Strange Ownership at Gold Base? This parcel is found in the Riverside County Assessor's records: Parcel Number: 430150016-2 Map Book: 430 Page/Block: 150 Parcel: 16 Check Digit: 2 ------------- Look at the Ownership address for this record: Property Information Assessed Value Information Parcel Number: 430150016-2 Property Address: 19625 GILMAN HOT SPRINGS RD GILMAN HOT SP CA 92340 Legal Description: N/A Property Type: N/A Assessment Description: GOLDEN GRN PRODUCTION Year Built N/A Square Feet: N/A Bedroom: N/A Bath: N/A Pool: N Lot Size: N/A *********** Ownership Information Mail Address: 1111 OLD EAGLE SCHOOL RD City, State Zip: WAYNE PA 19087 *********** Sales Information Last Recorded Document: N/A/N/A Recording Number: N/A -------- A search for 1111 Old Eagle School Road, Wayne, PA comes up most interestingly - to a list of 'defense contractors.' One contractor listed at that address is named, Haworth, Inc. (don't know if that's any relation to Judge Richard Haworth) Who is that owner?! 1111 OLD EAGLE SCHOOL RD City, State Zip: WAYNE PA 19087 - Google Search ------- This information was found by inputting: 19625 Gilman Hot Springs in the address field. Or simply put the parcel number in the first box: 430150016-2 Then click "view parcel" to see this parcel at Gold Base Property Information Center More being compiled, and will be posted...tomorrow on some of the various tax records at Gold.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? In 1993, Church of Scientology International said to IRS that its integrated auxiliary Building Management Services owned Gilman Hot Spring: http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/irs/1993-1023-bms.pdf#page=8
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Most interesting. I posted some tax records on the Ft. Compound in Florida some months ago, so do not be disappointed by lack of replies .
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Link to post? (I try to collect as much information on scn properties) And as for this one here, I suspect an error in retrieving the record, "Gilman Hot Springs" is not the name of the road on which the compound is located.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? My bad -- I thought the name of the road was simply "Gliman Spring"... Looks like it's the right thing. But there are three records: Parcel Number: 430150016-2 Full Value: 35,457 Ownership Information Mail Address: 1111 OLD EAGLE SCHOOL RD City, State Zip: WAYNE PA 19087 Sales Information Last Recorded Document: N/A/N/A Recording Number: N/A Parcel Number: 430040024-9 Full Value: 34,384,105 Ownership Information Mail Address: 19625 HWY 79 City, State Zip: GILMAN HOT SPRINGS, CA 92340 Sales Information Last Recorded Document: 03/2008 Recording Number: 0147442 Parcel Number: 430150016-2 Full Value: 2,586,610 Ownership Information Mail Address: 19625 HIGHWAY 79 City, State Zip: SAN JACINTO CA 92582 Sales Information Last Recorded Document: 03/2008 Recording Number: 0147422 Somehow, "430150016-2" has two different records.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Could two records possibly reflect a lien holder? There's a finance/capital firm at the PA address. Could jump to conclusions with that one. Ownership name is interesting. "GOLDEN GRN PRODUCTION" Golden...grain, green, groan... help me here... Production Why abbreviate the middle word instead of "production" (prod.) as just about anyone else would? Petty, I know, but a full name might turn up something. Edit: Note that map above shows two tracts, "tract I" and "tract II", at that address.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Visually, "GOLDEN GRN PRODUCTION" looks very like GOLDEN ERA PRODUCTION". My hunch is it's a typo.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Not to start getting too many parcel numbers mixed up here -but you have to see this parcels record: Note there is a 'parcel number' and an assessment number (stick with the parcel numbers) This post refers to: Parcel Number: 430150013-9 Map Book: 430 Page/Block: 150 Parcel: 13 Check Digit: 9 Trade fixtures would indicate a lease. Could be lease from one scn entity to another? But 0 taxes? Not sure if this is exempt. Other info for this parcel: Text: Property Information Assessed Value Information Parcel Number: 430150013-9 Property Address: 19625 HIGHWAY 79 SAN JACINTO CA 92583 Legal Description: N/A Property Type: N/A Assessment Description: N/A Year Built N/A Square Feet: N/A Bedroom: N/A Bath: N/A Pool: N Lot Size: N/A Ownership Information Mail Address: 19625 HIGHWAY 79 City, State Zip: SAN JACINTO CA 92583 Sales Information Last Recorded Document: 06/1989 Recording Number: 9999998 Trade Fixture Business Personal Property 33,760,064 30,276,340 Full Value 64,036,404 Welfare Charity/Religious Exemption 64,036,404 Total Net 00 Assessment Information Assessment Number: 000046431-8 Tax Rate Area: 091-021 Taxability Code: 0-00 Base Year: 0000 Parcel Map Related Property Information City Sphere: N/A 2001 Supervisorial District: N/A Landuse Designation: N/A Agriculture Preserve: NOT IN AN AGRICULTURE PRESERVE School District: N/A Water District: N/A Fema Flood Plan: N/A Tax Assessment District COUNTY FREE LIBRARY COUNTY STRUCTURE FIRE PROTECTION COUNTY WASTE RESOURCE MGMT DIST CSA 152 EASTERN MUN WATER IMP DIST 5 EASTERN MUNICIPAL WATER FLOOD CONTROL ADMINISTRATION FLOOD CONTROL ZONE 4 GENERAL GENERAL PURPOSE METRO WATER EAST 1301999 MT SAN JACINTO JUNIOR COLLEGE RIV CO REG PARK & OPEN SPACE RIV. CO. OFFICE OF EDUCATION SAN JACINTO BASIN RESOURCE CONS SAN JACINTO UNIFIED SCHOOL SAN JACINTO VALLEY CEMETERY VALLEY HEALTH SYSTEM HOSP DIST VALLEY WIDE REC & PARK I have more numbers, if there is a better way to manage this in one thread, let me know!
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Here is the OP parcel (430150016) highlighted and overlaid with aerial mapping imagery..... The other parcel 430150013 looks like its been split up into smaller parcels because I went to get a similar map on that one it came up with..... as shown here.....
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? I have lots more....two parcel numbers resolved to the old, Castile Canyon (Happy Valley) area and supposed school. (one was 320 acres, the other must be the remaining acreage) Here is an article about that property. The (school?) building seems to have been in disrepair per this article. (So much for those glossy brochures): Inland News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California [...] Located about a mile off Soboba Road, just around the corner from tribal headquarters, the property was last owned by the Church of Scientology, which had built and operated a school there. The tribe purchased it four years ago, but the facility remained closed and in disrepair until just a few months ago. "We were figuring out what we were going to do with it," Salgado said. "So we just went in and rehabbed it." Salgado said tribal members voted to turn the facility into a resort to host weddings and retreats and other social functions. As part of the project, the membership agreed to convert the existing baseball field into a football stadium that the tribe-operated Noli High School could use for its games, he said. I got tax sale newspaper docs for some parcels. Rest time though...
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Will be posting several things, there are some lists of parcel numbers coming up. Hopefully, we can find what is what. Someone did some research in 2000, and some things have obviously changed. It's cool that this work done, as it gives us a place to pick up. Thanks very much to the donor of this information. From 2000, public notice in the Hemet news, that certain parcels were going up for tax sale at Gold Base:
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? List: SCIENTOLOGY PROPERTIES AS SHOWN ON TAX ASSESSOR's ROLLS FOR RIVERSIDE COUNTY Listed on tax rolls under BUILDING MANAGEMENT SERVICES The list was not dated, formally. First I assumed it was from a 2000-2001 list because of another stack of printouts (up next) for the same tax year. It does not appear to be a compilation of all the other printouts I have. I'm going through all the numbers, starting fresh. (good idea anyway) You'll see some marks that I made, dashes (-) for numbers that I did not find online; checks for numbers found online. The last one is on the tax rolls for the 'Noli School,' formerly one of the parcels being the Castile Canyon property.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? There are 10 pages here, from a list dated 20 June, 2000 Title: Assessee Index for the Year 2000-2001 (disregard page nos at the top, there was one more assessor printout page In the stack than was marked.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Parcel 430-160-002 Note lower left of this asessment- Does the name Jeff Stone suggest favoritism on this property assessment? Property Information Center
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? snipped to this one: Here is the Assessor info and Map for parcel 430040024-9. There is a recorded document number on the Assessor page, (under 'Sales Information) and it appears this parcel was deeded to Riverside County in 2008. Assessor Info Map Recorder of Deeds info found at http://www.enetwizard.com/shop/affiliates/11467_01/pre.asp document number search '2008-0147442' Definition: A Grantor conveys whatever title the Grantor possesses in real estate to a grantee, the buyer. The property was deeded from Building Management Services, the Scientology entity to Riverside County. Have to see the actual deed to determine what kind of conveyance it was. (snipped) This is listed on the above-recorders office as "EASEMENT".
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Parcel 4301800109 Property address: 20315 Sublette Road. Gilman Hot Springs 92340 Yes, there is a road that goes past all the 'houses' on the inside of Gold Base. And they need to close Gilman....? Assessor Assessment Map
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Maybe, but these are eminently valuable and admirable geeks. I'm glad someone's working this angle. I never forget they got Al Capone on tax evasion; maybe it'll be some legal technicality the cult never thought of that will bring them down.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Putting this all in one: Adding: New: Assessee for this property is Del Age Landen Operational Services, Inc. at 1111 Old School Road, Wayne, PA. Notice under business, it says 'GTE' ---- Fun facts: How much taxes should be assessed: Office of the Auditor-Controller - Riverside County - What does a Tax Rate consist of? In California, the property tax rate is set at 1%. This rate is constant as guaranteed under Proposition 13 passed in 1978. What this means is that a $1 tax is imposed for every $100 of assessed value of the property. In addition, under the provisions of Proposition 13, any taxes levied by any governmental agency on top of the 1% must be approved by 66 2/3% of the voters. However, in the case of the school bonds, only 55% majority is required as provided for under Proposition 39. Therefore, any rate you will see in your tax bill added to the 1%, represents a debt or debts approved by the voters. and pdf http://www.treasurer-tax.co.riverside.ca.us/tsresults/185_bidinstr.pdf p10 ASSESSMENT NUMBER EXPLANATION An assessment number is an arbitrary number assigned by the assessor to denote the type of interest in the real property described by the assessor's parcel number. In addition to the 9 digit arbitrary assessment number a digit number also is included. Assessment number 008100000 through 008199999 would denote undivided interest in the real property. Assessment numbers 009000000 through 009199999 would denote portional fee ownership in Government Land or community apartments. Assessment numbers 010000000 through 019999999 would denote timeshare interests.
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? De Lage Landen Operational Services, LLC Incorporated by Angela Emrich, Denis McCafferty, J Eric Atherholt, Rita Dimartino, Ronald Slaats, De Lage Landen Operational Services, LLC is located at 111 Old Eagle School Rd Wayne, PA 19087. De Lage Landen Operational Services, LLC was incorporated on Thursday, February 10, 2000 in the State of FL and is currently active. Corporation Service Company represents De Lage Landen Operational Services, LLC as their registered agent. Source: Public Record data - Department of State - Division of Corporations De Lage Landen Operational Services, LLC Company Profile - Located in Wayne, PA - Angela Emrich, Denis McCafferty, J Eric Atherholt, Rita Dimartino
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? There are two recorded financial statements from Building Management Services to GE Capitol Public Finance, (2004 & 2007) Here is one that is not complete. A few of the pages were too small and fuzzy. But you should get the gist that certain Golden Era Production parcels of property, are being used to secure loans. They are in debt....
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? A local news report today with info related to this thread: Soboba tribe writes check for traffic signals | Inland News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? LEASE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTL to CCA/SILBAND GOLFCORP. Document Number: 2000-505223 Recording Date: 12/20/2000 Number of Pages: 11 Document Type: LEASE Grantors Grantees CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTL CCA/SILBAND GOLFCORP Notice, that one day before the LEASE was recorded, a NOTICE OF BULK SALE was recorded from CCA SILBAND GOLFCORP to JACINTO GOLF MGMT LLC Document Number: 2000-502841 Recording Date: 12/19/2000 Number of Pages: 1 Document Type: NOTICE BULK SALE Grantors Grantees CCA SILBAND GOLFCORP JACINTO GOLF MGMT LLC General Info: Selling a Business: Compliance with Bulk Sales Laws Two years later, an UNDEFINED document was recorded by JACINTO GOLF MGMT LLC Document Number: 2002-512679 Recording Date: 9/16/2002 Number of Pages: 1 Document Type: UNDEFINED Grantors Grantees ADAMS STEVE JACINTO GOLF MGMT ADAMS STEVE JACINTO GOLF MGMT (no grantee listed -------------- What do you think this business scenario is? (I'll peg down the parcel numbers for the golf course in this thread a bit later) And who is Steve Adams of Jacinto Golf Mgmt, LLC) There is a Steve Adams, scientologist, Steve Adams - Scientology Service Completions | Truth About Scientology Statistics Project and Vintage post: Some updates re: Scn Staff - Ex Scientologist Message Board 4. Steve Adams - Estates Mgr ASHO D There is also a Steve Adams who is on the Riverside City Council, endorsing Jeff Stone for Senator, Jeff Stone for State Senate 2010 - California 36th Senate District | Our Campaign | Endorsements Endorsements: City: Hon. Steve Adams Council Member - City of Riverside California Business Search, LLC Business Search - Business Entities - Business Programs Entity Name: JACINTO GOLF MANAGEMENT, LLC Entity Number: 200030810058 Date Filed: 10/30/2000 Status: CANCELED Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA Entity Address: 41-555 WOODHAVEN DR EAST Entity City, State, Zip: PALM DESERT CA 92211 Agent for Service of Process: STEVEN H ADAMS Agent Address: 41-555 WOODHAVEN DR EAST Agent City, State, Zip: PALM DESERT CA 92211
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Dear Hemet/SanJacinto Chamber of Commerce: The following web page on your website seems to be misrepresenting a local business as it is listed: Hemet/San Jacinto Chamber Of Commerce Golden Era Golf Course Community Centre 19871 Gilman Springs Road - Gilman Hot Springs, CA 92583 Phone: (951) 654-0130 Fax: (951) 654-3771 Email: murield@goldeneraproductions.org Contact: Muriel Dufresne Business Category: Golf If you click on the link, it clearly goes to Golden Era Productions, with riproaring pictures of L Ron Hubbard, Dianetics and Scientology sales promotions. The next entry after this, lists "Golden Era Productions." With no weblink. You might want to check the property records, as the Golden Era Golf Course/Community Center listing may list an entirely different property owner per the Riverside County Assessor/Recorder of Deeds. As the Chamber of Commerce in Hemet, California, you have a fiduciary responsibility to report accurate information to both taxpayers and tourists you wish to attract. Clearly, the Golden Era Golf Course is not a clearinghouse for scientology sales? Is it even open to golfers, or could anyone think of golfing when stumbling upon that website? In All Sincerity, Maureen Lerma A frequent visitor from Chicago, Illinois
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Lateness: Reply Jolene Shaw to me Feb 10 The golf course is operated by Golden Era and their chamber membership is also through Golden Era and so we put on our website the information we get from our paying member
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? De Lage Landen Financial Services 1111 Old Eagle School Road Wayne, Pennsylvania 19087 USA Tel +1 610 386 5000 Fax +1 610 386 5840 De Lage Landen
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? Also a few more domains.. De Lage Landen Email: webmaster@leasedirect.com Web Site: De Lage Landen - Welcome De Lage Landen is a global financial company specializing in third-party leasing. Names associated:[noparse] A TON OF SALES NAMES HERE: http://www.globalproductsltd.com/MH%20Sales%20Map%209-08.pdf Mathew Lucas --> Email: sgriffin@leasedirect.com Margaret Gernert In Europe Mr. Damian Broadbent +44 1923 810042 D.Broadbent@delagelanden.com In Canada Mr. Stewart Grant +1 905 465 4947 KLibonati@leasedirect.com In the United States Mr. Stu Fels Materials Handling +1 949 589 9931 Thorvath@leasedirect.com Mr. Thomas G. Casey Vice President, Construction Sales +1 203 234 2283 Tcasey@leasedirect.com Mr. Tibor Horvath General Manager +1 610 386 5028 Rversteegh@leasedirect.com Tel: 800-767-5004 Fax: 610-386-5576 Email: phiney@leasedirect.com VP, SALES Stu Fels 949.589.9931 949.632.6570 866.287.1176 sfels@leasedirect.com MANAGER, SALES COORDINATOR Anthony Pomponio 866.355.5438 ext. 3416 --- 866.287.1176 apomponio@leasedirect.com [/noparse]
Re: Strange Ownership at Gold Base? From the nature of leasedirect business.. I would say that there is some leased equipment on this parcel owned by De Lage Landen. It appears their business is leasing out all sorts of equipment or financing for all sorts of industry. I'm guessing it could be telecommunications, maybe it is that phone system, I think I read GTE somewhere, but maybe that is a code of some sorts. Maybe it was a leasing arrangement to buy some land. I would quit worrying about De Lage Landen other then they appear to be like a bank's name on a deed.
I stumbled upon your thread while doing some research on De Lage Landen, and found that: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q3/C00495820/A_EMPLOYER_C00495820.html They funded Ron Paul's campaign, along with the CoS. Funny, isn't it ?
I know 1111 Old Eagle School. It's a large office building in an industrial park. Probably 300,000 sq ft. and I'm sure dozens of tenants.
I love that avatard. IRL I often wish I could just prefix whatever my demand is with "sudo" and it would instantly happen. Fuck you, Munroe xkcd guy.
Those properties along Sublette Rd are now sitting at Mud-Zero. http://ktla.com/2014/12/04/14-rescu...pts-mudslide-in-riverside-county-no-injuries/
