Discussion in 'Anon Sparrow' started by anonsparrow, May 4, 2011.

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  1. greebly Member

    This is why as stated before this case carries alot of weight for all kinds of longterm protesting.

    Make sure every mm of the records is circulated to all as public record, for use at a later stage.

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  2. tikk Member

    While I recognize that you're providing a valuable service in serving as a reality check on rampant glass-half-fullism that often strikes, well, all of criticdom, this was a positive development. Yes, the upshot of the criminal acquittal is that the status quo has merely returned to its original position, so nothing was gained in at least one sense. But these things don't occur in a vacuum, and Scientology definitely expected that Sparrow was going to be found guilty, which event they would then be able to parlay in a variety of ways. And that didn't happen. If I give you a dollar and then take it back, the sense of loss you feel is greater than if I told you that I was going to give you a dollar but decided against it. Scientology, because they reasonably expected to win, no doubt feels as if they lost today. Just like when Harvard "beat" Yale 29-29.

    And they had every right to think they would win--Sparrow's conduct is more relatively offensive than anything Keith Henson did in California which eventually resulted in Henson's conviction on a similarly thin legal pretext. The difference in results can be partly chalked up to Henson's disastrous decision to treat his defense as an opportunity to put Scientology on trial rather than simply defend himself. But even here, they had managed to get the DA on board with this ridiculous charge and apparently had some say in how to prosecute--getting the state on your side to prosecute your battles for you necessarily elevates your expectations; and DA offices usually, almost always in fact, win.

    Was this indicative of some sort of sea change as some seem to be contending? Probably not. But it's still a win inasmuch as Scientology managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, at least from where they sit.
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  3. Miranda Member

    Okay, I've removed most of the derail about Herro, leaving a few posts that made reasonable points. If the thread derails again, I'll remove those also. Those who would like to keep talking about Herro are welcome to do so in the drama thread--just trying to stay on topic here.
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  4. Smurf Member

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  5. OK, serious question.

    Criminal case done, Civil case next, no doubt with more BS to follow.

    How much more Legalfaggotry has to be perpetrated before SLAPP comes into play?
  6. Miranda Member

    Smurf, you wish I'd smack you with that! Only when you're good.
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  7. thesneakster Member

    That's a very good question, IMO.

    Any lawyer types know whether DC has anti-SLAPP statutes and what they might be ?

    Michael "TheSneakster" Hobson
    I am not anonymous. I do forgive.
    I am also not a lawyer.
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  8. Miranda Member

    That's a really good question. For those who don't know (as I didn't), here's WP on SLAPP:

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  10. Diablo Member

    I would think that after the civil BS is completed and found to be untrue that this will be enough groundwork in order to file a SLAPP charge against cult if they try this shit again. Two trials, coupled with the threats of death by a hate group member, show a willing and knowing pattern to "intimidate or silence their critics." As a matter of fact, there may be enough evidence already to file this...I am sure Sparrows attorney is on this.
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  11. Diablo Member

    Just the charge of SLAPP against the cult would be HUGE since it would put them on alert in other parts of the country where they do this AND more importantly, it would bring media attention to their antics and that would be devastating after this last year of defections and lengthy articles about cult and the slappy little fidget!
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  12. Anonymous Member

    "At least 26 other states and one territory have also enacted statutory protections against SLAPPs. These are Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, and Washington. In Colorado and West Virginia, the courts have adopted protections against SLAPPs. These laws vary dramatically in scope and level of protection, and the remaining states lack protections.
    There is no federal anti-SLAPP law. The extent to which state laws apply in federal courts is unclear, and the Circuit courts have reached different conclusions. "

    Not sure it's possible for DC, sadly. :(
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  14. tikk Member

    Here's the DC anti-slaap statute. It's drafted fairly broadly and I've no idea how it's been interpreted by the DC courts, if at all. I believe the time to file an anti-slaap suit passed (45 days after the original claim; i.e., Belotte's suit); however, the DC anti-slaap statute wasn't even enacted until December 2010 (and didn't effectively become law until sometime at least 30 days after, and possibly not even yet: see Section 8 of statute). Belotte's suit was filed before this law was even passed much less became law, and would therefore be unconstitutional to retroactively enforce.
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  15. BigBeard Member

    But if they lose the civil case, then try some other legal shenanigans...

    Just wondering.

  16. thesneakster Member

    OK, so the civil suit was also filed before these statute went into effect ?

    Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
    I am not anonymous. I do forgive.
    I am also not a lawyer.
  17. adhocrat Member

    That goes without saying. CoS will try something else slimy and deceitful. That's what they do. It's almost as if they have a pushed down 5 on their calculator and keep getting wrong answers.
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  18. tikk Member

    Both preceded the statute. But the criminal prosecution couldn't be addressed by an anti-slaap suit anyway; the statute, like I'm guessing all anti-slaap statutes, only pertains to civil claims, complaints, etc.
  19. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I just wanted to post this. It was on Marty's site and I thought it was of value for those that ask the question of if protesting works. This ex member recounts their experience with Anonymous and how it helped them leave. Again this reinforces the how crazy the cult will be when Brian goes back out there. He is a reasonable guy and makes scene when he talks to the members and it must get to them on some level.

    Sam | May 5, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Reply

    The way I see it whatever methods Brian uses, he is defending the rights of those who cannot defend themselves both inside and outside of the cult.
    I prefer the effects created by unconventional troublemakers, to the ineffect of any spectator who may be tempted to sit in judgement on Anonymous and yet do do nothing to handle the situation themselves.
    It’s actually thanks to Anonymous that I got my first clue about the ‘cult’. I was at the Basics Release OTC convention at Flag when Anonymous were picketing outside. I asked why we couldn’t just go out and get in comm with them (silly me!) and was given the usual party line that Anonymous were a bunch of students hired by Bob Minton and being paid in pizza and beer so we were NOT going to talk to them.
    We were swept off the streets and sequestered in the ballroom at flag. I was mad as a hatter that we had to stay inside and hide from Anonymous and thought to myself ‘This isn’t right. We need to go out and communicate with them. Communication is the universal solvent’ (yeah – I know it was naïve).
    It was that simple. The spark that ignited the seed of doubt and raged into a fire of renewed understanding and freedom.
    A belated thank you to Anonymous for all that you do – ‘good’ and ‘bad’ icon_wink.gif?m=1224652897g.gif
    I got to Marty a little faster because of that protest at Flag.
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  20. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I had to add just one more post that should tell everyone that your efforts to help Brian and get him back out there are worth it.

    Sam | May 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Reply

    “Just wanted Anons to know, they DID impinge”
    Very much so.
    I went to an event at the Ruth Eckhard Hall a few years back and there were 4 Anons protesting at the gate. Most everyone took the opportunity to make disparaging remarks about how few Anons there were and that they had gone home before the end of the event. Some even laughed as they passed in their sheltered cars because it was raining heavily that night and the Anons were dripping wet.
    I don’t recall the blurb from the event. I don’t recall who the speakers were or what the hell it was about. But I do recall that every single person I met inside the event had something to say about that little gathering outside the gates.
    Laugh it up bots. That’s ethics presence.
    Whether 1 or 50 Anons picket, they have truth on their side and they are a force to be reckoned with.
    Anonymous is a nightmare for corporate ‘Scientology’ that isn’t going to go away anytime soon.
    A personal message for DM – your definition of ‘power’ is that people listen to you. Out here in the real world more people are listening to Anonymous than to you. Which isn’t difficult because you are hiding like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs. Watch the videos of Chiquita. She could teach you a thing or two.
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  21. Had me until that sentence. This shows me that there's still a lot of work to do for this poor soul.
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  22. Optimisticate Member

    The first step is always the hardest which is why it is of utmost importance that Sparrow is allowed to do what the constitution gives him the right to do. But with scientology, once you get out, the step that is hardest is to get the scientology out of you. Marty is trying to stigmatize what he considers to be "radical" scientology and draw people into his version of scientology - he is keeping the brainwashed brainwashed. It's all radical to me, and probably to most others, but the connotation he is trying to make cannot be ignored and needs to be stamped out.
  23. Diablo Member

    Radio Paul summary of his testimony in the sparrow trial...good stuff and he reveals details about specific video by him and sparrow. Good stuff and can't wait for more....JONSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  24. I'm glad you got to Marty... Now can you apply the doubt formula to this fact:

    When using an E-meter, and the needle is centered while you hold the cams... If the Needle falls, to the left, that means you are having a withhold.... and if it falls to the right, you have strauma blocking you. Now answer this: Why are the only two readings on the emeter stating that you either are a liar by omission, or you have stress they can audit? Why doesn't the needle falling left indicate Euphoria, the opposite of stress?
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  25. Circular logic is circular.
  26. Anonymous Member

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  27. "Yes but supposed they are free of the CoS logic traps... They are freezoners now! They should be able to apply these formulas correctly!

    And while your at it... Apply this one:

    LRH said, "The value of something is determined by the ratio of creation and good it does versus the destruction they do"

    This being the case... Tell me REALLY what the value of psychiatry is.... Exactly how many people are able to leave psych wards better than they went in. What are the real numbers of people that die in there? Okay find that value. Now do the same thing and compare it to the Church of Scientology. How many people are successful, versus how many have left, are dead etc.

    Now that you have 2 values... tell me which is truly better for society?
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Fuck that... you think I was born yesterday?
    That could be a virus
    alturl.... yeah fuck that
  29. AnonLover Member

    bastard. emphasis on tard.
  30. Owie. My brain hurts now. Can't.......think.......synapses......not.......firing.........

    Now I know why it takes a lot of conditioning to be able to digest the Kool-Aid.
    This is fitting...I'll leave it here:

  31. over9000OT Member

    Ohhhh... you funny guy! There's either porn, gore or Rick Astley on the other end of that ling.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Worse. It's a rickroll
  33. Miranda Member

    I was born yesterday and I lived through the link. Click... if you dare.
  34. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I don't disagree with you at all but Marty has changed the game even if he does not know it. For one he is giving people a choice that they can stomach and anyone that leave the bigger cult the better. Also some people can't make a full jump and this has the potential of giving themselves an excuse to exit. It also empowers them to question and make dissensions again a hive mind set. I don't think Marty has some master plan to wash his hands of Scientology when the COS crashes but it would not surprise me if some people left him when it does. They have family and friends still in and Marty is an indirect connection to them in some cases.
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  35. Optimisticate Member

    So basically Marty is the sippy cup to scientology's bottle.

    I hope Sparrow can help with the weaning. He has my sword. I want to help. That's the only reason I'm here.
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  36. Miranda Member

    The discussion on Sparrow has moved over to the thread about the civil case. Please keep the discussion about Marty out of that. People are focusing on raising funds for Sparrow, and Sparrow just posted a wonderful wall of text. I'll be closing this thread shortly. (Feel free to make a new thread about Marty.)
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