no centralized area for communication, planning or support.
    Forums work (case in point: Scientology- A joke to most now)
    They have the ability to do better.

    Kinda pointed this out in an email to The Day We Fight Back today.
    Want them to do it right.
  36. DeathHamster Member

    Hold on, sanity check!

    I admit that I skimmed the video, but there a few things that bother me about it.

    First off, (2:20) everything picked up by the mic is not captured and sent to Google to be analyzed. That's just plain wrong. The speech recognition is done by local software running on the PC. That should be easy to verify by cutting network access and see if speech recognition is still working. (On a phone/tablet, put it in airplane mode, speech recognition still works.)

    Second, there seems to be confusion between giving Google Chrome permission to use the mic, and giving a particular site permission. The permission seems to be app-level, not site level. Is there an exploit that malicious sites could exploit? Possibly.

    I'm not ready to call moonbat, but there are basic problems with this video, so the claims should be looked at more closely and taken with a kilogram of salt.
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    Exploits of ICT systems .. Hmmm .. much easier to attack, than it is to defend - and it matters not a jot, what security software you have installed.

    You may very well be right, DH. It will be interesting to see if the boffins at Google have intiated any real movement on the issue.

    Me, I will always err on the side of caution when it comes to "anything" Google, DH.
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    How Big Was The Day We Fight Back?

    This is Michigan Stadium, the largest football stadium by capacity in the United States. It fits 109,901 people.


    Imagine two Michigan Stadiums, filled to capacity, with 219,802 people. Imagine that all those people are doing the same thing at the same time—contacting Congress and demanding an end to mass surveillance.

    You'd still fall short of the nearly 250,000 people inside the US that called or emailed their legislators yesterday for The Day We Fight Back. And that's not even touching the more than 200,000 people around the world that organized actions and signed on to the Necessary and Proportionate principles.

    At the peak, people were placing over 7,000 calls to Congress an hour. Legislators, companies, organizations, and many others showed their support in tweets, speeches at live events, and banners splashed across home pages.

    As we said yesterday, and many times before, this is not a one-day effort."Victory",unfortunately, is not as simple as beating back one piece of bad policy, or getting a few organizations (or even lawmakers) on board. We've worked against bulk NSA spying for the better part of a decade, and we're not going to stop now.

    Still, hundreds of thousands of people speaking up is an amazing thing. We're proud to have taken part in it, and deeply grateful for the people—the many, many people—who participated.

    Photo: Michigan Stadium 2011 by Andrew Horne. Released under Creative Commons BY-SA.

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    The Day the Internet Didn’t Fight Back


    So much for mass protest.

    A consortium of Internet and privacy activists had long promoted Feb. 11 as the day the Internet would collectively stand up and shout down surveillance by the National Security Agency.

    The group called Tuesday, “The Day We Fight Back,” and encouraged websites to join an online campaign modeled after protests against the Stop Online Piracy Act and Protect I.P. Act two years ago, when sites like Reddit and Wikipedia and companies like Google and Facebook helped successfully topple antipiracy legislation.

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  40. Kilia Member

    by the by...can we not put a "Stop NSA" ribbon on our avatars here as well?
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