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STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

Discussion in 'Fair Game Reports and Personal Experiences' started by David Miscarriage, Mar 2, 2008.

  1. TICTpx Member

    Re: MOAR Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    "Nobody ever died from reading the truth"?
  2. Lindi Member

    Re: MOAR Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I get where you're going with the idea but please let's not use "No one ever died from reading the truth" because it kinda suggests that we think that the stuff they read IS true.

    I umm.. personally don't
  3. TICTpx Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Yeah I see what you're saying. Improvements welcomed.
  4. Whitehat Member

  5. Anonomaton Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    This isn't directly related, but I just noticed that scientologymyths.com is "under construction" and that .net and .org are parked. Does anybody know who owns these? It would wicked rad if an anon bought up any of these and turned them into anti-scientology sites like the OSA did with lermanet.org.
  6. ahnonnymaus Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Might get madder if you accuse them of phallusies...
  7. Anonomaton Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Another funny thing about Lu's post. He mentions the bomb threat posted on youtube that we assumed was from OSA. After anon flagged it and comment spammed it, the video got taken down after a couple of hours at most. If the video was actually put up by somebody else that had nothing to do with the CoS, how would Lu know about it and the bomb threat if it had not been posted by OSA itself?
  8. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I posted this on the comments of Lu's post :D
  9. Dr. K Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    That site is sooooooo frustrating to read. They will not reply to you no matter what. They have a contact form, but it's only used for people that want to give blowjobs to David Miscavige.

    The most frustrating part of the site is they bring up questions and then don't answer them. They dodge them very stealth like too (Read the Xenu section). Then the questions that they do answer are not even questions that anyone ever asks. Example: "Are spaceships hidden in the Earth waiting to take us away to a far off planet?" ?? No one asks these questions ever. Where did that even come from? They are just making them up so that they can say no to them and call critics retards.

    They don't answer the real questions and they answer the phony questions. This way of life is the "Church" of Scientology in a nutshell for you.

    :tom: :xenu: :anon: :lrhcries: :lrhtalking:
  10. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    srysl doxument that shit and get copies to the law.
  11. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    what I find more amusing is sites like 'religiousfreedomwatch' where from an informed perspective, they make NO attempt to appear to be anything BUT a front organisation to keep their hypnotized flock of sheeple happy. as not ONE story or character assasination I have seen there is on anyone, or any organization that is not a direct scientology threat. They do not document anything about anyone or any group critical of other religions. (course this will likely change real fast now with OSA reading this)

    The other great one on that site of course, was it used to (hav't checked now, but I read about it) deny emphatically that Joel Phillips had anything to do with it, and also they deny it's scientology connections, watch the first 10 seconds of this as Mr.Lerma kindly pointed out, lol.
  12. DontMindMe Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    They have names, you know. You're allowed to call them Tom Cruise and John Travolta. They're not the anonymous ones here.
  13. Anonomaton Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I just posted a fairly thorough logicsmash under the name Anonosaurus. Anybody that's interested, read it and let me know what you think. Aside from deleting it, I'm actually very curious as to how Lu could respond without contradicting himself or just spouting a bunch of ad hominem.
  14. anon13 Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    You said everything I want to say. Copy it in case it gets deleted. I really want to see her respond. Edit: Just assumed it was a her. "Lu" sounds like a girls name, but who knows.
  15. Anonomaton Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I always assumed it was a shortened version of Lou or Louie, but who really knows?

    Also it's copied and saved for reposting in case of fact vaporization.
  16. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Updated:

    Lu replies to my post

    Wake up and smell the coffee. Or at least the criminals in your group, and throw them out. You seem to live in some kind of dream about big bad organizations and James Bond hopping around.

    I have no indication that OSA would do such things, not even on “anti-”sites. Those of their staff I have gotten to know in the past were pretty busy with human rights events, media clippings or at trials and so on. However I saw and still see a shitload of Anons posting clips about slaughtering Scientologists, laughing about real life misery and burning down churches. So which group, you think, is more realistic to be the source? Apart from that I am very curious who is going to be arrested next. I think that the FBI got to know about this particular clip in numerous way, incl. YouTube, and if I remember right they have no other choice then to go after it. Cross fingers they get the crim(s). "[/quote:1nu1x3tt]

    My reply:

    Code:
    @ LU:
    
    First of all, please prove that you saw and still see a shitload of Anons posting clips about slaughtering Scientologists, laughing about real life misery and burning down churches. The burden of proof is on your shoulders. You simply can not say something happened without proof to back yourself up. You may reply telling me to prove that anonymous didn't post that, but that is called "proving a negative", which is impossible. You claim that something exists. Well prove it with objectivity.
    
    Second of all, even if your claims are true (which they are not), this brings forth another fallacy within your argument: composition. Say if there were the one or two anon who posted those clips. How can that prove that all anons post these clips or that all anons boast these opinions?
    
    Third of all, even if someone has posted such material (which whenever someone did, we flagged it and got deleted thereafter), you can't pin the blame on the entire collective. It defies logic to do so.
    
    You then say "I am very curious who is going to be arrested next." **NEWSFLASH** No one has been arrested yet for anything! However, if you wish to talk about arrests, lets look at the latest exploits of your Church.  "Three French members of the Church of Scientology, suspected of holding a fourth person against their will, were arrested Monday in Nuoro, Sardinia, a local police spokesman told AFP." Proof: http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=116530
    
    Now you see, Lu? In this situation, I made the claim that Three French members of the Church of Scientology were arrested. Since I made the claim that such a situation exists, it was my duty to prove it. As you can see, accordingly, I provided a link to the news article. 
    
    This is the key difference between my post and yours. I have provided sources for my positive claims. All you have provided are statements without backup.
    
    Also, you have yet to answer my question about your entire post:
    
    "Ironically, Anonymous already guessed that the OSA would say this exact same thing in this blog: http://funky-bunch.blogspot.com/2008/02 … -cast.html
    
    “…Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist….” ~L. Ron Hubbard, “Critics of Scientology”, November 5, 1967
    
    In other words, this entire post consists of a major logical fallacy: ad hominem. However, David Miscavige, the asthmatic dwarf, was too stupid to get into college so its only fitting that he wouldn’t teach his OSAgoons what Logical Fallacies are. Also, all the Church of Scientology can do is make Ad Hominem attacks as proven by L Ron Hubbard when he explicitly told you to use ad hominem attacks to dismiss your opponent’s claims.
    
    Basically, ad hominem means “against the man” rather than “against the argument”.
    
    A typical Ad Hominem Argument has the following form:
    # Person A makes claim X.
    # Person B makes an attack on person A.
    # Therefore A’s claim is false.
    
    In this case:
    
    # Anonymous claims that the Church of Scientology is a dangerous institution
    # You attack Anonymous on the basis that we were internet troublemakers
    # Therefore, for some reason, Anonymous’ claims are false.
    
    This case doesn’t make sense to me. Does it make sense to you?"
    
    So yes. Answer my question: Does the case presented make sense to you? 
    
    If it does make sense to you, then you admit that you aren't using logic to think. gb2/school/
    Lu's having his ass handed to him OVAR AND OVAR AND OVAR
  17. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Bitch deleted my epic post so I reposted again.

    Also, Terryeo resurfaces as T:

    My reply:

  18. anonymal Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    The second group sounds like scientologists...
  19. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I had to REPOST AGAIN because they can't handle me pointing out their fallacies.
  20. waianon Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Poor misunderstood victims. :lrhcries:
  21. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    If you think of it as just brraking through to that one person they will have to read it, so hammering it home is good.

    That is unless they are a total braindead osa bot, then only some alone time with bubba at the nearest federal pen will make them see the light.
  22. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Well, the idea is to make Lu look bad. Not to prove anything to him. The more we repost the same post and the more Lu deletes those posts, then we can label him intellectually dishonest and be telling the truth. The folks who read the comments would read our allegations.

    The idea is to convince the third party that we're correct. Not Lu
  23. mortified Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I just reread that thread and have come to this conclusion: I love you guys.
  24. Top Grunge Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    What lies!!!!! Oh my gosh, to say we are all just the porn and the manga crowds! What rubbish.


    I am from the manga-porn crowd. We's dangerous. Japanese drawn sex rulz!!!
  25. psyborgue Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Notice how LU is throwing up links to YouTube videos. I told you they were making em for a reason: to show to their own members.
  26. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Code:
    >> T: “Why do you guys keep demanding evidence to support someone’s opinion when at the same time you show an astonishing lack of diligence in demanding proof or evidence concerning the serious accusations that your new friends lay on the Church?”???
    
    First of all, you claim that this is only your opinion. In other words, you only spew “normative statements”. Opinions can’t be objectively proven. I’m glad you’ve admit that.
    
    >> T: “You can beat the drum as you please but that won’t hide the fact that you and/or your friends made a complete fool of themselves in front of the whole world. I mean just think about it! You accepted blatant lies on face value, went out to the streets to cheer at cars passing by and honking to signal that they, too, “hate Scientology” and then you documented the whole circus for the world to see. Any possibility that you made a mistake? Boy, would that be a tough one.”
    
    This is an ad hominem here. I don’t see how this attack on Anonymous somehow disproves the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversy
    
    Its the same thing as someone making the argument that “She’s a hooker, therefore her claims that 2+2=4 are incorrect.”
    
    You say that anon are a bunch of fools, therefore our arguments are flawed. How does that work out? 
    
    Ad hominem is ad hominem. Its still a logical fallacy no matter how many times you use it.
    
    >> T: “Now it’s quite understandable that you are in desperate need of any plausible justification for that blunder. And you’re organizing another show? No wonder. I mean, if you go out and make a fool of yourselves again and again then you can avoid the shame of admitting that the first occurrence was a mistake, right?”
    
    You are making fun of anonymous. Boohoo. Stop with the AD HOMINEM attack against anonymous and maybe you should start countering their arguments. What are their arguments? The following sums it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversy
    
    Once again, I present a “positive statement” which can be proven with objective evidence. You have already claimed before in the quote: “Why do you guys keep demanding evidence to support someone’s opinion” that all you hold is an opinion.
    
    You can present your opinion on anonymous over and over and over again, however that still does not disprove anything listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversy
    
    
    New argument...
  27. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Seriously, I know my posts are no where near as eloquent as yours, but I really want to know what other religion practices regular invasive security checks on it's members, but they've started removing my posts too ;(

    someone else seems to want to know too now ;)
  28. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Anyone got a quick link to the enturb thread, or dox with the $cilon advert that said something like 'the Us government will now pay you nearly 50 cents on the dollar for your progress up the bridge'. I couldn't find it with the search.

    That would be highly relevant around now..
  29. Spot Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    status: hammered
  30. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Good Job. Tommorow morning we hammer the entire page before 2 PM with Anti-Miscavige and Anti-Hubbard comments to the MAX!
  31. Hostile Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    should we start now? (and wouldn't we seem a bit biggotty if we do it without any actual point?)

    so if we post hammers and trolling and stuff, should we do it in a logical way or should we just speak random :tom: tomstuffs
  32. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Both. The idea is to downstat them.

    The entire website is batshit insane anyway. No one in their right mind would fall for it.
  33. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    ...Mr. Miscarraige, this might be a bit off-topic, but can I bear your children? Your awesome rebuttals to Lu and co. get me all hot and bothered.
  34. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    And I liek ur pic of Shaivanon. It gets me all worshippy
  35. Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Fix'd
  36. ARC_Break Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    I'm constantly struck about how little Scientologists know about modern culture...

    Here's an exerpt from my post. I attempted to allude that if you grew up on a farm where a minister lied to you, how would you know the lie wasn't a lie. Would you be able to believe people who told you differently...

    I like to throw in a little humor from time to time. Helps to break up the tension.

    To my surprise, this was his reply...

    I hate to post my own stuff for prosperity, but I found this rather funny.
  37. mortified Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    Does anyone else someone else has taken over for Lu, now Lou? Might just be my imagination, but even the tone/style seems a bit off.
  38. AnonyFag Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    That wouldn't be unheard of... The site absolutely reeks of an OSA op, right and proper in all respects. All the signs are there; malign critics, try to make them look stupid, answer nothing but make it LOOK like you're answering, etc...

    So, for the sake of argument, let's say that yes, this is OSA at work; getting stats, page hits, trying to make us look like hateful bigots. In the past, there have been multiple agents posting or using the same nym to "keep up the fight" pretty much around the clock. This is seen over and over on ARS. The "original" Lu has probably been relieved of post so he (or she) can get his/her requisite "study time" in on LRH tech or fill in another position that OSA dictates. "Lu" will be back later though, and you'll detect a shift in tone and approach yet again.

    The other option is that "Lu" is having his/her goat gotten and cracks are starting to show in the facade...

    Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
  39. saerat Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    it would be EPIC if he left =F lol we can loose all the OSA through this site lol
  40. anonymal Member

    Re: STATURDAY: Fair Gaming over at ScientologyMyths.info!

    OMGME2!!1!

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