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Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

Discussion in 'Asia Pacific' started by Kookaburra, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. Kookaburra Member

    Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Well this was quite fun. It was a smallish but very effective raid. There were 8 of us altogether. A couple of people that hadn't been to a demonstration for awhile showed up, so that was great.

    We had the small PA system and Gottabrain, Armband Guy and I took turns addressing the arriving Scilons on the subjects of slave labour, imprisonment, regging, having to buy multiple books, thought control, DM's lifestyle, life inside the cult vs real world, complacency with abuse of human rights, confront of what I was saying, thinking for themselves, original goals and purposes vs current scene, comparison of Scn management information control vs communist gov't information control, the $10,000,000 collected to renovate a now condemned building, and the existence of safe houses and help getting re-established if they decide to get out. Let's see, did I forget anything?

    The police were there, 4 of them, including an inspector, but didn't give us the runaround as they often have before at event raids. A couple of funny things happened. Mike Gordon was at the front door. I went across to have a word with him. He was extremely hostile. Spitting nails type hostile, and refused to talk to me. 1.5 at high volume, for those of you who still speak cultese. So I went back across the street. I think he then spoke to someone because the music that they were playing to drown us out all of a sudden went so loud the neighbouring buildings were in danger of collapsing from the vibration! Then he went over and bawed to the police. One of them came over to me and asked if we could turn down the PA. I pointed out that I couldn't even hear the PA over the music (which you couldn't). He said they would turn down the music as well. But the Scilons took about 5 minutes to turn down the music, so we took a break and danced to the music.


    They used bus tech again. So the other point of address was just below the bus. This was further away from their big speakers and quite near the stairwell door that they were using to get the people into the building so was actually a pretty good spot. Then some Scilon came out the laundry door with a stereo, put it down on the road with speakers aimed strait at us and cranked it up FULL BLAST tuned to a local radio station playing rap music. So we moved back up.

    A little while later, after more bawing to the police, the inspector came over and asked us if we would mind moving up the street just a little. Someone questioned just how far and from what point, the revolving doors? Then an Anon suggested 14 metres from the revolving front door would be reasonable. I pointed out that we had been down the street on the other side of the bus but had moved back up because their stereo was so loud. He said ask them to turn down the stereo. So we happily moved back down (to the spot almost directly opposite the stairwell door that they were actually using ) and I went to the laundry door to ask them to turn down the music. And who should be behind the laundry door but Virginia Stewart! Well, Virginia took one look at me and threw a right royal hissyfit befitting of the likes of Suri Cruise! She tried to pull the door shut and pulled it right into me. All I was doing was politely asking her to turn down the music as the inspector had suggested. The inspector noticed I was having trouble and quietly signaled me to go back across the street as he was walking over. So I backed off and the door went
    SLAM
    just as the inspector was walking up to it. (sore foot, Virginia?)

    Edward Dickey the security guard saw this and went rushing over to do the PR rescue. He had a short word with the inspector and then picked up the whole stereo and took it away. lol So there we were right across from the entry point they were using with no music interference at all. :D Shortly after this the inspector got in his car and drove off, waving to us as he passed.

    So all in all, things went pretty smoothly (for us). Lots of Scilons got to hear what we had to say. And even better, lots of Scilons got to witness OSA antics first hand. As did the local police.

    All in all, we were there an hour and a half. I am not sure how many Scilons arrived. There were usually a half dozen or so visible as they arrived and entered, so it was a bit of a trickle but continued for over an hour. Anon Barbie estimated less than 100 but I think there may have been more. But definitely less than last year! The majority were Asian. Nobody but the Anons and the exes looked happy. OSA looked particularly Not one Scilon appeared to be in party mode, more like they were going to a funeral. And then they will go inside and hear David Miscavige telling them that Anon is dead and defeated. Wonder how many other obvious lies they will need before they wake up.
  2. lokimotion Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Excellent raid, well done. Do you have pictures or videos to share?
  3. Kookaburra Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    I'm sure Racecar will share.
  4. ryangiggs Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    "Most were Asian".
    From Taiwan I suppose?
    If so, maybe you guys need to put together a couple of big signs in their dialect with an appropriate message, for next time they turn up.

    Great stuff.
  5. Kookaburra Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Yes, most of the AOSH public is from Taiwan. Taiwan has never had an Anon cell, unfortunately, and I think the Asians are easier to isolate even when they are here.

    I was wondering about the language...if perhaps some of them don't speak English so may not even know what the issues are when they see our signs and hear our speeches.
  6. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    excellent idea ^^^^^^^^ do eeet

    great work guys!!!
    SO important that you were there to represent Anonymous even though David Miscavige said he was victorious. (victorious only in his own mind)
    BWA HA HA
    Eat it DM!
  7. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Great work guys.
  8. Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Great work, Kooka and friends.

    Sure does sound like OSA ANZO is now TOTAL EFFECT of Sydanons - UFO-culties are on the edge.

    Keep up the good work.
  9. OTBT Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    A summary of OT 1 to OT 8 in Mandarin (Taiwanese?), condensed from Wikileaks.

    This was posted by Cenu, a Taiwanese anon < Cenu, heh heh >. See further down the thread for translation:

    Ex Scientologist Message Board - View Single Post - Sydney photos

    運作中的希坦一至八級(Operating Thetan I - VIII)的完全經文,可以在維基泄密(wikileaks.org)找到,但網址暫時在改建中。在此之前 ,詳細的摘要在菲什曼的誓章中(The Fishman Affidavit),也是法庭紀錄,是山達基首席律師確認是真正的。

    菲什曼的誓章後來被法庭封鎖了,但荷蘭作家 Karin Spaink 貼在她的網址,經過多年官司,荷蘭法庭判她勝訴。美國法庭判定這些經文不算是商業秘密,但受到版權保護,所 以公平引用的摘要是絕對合法的。

    山達基教會警告,若不跟從正當步驟讀經文,會染肺炎而死。但這樣死的從沒有聽聞,本人可以作活 生生的例證。

    但山達基人偷看經文是重罪,你們是過不了測謊機的(E-meter),看過了必然斷送了你們的自由之路。事實上,偷看過了而不爆的(blow=離教),教會不會放 過你這個金蛋。

    這個摘要,是根據菲什曼誓章,Stacy Brooks 的透視,和 Maria Pia Gardini 誓章,加上「Mrs Smith」的翻譯,但非山達基人看到了全文也完全不知道是什麼回事,沒頭沒腦的,其他人的解說也不完整, 因為有些概念很難簡短形容,山達基詞彙不可以用普通詞彙解釋,而且有些人完成了某OT級後,也不知道它是什 麼,教會說通過了便通過了。

    這些經文可能有多個版本,教會也有新舊之分。經文是教會最高機密,是不能離開課室的,個人的回憶不盡相同。 可以帶走的資料也不能給任何人看到。所以外人不可以確認那是正確版本。菲什曼的版本是最早公開的,與後期的 不甚相同,他也不是深資山達基人,只是從別人手中得到經文,但只有他的版本被山達基律師確認。

    OT I

    教會說第一步是要以新鮮的觀點看這個物質宇宙和其它眾生。菲什曼說有三個版本,最新的只有一個「看人」的指 令,執行直到有認知(cognition)。瑪麗亞說是那真是胡扯蛋,就是你自己一個人走來走去,去「看到 」一些東西。她走到咖啡店磨時光,回去說有覺新(wins)便完成了。

    OT II

    教會說這級解鎖整個時間軌跡(億兆年的宇宙歷史)中偏差錯亂的因素,這些因素使希坦(精神個體)失去天生的 自由。

    偏差錯亂是因為你的希坦在億兆年的宇宙歷史中曾經被「強制性植入」(implants)。你會拿到一張列出 長長的植入表單,包括電擊植入、言語植入等等。你必須深入時間軌跡,一個個把這些植入處理掉。這是在獨自聽 析中完成,聽析中你必須大聲的跟自己講話。 開始聽析時,你必須在時間軌跡上想到光點的出現,然後從那光點去找植入事件,儀表(E-meter)上的讀數確認事件的發生,然後解讀儀表上的指針動作, 來來回回的以「兩分法」(或分裂 dichotomies)處理植入事件, 磨掉(run)它們。

    OT III 火之牆

    教會說這一級獨自聽析藏著宇宙的秘密,你面對並剷除一直困擾著這個宇宙千萬年的人類心理障礙,一旦完成,被 「時間軌跡壓倒」纏住了的你,可以解放出來。開始這級之前,要簽棄權書,大意是可能發生到你的身體或精神上 的任何事件,山達基組織、其分支機構和成員,一切不負責。

    瑪麗亞是科幻小說迷,早已唸過了,內容跟一本羅恩賀伯特的科幻小說很相似,差點兒拍成好萊塢電影。「銀河系 大魔頭」基努(Xenu),在七億五千萬年前為了解決人口過剩問題,把大量外星人捕捉,掉入地球的火山中, 用原子彈炸得魂魄四散,然後把我們看到的所為現實,花幾星期時間植入這些東西的腦子,之後這些支離破碎的破 希坦(Body Thetan,簡稱 BT)便吸附在人類的肉身上面。誰人若是覺察到「現實」只是灌輸,是會觸發自動毀滅程式,只有羅恩賀伯特發 明的技術,可以打破了這個程式。

    聽析時,你必須跟你身上的破希坦講話,你想著不同的地方,儀表的指針讀數會告訴你破希坦是否在那兒,然後要 它們離開你的身體,再找不到破希坦便通過這級。

    OT IV

    教會說這級處理在你整個時間軌跡上,由藥物和毒品所引起的潛在問題。

    這級要處理「破希坦團塊」( Body Thetan Clusters)。你現在要處理整個時間軌跡裡的藥物,還有你身上破希坦所服的藥物,這些破希坦在你做完 OTIII之後還沒走光,因為他們有嗑過藥。

    OT V

    教會說新OTV是第二度火之牆,對付使你不能抵達完全自由境界的最後障礙。

    原來一切也是破希坦,你的思維、愛、腳趾、鞋、月亮。這些破希坦跟團塊是沉睡型的,你必須把它們喚醒,然後 賦予它們身分地位,這樣它們就會走開了。

    OTV 是這樣做的,聽析員的指令:「觀看你的身體(不是用肉眼),找出破團塊。」當聽析員在電儀表上讀到指數時他 又問:「在哪裡?」你回答:「在膝蓋上。」然後,你必須用心電感應式的交流與那隻破希坦溝通,無聲問它說: 「你是什麼東西?」破希坦可能回答你說:「香蕉。」於是你告訴聽析員「香蕉」。

    有時候答案可能是「一張紙」之類的其他答案,反正你想到什麼就說什麼。聽析員得到答案後又說:「好,告訴它 『你就是香蕉。』」也就是說,香蕉就是它的身分。於是你告訴破希坦它是一根香蕉,在這時它應該就會走開了, 或是它想繼續留在那裡。 如果它在你問「你是什麼東西?」時沒有離開的話,你就問「你是誰?」然後你向破希坦收集了一大串名字:那破 倫,凱薩大帝,約翰屈伏塔……你一一告訴聽析員,他告訴你哪個名字有讀數,那就是破希坦的身分,得到示意後 的破希坦就會離開,打走所有破希坦便完成OTV。

    OT VI

    教會說這級是下一級獨自聽析的訓練,因為非常之強勁,所以自成一級。

    這一級又是破希坦跟破團塊!而且跟OTV的指令一樣,就是那兩項「你是什麼」還有「你是誰」,但是自己親自 來做聽析的。

    OT VII

    教會說這級需要長時間,在家中每日獨自聽析。

    這個等級的正果(the end phenomenon) 是: 各式各樣的破希坦都不存在,沒有昏睡型的、沒有嗑藥的……什麼都沒有,其中一項是壓抑類型的破希坦(sup pressive BTs) 。

    打走破希坦的方法跟OTV和VI是一樣的,不相同的只是一手握雙鑵,破希坦走了儀表指針會浮的。你身體上的 破希坦若是全走了,你的身體在你看來是半透明的。

    有時候,你會遇到破希坦從你身上飄到大門旁邊,你必須想像出一把剪刀,剪掉他與你身體之間的連線。有時候, 你會有層層重疊的破希坦,所以呢,你必須想像出一雙手來把他們揮掉。

    這時你知道,整個宇宙也是破希坦,山達基目的是使整個宇宙消失,一個人怎樣努力也打不走所有破希坦,所以要 地球所有人幫忙。因此阻礙山達基 的人必然要用任何手段消除,因為整個宇宙受到威脅,全地球,所有人億萬年的命運,決定於你現時在這兒做什麼 。因此為甚麼羅恩賀伯特建立了監護人辦事處,把所有政府及敵對的社會轉為完全遵守山達基的規則 。

    很多人獨自在房間內打破希坦,每日數小時,有十五年之久。這些人被剝奪了所有自己的感覺, 他們已經失去了責任感—事實上,失去所有與自己情緒的接觸,自己的想法,連自己的希望和願望。它們已成為沉 溺於不負責任,生活於幻想世界的人。他們真正相 信一個怪誕的未來,其最終目標是山達基世界,這個世界上,每個不同意山達基的人將會靜靜地、沒有悲傷地被除 去。

    OT VIII 真相大白

    教會說這級獨自聽析,對付時間軌跡上失憶的主要原因,並讓你一見你自己的存在真相。

    OTVIII有數個版本,菲什曼的被稱為「耶穌愛好男孩和男生」版,山達基律師初時指出這文件是侵權,即是 真正的,但後來改口說這是假的。

    其它的版本與瑪麗亞口述的類似,裡面指出:「你編做了(mocked up)你自己的反應式心靈,你編做了你自己的破希坦,你編做了你自己的前生。」裡面包括羅恩賀伯特的斷言( affirmation):「現在知道過去的我不是我,有興趣找尋真的我是誰。」

    基本上,OTVIII 是要你照著 「人類歷史 」(History of Man)這本書裡的題目做聽析,一直從進化軌跡回到蛤蜊(clams)時代,因為人類是由蛤蜊進化成的。你 必須要在時間軌跡裡一路做,回到蛤蜊時代為止,斷定過失行為(overt),然後找出破希坦。

    你要用心電感應方式與破希坦溝通,找出它的過失、寫下來、然後用電儀表問破希坦:「這是你做的嗎?」「這是 我做的嗎?」如果有讀到指數,你就示意那是誰的過失,使指針浮動,就這樣繼續做……結果你會幫時間軌跡裡的 所有破希坦們清掉所有的過失。這就是所謂的真相大白。
  10. supafreak Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    That'll do it. Mandarin is the official language in Taiwan.
  11. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Nice.
  12. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Thanks much for this report. It confirms Sci Management's lame attempt of sucking in minorities with few assets for "raw meat" slave labor. God help them if they wind up in the United States. Here in the U.S., the FBI and any other State Agencies are completely and utterly void of any help or advocacy to Scientoligist victims in any form or way whatsover. Sci slaves are much better off in other countries.

    In fact, if anyone finds themselves in the U.S. as a hostage or slave of Scientology here, I would suggest they appeal to another country like France or Germany or Italy and seek Religious Asylum. It can be done.
  13. ryangiggs Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    I thought their lingo was called Hokkein or something.
    Wonder what kind of short sign message would get through to the Taiwan cultured mind?

    ---------------------------
    IT'S A SCAM!
    signed,
    Your dead ancestors
    ---------------------------

    ;)
  14. OTBT Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    I don't speak Mandarin or Hokkien. But I think Hokkien is the Hong Kong Chinese dialect, not sure though. There seems to be lots of different variations of "Chinese" language, and different variations of Mandarin, as well.

    Taiwanese speak their own version of Mandarin, according to Wikipedia:

    Taiwanese Mandarin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is at least one Taiwanese anon that has posted before here on WWP, hopefully he / she will see this thread. Taiwanese anon posted this earlier:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/99-international-discussion/14-year-old-pre-victim-sydney-org-64957/
  15. Anonymous Member

    Humiliation for their PR!

    oh, dayum, and I thought Anonymous had been defeated by David Miscavige!

    Glad to see that the police are being more reasonable these days.

    (Remind me. Do they now have new years eve one day early? have they always done that? i.e. 30 Dec instead of 31 Dec)

    It's enturbulation like this that makes me smile. Even though the clams are indoctrinated into ignoring y'all, surely there must be niggling doubts in their minds. Glorious to see you faggots still at it, after 3 years.

    tl;dr well done!
  16. Gottabrain Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Nice summary, Kooka!

    We had heaps of fun. But the Scilons were so SAD! So DEPRESSED! It was really weird.

    Getting through to them wasn't so hard, it was kind of like shooting ducks in a barrel. Some really listened.

    We LIKES our Inspector! He hates loud music. He says it gives him a headache, so he was happy to have us go to the other entrance where they only had a teeny weeny boombox rather than the huge speakers and tell them to keep it down. Worked well, since that was where the public were going in. The security/OSA guys were all grins and slapping hands when the police were moving us, till they saw where we were going. Then the LONG LONG faces. Lol!

    Lots of people in the parking lot were leaning in and talking to us as we explained why we were there. Talked to a few of the Scns, too. One shopper got angry with the Scns for blocking the road trying to load books into the building. That was fun with the police there. The shopper honked, we yelled, he honked more, the police asked the car to move and not block traffic. Funny stuff!

    It was really a stupid and crap place to have a New Years' celebration. I don't think any of them actually wanted to be there. And they didn't want us there. Thought we were gone? Wow, what will it take for them to realize David Miscaviage lies?
  17. Kookaburra Member

    Re: Humiliation for their PR!

    I think the New Years event has been changed to the 30th as it is no longer a celebration, it is an implant. Back when I was in Scn the event was always the 31st and it was a short briefing, then a party with a live band and lots of food, champagne and so on. In the late 80's it changed and was just a boring speech from Int execs and then there was something you were supposed to buy while you ate your cheese and crackers. What a letdown when you were all revved up for a wild NY bash! I suspect people stopped showing up on the 31st.

    The Scientologists I talked to last night had NO answers for why they let the abuse continue, or how they reconciled human rights violations with the goals of Scientology. They were completely befuddled. So they tried their damnedest to ignore what we were saying. But I don't think they were doing too well at ignoring it. They looked very socked in, even before listening to a couple of hours of DMs rant.

    I do not think Scientology has much time left. Those people who are still showing up have to start questioning sooner or later.
  18. supafreak Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Hokkien = Minnan = Taiwanese. Same-same. Whether they're Chinese dialects or languages in their own right is up for debate.
  19. Kookaburra Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    We need to find someone from Taiwan who can translate picket signs.
  20. Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Just like to add something here: Sydney Scis are really getting sick of me documenting them (ie photographing). They had 3 people there whose primary focus was photographing ME! They had Tojo, as usual. They had another OSA guy with a videocamera and another guy (public I think) taking photos. He even crossed the street to photograph me. And they had some decent equipment this time. I must say, I have been disappointed with the cheap nasty equipment they have been using to photograph me in the past. It's kind of insulting. It's like saying Anonymous isn't enough of a problem to justify spending the money. So this was a fresh change. A welcome one. I would rather the camera companies get the money than Scientology

    They had a Scientologist come over and ask me to stop photographing and then approach the police who then asked me to delete the photos. I refused. They try this with every new cop.

    Anyway, OSA Mike and Cyrus were extremely hostile and angry. I got some nice shots of this, and I will post soon (I've had no internet). The pressure on the events, even with only a few people seems to really make a difference.

    My 2 cents: They are trying to paint Anon badly and document it to assist in the Kingi case, which has not been deliberated yet. Also, the Sydney public are reflecting this year that there is still no ideal org hence the long faces. The ideal org button seemed to really work during the protest. Michael looks ready to blow IMHO (crosses fingers).
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Asians including Taiwanese don't have the concept of privacy in public places. You can witness the videos they posted at the New Year party at Flag. They shoot everybody everywhere anytime. (where's the vidoes?)
  22. Mark Cabian Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Here's Chinese, if that helps:
    Operation Clambake presents: The XENU Leaflet
  23. supafreak Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    English is a popular language in Taiwan. A lot of people learn it, both in school and through private tuition, but many can understand written English better than spoken English. As long as signs are easy to understand and legible, I don't see the problem.
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Pardon my ignorance, but what is the Kingi case?
  25. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Sign idea:

    "Need help getting home?"
  26. conatus Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    DO WANT
  27. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Never used the search menu ? Time to start.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Or you can just answer if you know it.
  29. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    It is a secret and Ann does not know about it.
  30. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Fed up of lazy people.
    Pure speculation.
  31. xenubarb Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    SHEN DA JI, BU YAO!

    That oughta do it. "Scientology, DO NOT WANT."

    Took some chinese in high school. :)
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Unniversal signs can help too!
    Don't always need words
    Like Lisa McPherson, or the word Scientology with skull and crossbones
    And I am sure they know the words Google and Scientology
    A picture of someone emptying out their pockets and the word Scientology?
    A pic of a credit card on top of a COS church in the middle of their cross?
    you get the idea
  33. Anonymous Member

  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    they also should know about the Freewinds asbestos in their own language
    perhaps a few printed pamphlets in their lingo?
  35. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    this sign with the word Scientology added?

    exits.jpg
  36. Sponge Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    and make it flash...

    cultexit2.gif
  37. supafreak Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Yes - in Chinese characters: 山達基 - 不要 <--- copy that script into Word, increase the font size and print.

    Oh and play them "Return to the Hometown" by Wu Bai (another big Taiwanese star): [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-IGUF5V6A]YouTube -[/ame] It's in Taiwanese, and it's about returning to your ancestral home which is your blood and soul. Family and roots are a big deal in Chinese and Taiwanese culture. Push that button.

    Speaking of, make a sign with "your family misses you" - 你的家人想念你
  38. ryangiggs Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    ^
    You got the right idea.

    Yeah, I can follow some of the characters, and the pronunciation of them is a little different to Mandarin.

    How 'bout the Taiwan national anthem? That might get their initial attention.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    Fatman was assaulted by an ex-boxer.

    Also some great tips for dealing with the Taiwanese. Thankyou for this.
  40. Anonymous Member

    Re: Sydney New Years Event Raid Dec 30 2010

    ^^^^ they may not understand this one if they are public members. Especially if they are traveling with their families.
    It is ok for any of them that join the Sea Org tho.
    But I would stick to educating the public COS members

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