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Sweden's insane child pr0n law; can we do something about it?

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by Anonymous, Jan 29, 2011.

  1. Anonymous Member

    First off let's put some disclaimers here:
    This is about art, drawings etc. Not actual child porn which is very harmful to kids and nobody supports in any way, including myself. The law says drawing child porn is illegal which is a big infringement on freedom of expression and artistic freedom.

    From this article in Swedish newspaper "Aftonbladet" (You'll need google translate I couldn't get it to work for whatever reason); a translator and artist who translates manga, draws and studies japanese culture has been convicted of possesion of (drawn) child pornography.

    Basically the law says it's illegal to draw child porn. The definition of "child porn" is anything under the age of 18. So if you're drawing a character having sex or depict a character in a sexual manner and that character is under 18; you're guilty.

    Of course, this makes little to no sense whatsoever. First off, how do you determine the age of a fictional character? What happens if your character isn't human but an alien or a goblin? How well drawn do the pictures have to be? It's just ludicrous and utterly insane. Second; no child is hurt if you're drawing child porn. I thought the reason child porn was banned was to protect the children from being abused... Drawing child porn is therefore a victimless crime.

    There's a funny twist to this however, one that Anonymous can use for lulz and justice. It's illegal to view drawn child porn as well. That means if you draw child porn and I see it - I'm guilty. So... anons in countries where drawing child porn is legal could draw something like stick figures or whatever depicting child porn and email them to the dumbasses that made this law. If they open the emails they are by law guilty of viewing child pornography. And before you moralfags chime in - this is probably the fastest and most effective way of getting rid of it because if the politicians realise they might face court over this bullshit, they'll make sure to repeal it, especially if the media follows up on it. Plus, I'd rather see the people who made and passed the law get burnt by it rather than the citizens who elected them.

    Thoughts?
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  2. Anonymous Member

    operation rude cartoon storm? missing from OP, list of gov email addresses
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  3. xenubarb Member

    yeah...I don't think I'll be stepping up to this plate.
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  6. Anonyfruit Member

    As a loli-artist, i willeth support this.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    OP is a Catholic Priest prove me wrong.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    You eat babies. Prove me wrong.
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  11. Throwing my two cents in here. I suggest we get all the SwedishFags together to march on the government building, whilst us AmFags, BritFags, or whatever be your home place, send animated cp to them, but make sure to sign it as our responsibility to protect our SwedeFag brothers.

    Damn shame we don't have more operatives than we do. I suggest mass recruiting.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    A quick google gives me this list
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  13. Anonymous Member

    You let people access drawn stuff today, can you proove if wont make some of them desire the actual thing tomorrow?

    Also where do you draw the line with the art, if the art is incredibly realistic instead of cartoony that's not a good thing.

    If you like child porn, or even art that shows girls/boys under the age of 16 in sexual acts, there is something wrong with you.
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  14. Anonymous Member

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    All you haters, feel free to leave at any time.
    Me? I'm going to have a seat, right over here.
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  15. thefatman Member

    If you like child porn, or even art that shows girls/boys under the age of 16 in sexual acts, there is something wrong with you.[/quote]

    It's the same in Australia. Someone got done for having a picture of Bart and Lisa Simpson (ya know who I mean) having sex. Clearly a cartoon and clearly a joke, but since those depicted in the image were known to be under the age of 18 it was seen as being child porn. More importantly, who gives a shit? CP, real or cartoon, is messed up and it's hardly an attempt to stifle freedom of expression or art. By that logic pedobear could certainly claim that his pictures of naked children (real ones, not cartoons) were entirely artistic.

    While there is a possibility that viewing drawn stuff may lead to wanting the real thing, the same arguments have been shown for extreme fetish porn (e.g., rape/domination) or violent video games have been made and no significant effect has been shown. I'm not sure of any research into this particular area though.

    I'm with you on the last comment.

    My biggest problem however, is that, in Australia, you can have all the crazy, kinky, messed-up sex you want and it's perfectly legal, but if you get a photo of your girlfriends tits, you're a pedophile. That is, assuming she's under 18.
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  16. Anonymous Member

    How did you know?
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  17. Anonymous Member

    That's no reason to make it illegal though.
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  18. Anonymous Member

    The reason child porn is illegal is to protect the actual children from being abused. Nobody is being abused when you draw a picture, no matter how realistic.
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  19. UMULAS Member

    uhhhhhh I don't remember that we like seeing child pr0n in the forums..... So if the artist became a retard, he became one. Also when someone makes drawings, it shows what the person is thinking, feeling....
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Copied and pasted emails of Swedish gov officials.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    I am pro CP.
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  29. Fail troll is fail.
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  30. I am havoc Member

    The laws against child porn are reasonable. But drawn porn, is fine. It doesn't hurt anyone. All it is is pencil (or other artistic medium). TO say that it is wrong is just ridiculous.
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  31. Anonymous Member

    I support the notion that is artwork and pictures are intended to depict CP in a manner designed specifically to arouse, then the authors should face the consequences up to and including penalty of death if children were harmed as a result.
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  33. Trev6 Member

    Man, I love this forum. "Freedom of Information! Freedom of Speech! As long as I don't find it personally offensive, because then it's wrong and you should go to jail!"

    So comics depicting murder should obviously land the artist AND the viewer with a murder charge, right?

    'Cause drawing something shows what you're thinking, feeling...

    Some asstard here in Tokyo tried to make a similar law. It was as stupid then as this is now. I'm on board.
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  34. Anonymous Member

    fify.

    CP occupies a special place in the field of ideas.
    Actual CP (as different from artistic inventions) doesn't really have any safe harbor or haven in any of the Anony forums I've seen.

    Even discussion of "what is CP?" icks people out enough, that many moralfags aren't comfortable having it in any of their chats. If you fail to see a difference between 'comics depicting murder' and 'comics depicting CP' then maybe you've spent too much time in Japan, roundeye.

    Agree that its stupid.
    But don't be surprised if you have a hard time garnering support for your PA on this.

    CP has a bad rep. Even fake CP. Even comics that imply CP without actually depicting it.
    Good luck trying to change stuff :/
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  37. I, like everyone else here (assumption, but I hope a safe one), hate CP with a passion. That said, however, there is a good amount of evidence to suggest that drawn/artificial CP actually protects children, by giving those who would offend a safe, harmless outlet for their sick desires. The largest moral and legal concern I have with CP is the fact that children are being harmed to make it possible. If that element is removed, I will say the consumer of it is a sick fuck and strongly suggest they seek professional counseling, but I will not advocate his or her imprisonment. In the end, I'd rather see a legal tolerance for something that disgusts me if that means a child will not suffer later on.
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  38. Trev6 Member

    Arguing whether crime A is more heinous than crime B boils down to emotional and cultural bias.
    Neither of which are relevant when discussing Law. Bottom line, a depiction of a crime is not morally equivalent to a crime.
    If a bunch of faggots want to wring their hands and justify exceptions to Freedom of Speech, they can go die in the biggest fire. Protecting free speech includes protecting offensive, objectionable speech.
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