Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by Anonymous, Jan 29, 2011.
I think the OP is a worry.
Not sure why this subject is being discussed here.
My premise is simple.
If you have a burning need to fuck children - kill yourself.
If you act on those desires and rape a child - you deserve to be murdered.
Anything else is irrelevant.
None of which is relevant to OPs post, but thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread.
PPL That are into loli stuff claim the girls are of age, they just look young.
Either way, I think anything depicting sex with a child is disgusting.
I think ppl that draw or view drawn cp haven't committed a crime.(until the sick fuck gets ahold of a real child.)
That said, where SHOULD the line be drawn? What if the ppl that make cg porn movies started making the same movies depicting children? Anyone that gets off on cp of any type would more than likely commit the actual act if given the chance.
All in all, I guess its freedom of expression, but when you involve children, drawn or real, it becomes a touchy subject.
You sure as hell won't see me out there protesting in favor of child pron.
Anyone that likes the stuff, PLEASE, go kill yourself.
And then, what of the legitimate adult pr0n with starts who look like they're on the wrong side of 30 (iow, they would have been sent to Carousel years before in the Logan's Run world) dressing in schoolgirl outfits? Where is the line drawn? On a semi-related note, what was up with 1970s science fiction movies and unknowing cannibalism on the part of the people?
More proof of the dictatorial police state that is ahead of us all (not just america)
Ever played Doom or Postal? Ever enjoyed the fight scenes in 300 or pretty much any other action movie ever? Congratulations, you're now a closet murderer waiting for the opportunity to unleash your bloodlust on society. Wow, who knew Jack Thompson was right?
Uh oh, I hope nobody enjoys certain types of pornography (or enjoys rape role-play with a consenting adult). Now you're a danger to society waiting to happen.
There's a very clear distinction between depicting something in a fictional medium and doing it in real life. The former is a form of expression, the latter is a crime. Making or viewing the former does not necessarily imply a desire to do the latter. Unless you'd like to argue that anybody who plays teh Haloz is a hair's breadth away from shooting up their high school.
In Sweden and Australia, would this run afoul of their CP laws?
This is Michelle "The Karate Hottie" Waterson, MMA fighter with a record of 8-3 (5 submission wins, 2 KO wins) and model. She's 25 years old, and I wish her well on this, her first Mother's Day as a mother. Also, she was hilarious when she took down that bitch on Bully Beatdown.
...if you'll excuse me, I think I just need to use Google for a few hours.
As long as that post made you fap think.
I make some of my points in semi-jest, but the underlying concern is real. Where is the line drawn between that is permissible and that which is not? Could it not be said that using younger adults who are over the age of majority, dressed as juveniles, might be a form of simulating CP? I largely agree with much of what has been said: If someone really wants to have sex with a minor, they should seek counseling. If someone acts on those impulses with a child or takes concrete steps to act on those impulses (To Catch A Predator, for example), they should turn themselves into authorities. That said, if something that does not require the harm of a child helps someone so afflicted vent those desires in a safe and controlled manner, I'm not sure that should be criminalized. Oh, they still definitely need to spend a lot of time on the couch and be removed from any responsibilities that require they interact unsupervised with children, but thought is not a crime.
Are you experiencing trouble spelling the word "irrationally" ?
LOL, bad spelling on motivational posters FTW
Wow.... I must be getting old. When did they stop calling it "fapping" and start calling it "Googleing"?
Now excuse me... Gonna go Google myself over this:
On the OP's points, it boils down to this: CP in any way, shape, or form causes people to RAGE. I kinnda see the point in their law because they have a worry that it endorses CP if it is not there. However, I don't agree that "ZOMG Drawn CP == Real CP!!!11". If that were the case, then violent media would also cause mass murdering and violence... Humm, that doesn't seem to be happening.
The whole thing is that CP is a taboo in civilized society. It strikes nerves regardless of the medium or whether it be fictional or not. This whole discussion about drawn CP will continue for a long time, however the generalized mindset for CP is Zero Tolerance. While I do agree that drawn images don't harm the characters drawn, I would hate to see that used as a precedent for much worse.
FIFY. Now kill yourself tinfoil fag.
Also, if there is no celebration of the schoolgirl fetish, where would the next Brittney Spears be? That one video is the reason she had a career, and it certainly didn't hurt Lindsay Lohan (Mean Girls). On second thought, another Brittney Spears or LiLo? DO NOT WANT!!!
Personally, I got a thing for women in jeans... Yeah, I am fucked in the head. Then again, who isn't?
Basically though, when it comes to CP, the rule is: "CP: DO NOT WANT and Kill it with fire". Therefore laws such as what the OP described are gonna come around. Is it right? Is it a violation of free speech/expression? Hard to say since the whole topic of CP causes people to rage and causes nerves to be rubbed wrong. We all can agree that CP is wrong and pedophiles need to DIAF. However, when it comes to drawn CP, this could create a precedent that may have disastrous unintended consequences. Then again, if fictional images cause realistic actions then why isn't the US, my land, mass murdering each other and what not? It isn't despite what the media says.
Ultimately though this is a philosophical and ideological debate with no clear winner. However, the mindset of a vast majority goes right back to what I said: DO NOT WANT & Kill It With Fire.
I am twelve and what is this?
I agree with most of the arguments ITT, and I understand how CP is a sensitive issue that causes strong reactions, but I don't think it's fair to necessarily conflate liking a fictionalized depiction of a socially unacceptable and/or criminal act with some kind of repressed desire to act it out in reality. People who enjoy watching Saw movies don't all need counseling (though some might). It's a false premise, and one that favors the censors position, but everybody's so scared of being labelled a pedo that they concede it way too easily.
That being said, getting back OT for OPs post, will those listed Swedeish politicians be receptive to English emails? Or is there a pre-written Swedish copypasta we can use to write them about this issue?
Deep philosophical question: Would someone who has a fetish for women in kimonos, cheongsams, or other traditional Chinese and Japanese garb, regardless of the ethnicity of the woman, automatically be a weeaboo?
Humm... Don't know. I know that you can lay bricks all your life and they will never call you a masonry worker. However the minute you suck one cock...
It isn't gay if the balls don't touch.
I see pedophilia is quite prevalent in the cult of Scientology - and they claim freedom of religion - maybe they should take up this cause?
I think manga and comics like that would be just a little bit out-2D for them.
Dead Or Alive Dimensions won't release in Sweden because of this law
It was only a matter of time really. A piece of culture goes us amiss because a couple of polygons are labeled 17 instead of 18.
Pirate Bay here I come!
where is Pirate Bay hosted?
When I was a child there was a "close call" incident. An old man in my neighborhood had me cornered, being a young kid, I didn't understand what was going on so I just pushed him away and said "this is weird, I'm gonna go play." He didn't bother me again and I forgot about it.
Several years later, as an adult, I had a nightmare about it, but in the dream I didn't get away. I'd never spoken to anyone about it, but I drew a depiction of the nightmare in my journal and in doing so was able to "get it out of my head."
I draw out the things that bother me, it is how I cope with deeply emotional and personal issues when words are just too difficult.
The drawing itself may not be very graphic, but it would probably be considered pretty suggestive. It bothers me that under that law, I would probably be arrested, or would be if I had drawn the more graphic elements of the nightmare.
BRB, finding journal & burning page.
Y'all triggers posting in a noll thread.
Instead of going after the arts (which is crazy, what are you going to do, shut down art galleries for showing renaissance or reformation paintings that depict naked baby angels??) why not take the logical approach to men, and it is usually men, that can't control their junk, and remove that junk. I'd sooner 1000 offenders were neutered than just one kid attacked.
They go to jail, they get let out to re-offend. It's bullshit, and the answers are simple when faced with the very real problem of kids being attacked.
But that's just me, maybe I'm the one crazy and wrong. Seems logical though.
Oh and I don't mean literally chopping off bits.
There are more established means - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8362605.stm
Arrest you and the people who liked it. Why.....not cause you like it....BUT CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WHO POSTED THIS!
Dude reallly? This is something u dont tell anyone ever or better yet just DONT DO!
This has arrest me cause Im an epic moron written all over it.
Oh and whether its art or .....whatever you dictate....its still pedo.
For real. Nice on exposing yourself. Fucking retard.
move to the dome
A lot of you fucks on here really depress me. Fighting for freedom of expression means fighting for things you might find personally distasteful and if you can't handle that then you should GTFO because you're doing more harm than good by leaving the rest of us open to accusations of hypocrisy.
You let them away with banning silly drawings and you're on the slippery slope to getting the written word banned - and I'm not talking about paedo fantasy sites/books here either. Ban Shakespeare because Juliet was underage and Romeo was wanting to nonce her.
Hey, I know! Let's progress on and ban child sexual abuse victims from being able to recount their stories in the public arena while you're at it. You're not thinking this through very much, are you?
Depictions of love as drawing can never be "banned" unless the works of Michaelangelo are censored.
People who act upon their sick urges should be castrated chemically, or destroyed by vigilante mobs.
What if one of them is 18 and the other 17? It's only natural.
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