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  1. thehunter Member

    THE COLD HARD FACTS

    Now in my efforts to spread the word about the Co$, I've had varying levels of success using different methods. One problem I run into is the subjectiveness of much of the material. Scary voices and cool graphics are great modes of communication, but there is a HUGE area of people out there who aren't really swayed by them. They ARE however swayed by Legal FACTS. Things that are objective and are not as vulnerable to personal opinions or exageration. People such as this tend to be educated folk who are used to reading actual primary material, such as legal documents, and who place less value on someones interpretation of those documents.

    That being said, I want to start this thread as a repository for cold, hard, objective material against the Co$. Examples such as legal transcripts, court cases, videos of legal hearings. This way, we can all just direct people to this thread in particular, and they won't have to wade through the avalanche that is the Anti-Co$ movement.

    And I want to keep this thread lean and mean! A person doesn't care to read 10 pages of "win is epic win" just to find what you are talking about. I'm hoping the mods will sticky it to, so that it remains easy to find.

    Now to get started.

    This is the Scott Mayer video on youtube. It is him testifying (1982) before the City Council of Clearwater Florida about the crimes of the Co$ and the actions to infiltrate the city adminstrations. I have had SO much success with this video it isn't even funny. If you have any friends who are political activists, or law students, send them THIS. Don't even tell them what it is, just tell them to watch it and let them figure it out for themselves.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg04cNSi0wg


    This next one concerns the Church trying to sue someone for copyright infringement. Church of Scientology International v. Fishman and Geertz
    It includes material of OTVIII, and in particular the claim that Hubbard said Jesus was a pedophile! Now that claim could be dismissed as made up, except for the fact that they tried to copyright it!!! It's on the following site, as well as the exact information pertaining to the trial and court information.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/index2.html

    This is AWESOME evidence to send to religious friends. Again, point them in the right direction and let them make up their own mind.

    Well now the ball is rolling. Let's keep it going.
  2. thehunter Member

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    Here is a list of the court cases involving the Co$ vs the IRS

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/irslegal.html

    The list of cases is.... extensive....

    I would really love if someone could dig up the particulars of anything concerning Paulette Cooper. Or any legal things pertaining to Lisa. That would rock so much.
  3. Tay Zonday Member

  4. Robert S Member

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    Official Responses by Germany to Scientology's claims and complaints (pdf’s) courtesy of snafu

    Some are missing and in german but there ore English translations available

    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/stat.html

    (not exactly unbiased I suppose, but they are official docs)
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    Something that influenced me to stand Anonymous was when I stumbled across some academic work on Co$, eg Dr. Stephen Kent of the U of Alberta, Canada. (was still at the stage where I was pretty crappy at figuring out what was "real" in this bizarre and tangled world that is Co$). Some of Kent's work is in various locations (OC, ARS etc) but not all. I've started making one super list and will post that on this forum when I can. My Phase 2 task is adding academic material from other sources, but caution is required as there are some organizations that look academically valid but aren't.

    -anon-

    I will never forget the children
  6. Anonerly Member

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    The german reports offer some really nice summaries about what the cult is and how is works.
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    http://rapidshare.com/files/98039590/Sc ... 8.pdf.html

    Rapidshare link to a pdf I made. 179 pages of official stuff including:

    Internal letter describing Fair game (1965)
    Internal letter failing to cancel Fair Game (1968)
    Internal letter declaring Scientologists Fair Game (1968)
    Text from course manual mentioning Fair Game (1989)
    Operation Freak Out
    Criminal Case No. 78-00401 – Operation Snow White
    Report of Autopsy of Lisa McPherson
    Response to Defence Motion to Dismiss Based Upon the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (in Reference to the Lisa McPherson Case)
    Reports made by Lisa’s Carers during Her Care
    Brainwashing in Scientology’s Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF)
    Declaration of Vicki Aznaran
    Declaration of Dennis Erlich
  8. golddigger Member

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    This thread is made of golden WIN

    This is what CO$ does not want to happen.

    Keep up the good work.
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    I joined her cause of the killings, an d what really motivated me a lot, is when I was given some quotes about what Hubbard said about Jesus.
  10. noitulover Member

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    this ^^^ gets you an internet!
  11. thehunter Member

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    This!

    Guys, good vibes are much appreciated, but please stay on target! I want this thread to be all fact and little or no chatter.

    If you want to make good vibes on this thread, great!

    BUT!
    I insist, go find a legal/objective piece of information on the web that you can include in your post that will add to the win that is this thread!! If you include a useful link, you can talk all you want!

    If something here deserves more discussion, then it definitely deserves its own thread!

    Leading by example...


    A New York Times article from 2004, about the Jewish couple who challenged that the Co$ tax exemption should be open to all religious education.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/24/busin ... &position=

    And it includes this wicked cool quote from the judge

    I think every post on this thread should be another nail in the coffin.
  12. Robert S Member

  13. Dubber Member

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    Since this is the cold hard facts thread, I will point out again that all evidence points to the Fishman OT VIII being a forgery by him or someone familiar with his case. RTC's lawyers are some of the most brainwashed people in Scientology and they are genuinely afraid to look at high-level material.
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    I'm personally really swayed by Paulette's testimony. Read the article on OCB and could hardly believe it! (But I did!)
  15. thehunter Member

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    Shamelessly stolen from another thread.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

    The former Clearwater Mayor, and Former Clearwater Police chief, being interviewed by WBM, talking about Scientology in Clearwater.
    These aren't legal sources, but I think the opinion of the Former Mayor and the Former Police chief can be considered pretty objective!
  16. Dubber Member

    THE COLD HARD FACTS: Scientology front groups

    There are many Scientology front groups. I'm just going to cover six of them here.

    Narconon, Criminon, Applied Scholastics, and The Way to Happiness Foundation are all coordinated by one organization, Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE). Second Chance rehab is a Criminon licensee.

    Narconon's materials include:
    • Communication course (Training Routines)
    • New life detox (purification rundown)
    • Learning improvement course (study tech)
    • Life improvement courses (ups & downs of life, personal values & integrity, changing conditions of life)
    • The Way to Happiness course
    Criminon:
    • Communication course
    • Literacy and learning (study tech)
    • Self respect course (The Way to Happiness, personal values & integrity, changing conditions of life)
    • Drug rehabilitation (purification rundown)
    Applied Scholastics:
    • Communication course
    • Study tech
    Way to Happiness Foundation:
    Publishes The Way to Happiness and sells it for distribution as a gift.

    Wise (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) offers Scientology materials and training to businesspeople and companies. Areas of training include:
    • Efficiency (Improving Business Through Communication course, others)
    • Ethics & integrity (Scientology ethics, The Way to Happiness, Ups & downs of life, others)
    • Effective learning (study tech)
    All of these materials are ultimately licensed from Religious Technology Center, which oversees all licensing of Scientology's intellectual property and is responsible for keeping all Scientology organizations in line with its own goals.

    The Church of Scientology has a grade chart that shows how to advance through its teachings. At the bottom of the grade chart are the Scientology Introductory Services that bring people into the church. Nine different introductory routes into Scientology are shown, including:
    • Success through communication route (Success through Communication course)
    • Life improvement course route(Success through Communication course, Life improvement courses)
    • Purification route (Training Routines, Purification rundown)
    • The Way to Happiness route (Happiness rundown, The Way to Happiness course)
    Scientologists swear up and down that its affiliate groups are not recruiting programs, and that it is just a coincidence that their course materials are precisely those the church uses to introduce people to Scientology. What do you think?
  17. exOT8Michael Member

  18. Robert S Member

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    Moar motherload! Over 50 court docs. (Thanks Zinj on ex-scn)
    Minton, Prince, Brooks, Franks, Young etc.
    Declarations, Transcripts, Rebuttals, Exhibits, Briefs, Yadda, Yadda, and Yadda

    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
  19. Robert S Member

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    CoS California vs Larry Wollersheim
    Superior Court State of California July 2, 1993
    Quote: This action was brought almost seven years after the trial verdict and eleven months after the allegedly "new evidence" upon which it is based came to the attention of Scientology's attorneys. It alleges improper conduct by trial judge Ronald Swearinger, but was conveniently filed shortly after Judge Swearinger died, so he can no longer defend himself. The action is untimely, improper, without merit, and filed to further harass defendant. Because it arises from defendant's exercise of his First Amendment right to petition the government (file a lawsuit), this action is subject to a special motion to strike under Code of Civil Procedure section 425.16, [FN2] which should be granted for the reasons set forth below.
    http://www.casp.net/doc-1a.html
  20. Robert S Member

  21. albinocat Member

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    Germany has a special goverment group (Ursula Kaberta is their leader) for investigating Scientology:
    Homepage: http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/beh ... start.html

    Most of the publications are in german.

    Some samples (english and turkish):

    Comments on the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights of 5th April 2007
    Englisch Version
    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/beh ... source.pdf

    Brainwashing in Scientology’s Rehabilitation Project Force (english version)
    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/beh ... source.pdf

    Explaining Scientology in Turkish :mrgreen: (Germany has lot of turkish speaking citizens)
    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/beh ... source.pdf

    I can provide the links of the official german publications, if their is some interest.
  22. Robert S Member

  23. Robert S Member

    Scientology’s contacts in Florida politics
    http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html

    U.S. politicians and Scientology
    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/politics.html
    Excerpt:"Sen Thomas F. Eagleton (D), Missouri, was unsuccessfully blackmailed in 1980 by his niece Elizabeth Eagleton Weigand (alias Libby Weigand alias Elizabeth Weigand, now Elizabeth Regan) and her attorney Stephen Poludniak, both Scientologists, to buy her shares on the family-owned Missouri Pipe Fittings co. for $220,000 or she would publish "damaging information". He declined and called the FBI, because 1. he didn't believe her that such information existed, 2. he knew she was a Scientologist and that the money would go to them. Scientology denied any involvement, but admitted that it was a GO operation in their IRS 1023 Tax Exempt Application."

    "Once the world is Clear - a nation, a state, a city or a village - the Scientology organization in the area becomes its government. And once this has taken place the only policy accepted as valid is Scientology policy."
    L. Ron Hubbard
    From a lecture entitled "Future Org Trends" given January 9th, 1962
  24. Robert S Member

  25. its.an0nym0us Member

    THANK YOU FOR THIS.

    I am getting SO TIRED of seeing vids and flyers with he/said/she/said/hearsay on them.
  26. fluffbomb Member

    A few things have worked for me in discussions with people.

    The many deaths in Scientology through suicide or mental breakdown is one of the most effective. One guy I work with (a person not usually moved, not passionate about anything) actually had a tear in his eye when he saw the story about Lisa on the "Road to Feb 10th" video.

    Others responded to the "20% of the Human population are SP's, and can be destroyed" idea, likening it to Nazi genocide.

    The attack against modern medicine and psychiatry also works quite well in getting people talking about it. The video of DM preaching and promoting a military attack against government agencies, psychiatry and medicine also makes people angry.

    Strangely, the thing so many focussed on here, tax exemption, doesn't strike a chord with anyone I know really. No one seems to actually understand it, and so it's not easy to digest.
    This was a failure on our part I think. People really don't care much for investigating for themselves, and it's not easy to make a hard-hitting video about tax lol.
  27. lermanet_com Member

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    Scientology "minister" Reed Slatkin sentenced to Federal penitentary for the largest ponzi scam in US History...500 million
    Scientology "minister" Kent Stryker convicted of FRAUD - he set up scores of charities with names that sounded like other known and real charities.
    US vs Mary Sue Hubbard et all - Grand Jury Indictment
    And another vote for "Dispose of quietly and without sorrow" the 20% of population below 2.0 on the tone scale..
    Govtech - infiltration of state and city governments
    Response to RFA Motion
  28. Songbird Member

    Re: THE COLD HARD FACTS

    "What Scientology Won't Tell You - An Information Pack"
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/
    Individual essays inlude links to many useful documents.

    Jeff Jacobsen on CoS and the IRS tax-exempt status ***** important article *****
    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/irs/jeff-irs.htm

    Affidavit of Andre Tabayoyon
    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_at.html

    Affidavit of MaryTabayoyon
    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_mt.html

    Affidavit of Jesse Prince
    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/jesse_prince_affidavit.html

    The Anderson Report (Board of Enquiry into Scientology) - Australia
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/andrhome.html

    The Lee Report on Dianetics and Scientology - Canada
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/lee.html

    "Brainwashing in Scientology's Rehabilitation Project Force," by Stephen A. Kent, Ph.D., Univ. of Alberta
    http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/gulags/BrainwashinginScientology'sRehabilitationProjectForce.htm

    For other documents .... go exploring on Operation Clambake. Not the message board - the rest of the site, where Andreas has collected a great wealth of material on CoS.
  29. J. Swift Member

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    One of the most fascinating and revealing documents about Operation Snow White is available at:

    http://www.wwwaif.net/scn/scn_stip_index.php

    (everything is at the link above, however, the navigation is quirky so you have to launch from the home page for some sections.)

    A lesser version is available at: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien411.html

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    V Criminal No. 78-401

    MARY SUE HUBBARD, et al.

    STIPULATION OF EVIDENCE


    This "STIPULATION OF EVIDENCE" was signed by Mary Sue Hubbard and other top Scientologists in Operation Snow White. This is the mind-blowing document that those responsible for Operation Snow White signed in lieu of going to trial in US Federal Court. Mary Sue Hubbard and others went to prison after they signed. They admitted to numerous felonies in this document. LRH was an unindicted co-conspirator who went into hiding and allowed his wife to do prison time for his crimes.

    Scientologists online are quick to dismiss this 1978 document as "ancient history." The document is only 30 years old and is definitive proof of what Scientology is capable of and why society must never trust Scientology.


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  30. J. Swift Member

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    Scientology source documents, particularly older documents, should also be compiled in order to get the Cold Hard Facts from Scientology's side. My vast archives include the 1993 CoS information pack that was give to selected Scientologists so that they could explain Scientology's US Tax Exemption government officials in the US and internationally. The cover letter was sent out under Heber Jentzsch's name:

    1tax1001-1.jpg

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  31. J. Swift Member

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    The Table of Contents:

    1tax1003-1.jpg

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  32. everanonymous Member

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    is it possible to continually update the topic post with this information for those of us who need easy access to these facts? then we could sticky this thread and point new anon to it for reference with their fliers and posters. a nice one stop shop post w/o having to wade through all the pages in the thread as this thing grows.
  33. Robert S Member

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    I'm hesitant to put this link up because it is for a product available for purchase and if the mods deem this inappropriate please remove with my apologies. I just basically found it and have no connection to it in any way except just for information, yet it seems to possibly be a good resource. Again, though, please take it down if the idea to add it here is deemed ill conceived.

    http://www.thelibrarycollection.com/hubbard.html
    The complete files - L Ron Hubbard and the FBI 1943-1993
  34. Valdemar Member

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    THANK YOU THANK YOU
  35. Robert S Member

    WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR

    (some of the links listed were jazzed up during the move. Please send to me corrected so I can list here in one post)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg04cNSi0wg
    Scott Mayer testifying (1982) before the City Council of Clearwater

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/index2.html
    Church of Scientology International v. Fishman and Geertz
    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/stat.html
    Official German responses to Scientology

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97eamKbln-M
    Paulette Cooper Hearings

    http://rapidshare.com/files/98039590/Scientology_Sauce090408.pdf.html
    Internal letter describing Fair game (1965)
    Internal letter failing to cancel Fair Game (1968 )
    Internal letter declaring Scientologists Fair Game (1968 )
    Text from course manual mentioning Fair Game (1989)
    Operation Freak Out
    Criminal Case No. 78-00401 – Operation Snow White
    Report of Autopsy of Lisa McPherson
    Response to Defence Motion to Dismiss Based Upon the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (in Reference to the Lisa McPherson Case)
    Reports made by Lisa’s Carers during Her Care
    Brainwashing in Scientology’s Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF)
    Declaration of Vicki Aznaran
    Declaration of Dennis Erlich

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refer...NTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE&field=org&match=exact
    A New York Times article from 2004, about the Jewish couple who challenged that the Co$ tax exemption should be open to all religious education.

    http://w2.eff.org/legal/cases/Scientology_cases/
    Collection of many cases (varied topics, mostly indexed)

    http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1995/1995rcs2-1130/1995rcs2-1130.html
    Hill vs. Church of Scientology (Toronto)

    http://www.religio.de/therapie/sc/hana.html
    Affidavit of Hana Whitfield Scientologist 1965-1984

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=26&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
    The former Clearwater Mayor, and Former Clearwater Police chief, being interviewed by WBM, talking about Scientology in Clearwater.

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc...nk=gst&q=Pattinson complaint#7436e5dcf834a39d
    Michael Pattinson's lawsuit against Scientology

    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
    Over 50 court docs Minton, Prince, Brooks, Franks, Young etc.
    Declarations, Transcripts, Rebuttals, Exhibits, Briefs

    http://www.casp.net/doc-1a.html
    CoS California vs Larry Wollersheim
    Superior Court State of California July 2, 1993

    http://www.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/media/amlawyer-3.96.html
    Interesting analysis (with citations) and some time line from Alison Frankel's article on Scientology's tactics in The American Lawyer 1996 - Making Law, Making Enemies
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    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell...tsgruppe-scientology/publikationen/start.html
    Germany’s special goverment group for investigating Scientology

    (examples)
    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell...4-12-anmerkungen-engl-pdf,property=source.pdf
    Comments on the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights of 5th April 2007
    English Version

    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell...kationen/brainwashing-pdf,property=source.pdf
    Brainwashing in Scientology’s Rehabilitation Project Force

    http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell...802-tuerkischer-flyer-pdf,property=source.pdf
    Explaining Scientology in Turkish
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    http://www.solitarytrees.net/cooper/frk.htm
    Operation Freakout re: Paulette Cooper (images of actual documents)

    http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp859.htm
    Documented timeline of operations (re; harassment 1972-1999)

    http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html
    Scientology’s contacts in Florida politics

    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/politics.html
    U.S. politicians and Scientology

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/irs.html
    Scientology vs. the IRS

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/22/scientologists_gag_google/
    The effort to “gag Google”

    http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=116530
    French Scientologists Arrested In Italy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRBpRvoI3Sw
    The leadership of the Church of Scientology

    http://www.lermanet.com/reference/77Granjurypart1.htm
    US vs Mary Sue Hubbard et all

    http://www.lermanet.com/reference/erepubliccalifandscn.txt
    Infiltration of state and city governments

    http://www.lermanet.com/reference/HubbardvsHilter.txt
    A preliminary investigation into the socio-political
    ideology of L. Ron Hubbard and Adolf Hitler

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/
    What Scientology Won't Tell You - An Information Pack"
    Individual essays inlude links to many useful documents.

    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/irs/jeff-irs.htm
    Jeff Jacobsen on CoS and the IRS tax-exempt status

    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_at.html
    Affidavit of Andre Tabayoyon

    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_mt.html
    Affidavit of MaryTabayoyon

    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/jesse_prince_affidavit.html
    Affidavit of Jesse Prince

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/andrhome.html
    The Anderson Report (Board of Enquiry into Scientology) – Australia

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/lee.html
    The Lee Report on Dianetics and Scientology - Canada

    http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/gulags/BrainwashinginScientology'sRehabilitationProjectForce.htm
    "Brainwashing in Scientology's Rehabilitation Project Force," by Stephen A. Kent, Ph.D., Univ. of Alberta

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    Operation Snow White is available at:
    http://www.wwwaif.net/scn/scn_stip_index.php
    (everything is at the link above, however, the navigation is quirky so you have to launch from the home page for some sections.)

    A lesser version is available at:
    http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien411.html
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    The complete files - L Ron Hubbard and the FBI 1943-1993
    http://www.thelibrarycollection.com/hubbard.html
    (note: this is a product that is for sale)
  36. pooks Member

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    This will give you all the information on Slatkin and the cult

    http://www.slatkinfraud.com/index.php
  37. Anónimo Member

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    We should split the thread between the hubbard administration and the miscavigie administration. I´m getting tired about scienos saying the crimes are ancient history.
  38. Re: THE COLD HARD FACTS

    I agree. Two totally different heads of the same snake.
  39. thehunter Member

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    As the thread OP, I actually support this idea. Perhaps we can have two threads for just factual information; one being the historical Co$, one being for those incidents involved in the current Co$.
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