SP Times Round Three

Grips it by the Husk · Nov 2, 2009

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Anonymous;1052326 said:

Part 3 of Round Three is out.

First article
Man overboard: To leave Scientology, Don Jason had to jump off a ship - St. Petersburg Times

Does pro-Scientology advertising really work on a site committed to expose Scientology Crimes? For those who didn't see it, the ad I was served, which is located just under the video was for freedom mag.

Anonymous · Nov 2, 2009

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Considering what The Tiny Fists of Fury probably has in store for Tommy now...

I now nominate Tommy Davis as the new Mr. Bill - with Dainty Dave as Mr. Hands.

Oooooh Noooooooo-vember!!!

TinyDancer · Nov 2, 2009

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Grips it by the Husk;1052332 said:

Does pro-Scientology advertising really work on a site committed to expose Scientology Crimes? For those who didn't see it, the ad I was served, which is located just under the video was for freedom mag.

In this particular case it does because:

a) every cent moving from the CoS to the SP Times is a good thing; and
b) every eyeball on the freedom mag is another person innoculated against the cult.

Win/win, IMO.

A.Non Hubbard · Nov 2, 2009

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Grips it by the Husk;1052332 said:

Does pro-Scientology advertising really work on a site committed to expose Scientology Crimes? For those who didn't see it, the ad I was served, which is located just under the video was for freedom mag.

Yes, because when a person reads a damning indictment of your cult as a deranged sociopathic entity it's always immediately negated by a flashy ad campaign.

Those ads are implants after all, and implants are the reason us wogs do those silly reactive things that we do. Such as joining cults on the basis of ad campaigns.

exOT8Michael · Nov 2, 2009

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Moar EPIC WIN from Saint Pete Times.
What a story!
From my own experience this rings very true, and I honestly don't think there is any exaggeration in the articles. Great stuff!!!

ChronicEnturbulator · Nov 2, 2009

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AnonLover;1052296 said:

next installment going online

Man overboard: To leave Scientology, Don Jason had to jump off a ship - St. Petersburg Times

ARC · Nov 2, 2009

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anonymous737 · Nov 2, 2009

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Too easy...

amaX · Nov 2, 2009

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ChronicEnturbulator;1052377 said:

YouTube - I'm On A Boat (ft. T-Pain) - Album Version

LOL

Anonymous · Nov 2, 2009

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Speaking of pooning, I refer to the comments in Who's who in this installment - St. Petersburg Times

I'm posting this excerpt it in case it gets flagged and disappears.

TL;DR - Alleged Scientologist JamesP has his world challenged by another alleged Scientologist who points out that JamesP is committing Scientology crimes in his misguided defense of Scientology and will probably end up a declared SP.

January wrote:
One cannot but revel in a "Scientologist" speaking of "official anonymous dogma" and accusing people of "robotically believing what you are told". Anonymous poster, JamesP, you pushed the irony meter just a little too far.
Nov 3rd, 2009 11:55 am
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JamesP wrote:
Wow January, owned! I was really wondering if any anon would be dumb enough to take the irony bait. Anyway, I'm happy I could help you revel.
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:03 pm
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January wrote:
"Owned", if you want to believe that, JamesP. I'm sure you make sense to all your anonymous friends.
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:11 pm
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JamesP wrote:
Okay January, as an exercise in human relations, let's say I meet you half way: Just out of curiosity, when you insult Scientologists by implying that we are unable to think for ourselves, what do you think would be an appropriate response? Think like you?
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:22 pm
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mousetti wrote:
JamesP. May I suggest you start a program which includes a safe envronment, proper nutrition, rest, long walks, locationals, perhaps a quiet court with a motionless object, and later, at the very most, some lock scanning, pleasure moments preferably.
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:35 pm
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JamesP wrote:
Hi Mousetti, Hopefully January will respond with her own reply to my question to her. But since you want to play human relations, let me give you your own question: All of the comments I have seen from you represent an attitude of hatred. Perhaps you just hate Scientology, or maybe you hate lots of things. Other than ridiculing and insulting others, is there anything that you yourself support positively?
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:48 pm
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January wrote:
Very well, JamesP, I will spell things out for you. I am not insulting Scientologists by implying they cannot think for themselves. I am replying to the suppressive conduct in your Anonymous comments. I know very well that Scientologists can think for themselves. The trouble is they get suppressed by people who invalidate their opinions and, like you, tell them what to think. In case you need reminding, JamesP, you are the one invalidating the views of others with "you are so fooled by your own stereotypes, you can't think for yourself" and "You are just a lost soul out on the lunatic fringe.Nothing personal." etc etc. What you are demonstrating is suppression, invalidation and covert hostility. It seems to unsettle you that people have their own opinions. When you make a broad generalization such as "Scientologists -- staff and public -- know . . ." you seem to want to imply that you speak for all Scientologists. Well, you don't. You claim to be a Scientologist. I
Nov 3rd, 2009 12:57 pm
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January wrote:
I don't know whether you are a Scientologist or not, JamesP. You present Scientology in a bad light. That is your choice. You ask me what would be an appropriate response. You won't get far looking to others to provide you direction. You will follow your own inclination and be judged by it.
Nov 3rd, 2009 1:00 pm
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JamesP wrote:
OK January. I actually quite like your response. Yes, I am a Scientologist. Perhaps you don't mean to be insulting, but your remarks are offensive. This began with you taking issue with my remark that "anonymous" people "robotically believe what they are told." You now say that Scientologists "get suppressed by people who invalidate their opinions." Well, I am a Scientologist. Who do you think is suppressing and invalidating my opinions?
Nov 3rd, 2009 1:22 pm
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January wrote:
So, you blame the invalidation and suppression in Scientology on Anonymous, JamesP, while you, as a self-proclaimed representative of Scientology, generalize, invalidate and suppress. You might as well wrong-target Anonymous for all these longstanding accounts of top-ranking OT Scientologists abusing each other and becoming psychotic. You demand the right to assert that people who disagree with your views "robotically believe what they are told"? You are welcome to it, but its bad PR and, more importantly, it's a trap only you can get yourself out of, JamesP.
Nov 3rd, 2009 1:43 pm
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JamesP wrote:
January, you got a bit overboiled there. The idea was that we would meet half-way. When you use terms like, "wrong-target," you are obviously not completely unfamiliar with Scientology. So why don't you give me a clue. I told you I'm a Scientologist. Are you? Were you?
Nov 3rd, 2009 1:58 pm
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XenuOT8 wrote:
I do not have to try street drugs, do crime or drown to have the opinion that street drugs, crime and drowning is bad for you. The same goes for investigating a destructive and lying cult. I am capable of reading and communicating, and probably most important of all, able to learn from the mistakes of others. The core of the criticism is based on personal experience reported by many former Scientologists and critics who have been harassed by the CoS.
Nov 3rd, 2009 2:16 pm
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January wrote:
You've got your own ideas, JameSP. Boil them to whatever degree you like. Keep at them as long as you like. Don't let anyone stop you. I don't mind who you are behind your anonymous nickname, your claimed expertise in Scientology, and claimed all-knowingness of Scientology opinion. Yet, you dodge responsibility for your own actions, blaming them on anonymous. I'm not going to be validating or meeting your suppression, generalization, wrong targeting, and invalidation half-way. I wish you well in your endeavors and hope you will one day gain something from Scientology.
Nov 3rd, 2009 2:19 pm
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JamesP wrote:
I detect just a slight bitterness. Where do you get the idea I dodge responsibility for my own actions?
Nov 3rd, 2009 2:41 pm
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January wrote:
To repeat myself, you blame the invalidation and suppression in Scientology on Anonymous, JamesP, while you, as a self-proclaimed representative of Scientology, generalize, invalidate and suppress. This fits with the wrong targeting, and attempting to get altitude by anonymously proclaiming that you speak for Scientologists and that you have expertise in Scientology. Meanwhile, you blame anonymous, investing anonymous with power over Scientology, making them at cause over you while Scientology is at effect. I don't expect you to recognize these characteristics in yourself. If you are a Scientologist, you may wish to consider if you are a Mark Rathbun, Ronnie Miscavige, Jenna Miscavige Hill, Mike Rinder, Jason Beghe, or Paul Haggis waiting to happen.
Nov 3rd, 2009 4:20 pm
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JamesP wrote:
Maybe we can continue tomorrow after you rest up a bit.
Nov 3rd, 2009 4:31 pm
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January wrote:
If you're getting worn out, that's fine with me, JameSP.

The Goddamn Pacman · Nov 3, 2009

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JamesP is hardly anyone worth quoting. He will never reach his goal of being the next Ollie Schaper, amirite?

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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Never enter into a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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The new Marty Rathbun videos are VERY interesting.

Sponge · Nov 3, 2009

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On the front page of the SP Times website they have quoted another critical reader's comment:

You say: "What church uses confidential confessionals as blackmail?"

Also, a PDF of today's front page is up....
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20091103.pdf
(btw, we have Sunday's but I don't seem to be able to find one for yesterday).

Here's a cropped jpg of the meaty bit....

Hi-res version of that jpg for posters etc....
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9531/sptimestruthrundownpart.jpg

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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mrfyde;1050427 said:

I am glad that the MR's are finally coming out and admitting the sleezy things they have done for the cult. 3 hip hip hooray's for the both of them. It isn't important to me that they tell it to the press or even to us, but keeping law enforcement informed and apologies to the victims regardless if they have lost their faith in LRH or come asking for an apology.

Marty, I am shocked that Mark Fisher had to jog your memory for what you claim was the most intense 2 months of your Scientology career setting up wild goose chase for Fisher that took him down to Mexico after setting him up with a job and full time handler in Phoenix. You may not have remembered the agents name but If you set up a job, vacation, full time handler, and got video tapes to make sure this guy was not coming to Clearwater, I have a hard time believing that you had to have your memory jogged about it, this doesn't say much for Scientology improving memory. - But at least you are coming clean about it now.

Video | tampabay.com - St. Petersburg Times and tbt*

As I understood him, he was saying that the intensity of those 2 months wasn't due to him having to set up the Fisher diversion, but it was because Miscavige was going to be named a personal defendant in the Lisa McPherson case and Miscavige was losing it.

He made it clear that he didn't know the name of the agent. Linda whoever said she had "a guy". Fisher approaches Rathbun after June 2009 and asks about a guy called Ferris Khan and does MR know him. It seemed rather reasonable to me that MR would initially say, no. He and Rinder looked over the photo and didn't recognise him. Only when Fisher gave more detail about the Mexico thing did MR connect that the guy Fisher is asking about who is currently his friend was the same guy they'd set up back in 1999/2000. It was a decade ago. Not surprising, IMHO.

YAHRLY · Nov 3, 2009

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let us not forget Marty and the new SP crew have enough evidence of the REAL crimes of scifaggotry ( IRS intimidation, frivolous lawsuits, etc to sink the entire organization
which begs the question why haven't the made this stuff public or gone to the feds?

AnonLover · Nov 3, 2009

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shoutout to Don "MacGyver" Jason... WTG dude, best escape EVAR!

of all the vids posted on Scientology: The truth rundown | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times, i find his complete interview the most compelling yet.

Scientology: Don Jason video | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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Man overboard: To leave Scientology, Don Jason had to jump off a ship - St. Petersburg Times : reddit.com

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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YAHRLY;1052606 said:

let us not forget Marty and the new SP crew have enough evidence of the REAL crimes of scifaggotry ( IRS intimidation, frivolous lawsuits, etc to sink the entire organization
which begs the question why haven't the made this stuff public or gone to the feds?

Haven't they?

conatus · Nov 3, 2009

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LOL at rolling pin tech. THE TECH WORKS!

humphrey · Nov 3, 2009

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Anonymous;1052624 said:

Man overboard: To leave Scientology, Don Jason had to jump off a ship - St. Petersburg Times : reddit.com

Good story

How many more of these is the St Petersburg Times going to make? Doesn't this make nine in two days

mrfyde · Nov 3, 2009

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Originally Posted by mrfyde View Post
I am glad that the MR's are finally coming out and admitting the sleezy things they have done for the cult. 3 hip hip hooray's for the both of them. It isn't important to me that they tell it to the press or even to us, but keeping law enforcement informed and apologies to the victims regardless if they have lost their faith in LRH or come asking for an apology.

Marty, I am shocked that Mark Fisher had to jog your memory for what you claim was the most intense 2 months of your Scientology career setting up wild goose chase for Fisher that took him down to Mexico after setting him up with a job and full time handler in Phoenix. You may not have remembered the agents name but If you set up a job, vacation, full time handler, and got video tapes to make sure this guy was not coming to Clearwater, I have a hard time believing that you had to have your memory jogged about it, this doesn't say much for Scientology improving memory. - But at least you are coming clean about it now.

Video | tampabay.com - St. Petersburg Times and tbt*

Anonymous;1052586 said:

As I understood him, he was saying that the intensity of those 2 months wasn't due to him having to set up the Fisher diversion, but it was because Miscavige was going to be named a personal defendant in the Lisa McPherson case and Miscavige was losing it.

He made it clear that he didn't know the name of the agent. Linda whoever said she had "a guy". Fisher approaches Rathbun after June 2009 and asks about a guy called Ferris Khan and does MR know him. It seemed rather reasonable to me that MR would initially say, no. He and Rinder looked over the photo and didn't recognise him. Only when Fisher gave more detail about the Mexico thing did MR connect that the guy Fisher is asking about who is currently his friend was the same guy they'd set up back in 1999/2000. It was a decade ago. Not surprising, IMHO.

I understand that he wouldn't recognize Ferris Khan, but during the conversation he would have known that he was speaking to Fisher. It was Fisher that would have been the name he should have recognized.

Fisher was the guy who he thought was going to put DM on the witness stand. So if he knew he was talking to Fisher, and Marty waited to talk about an extensive conspiracy he plotted against him until Fisher brought it up ? This is the guy that DM and Marty laughed at when watching videos of him in Mexico? at their expense.

I am not doubting that the events happened I just find it very strange that Marty would forget all about the most intense operation in his Scientology career, that included Mark Fisher, when talking to Mark Fisher the person he plotted against, until Fisher jogged his memory. Fisher is the guy Marty set up a new life, and vacation for to keep him from testifying against DM. It is perfectly understandable to not remember the name of the operative, because he may have never known "Khan".

Optimisticate · Nov 3, 2009

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Please tell me the SPT has newspaper racks all over downtown

anonymous612 · Nov 3, 2009

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Optimisticate;1053081 said:

Please tell me the SPT has newspaper racks all over downtown

The SPT has newspaper racks all over everywhere.

Cheappassion · Nov 3, 2009

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Ok, I'm a noob...fag..Whatever...Serious question though, does it help the St. Pete Times to click on the ajoining ads?
Thanks, y'all

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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Cheappassion;1053313 said:

Ok, I'm a noob...fag..Whatever...Serious question though, does it help the St. Pete Times to click on the ajoining ads?
Thanks, y'all

One click on one of the ads helps, but obsessively clicking every ad does not help.

AnonymousNow · Nov 3, 2009

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OSA, don't ya think that SAVANNAH LARSON is a little PTS at this point?

Think about it.

eleven · Nov 3, 2009

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JohnnyRUClear;1052282 said:

OK, this I can do:

CLAMuary
FebBLEWary
RAPEril
WOGust

The others are too short to offer much opportunity.

We're most of the way there.

The Goddamn Pacman · Nov 3, 2009

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JohnnyRUClear;1052282 said:

OK, this I can do:

CLAMuary
FebBLEWary
RAPEril
WOGust

The others are too short to offer much opportunity.

....JEWly?

Not exactly relevant, but still.

Belladonna · Nov 3, 2009

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*sob* I'm so lost...

I think this is new.

The Scientology Response (Don Jason)

http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/the-scientology-response/1048120

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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Clam-uary

Feds-sue-ary

Marks (from COB beatings)

Taperil (for leaked Hubbard tapes) or Ape-ril (something to do with the gorrilla goals, piltdown man, or some such crap)

Merry month of Maim ( from COB beatings)

D'you-lie (for tr-l) or Jury

Org-assed (Or Org-arsed, for our anglophiles)

Sect-ember

Socktober (for OSA)

NoMember

DeMember

Anonymous · Nov 3, 2009

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Belladonna;1053444 said:

*sob* I'm so lost...

I think this is new.

The Scientology Response (Don Jason)

The Scientology response - St. Petersburg Times

this

mrfyde · Nov 3, 2009

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Belladonna;1053444 said:

*sob* I'm so lost...

I think this is new.

The Scientology Response (Don Jason)

The Scientology response - St. Petersburg Times

I had not seen it. But the date was from Tuesday. I do have one question for the cult about their response:

SCIENTOLOGY'S RESPONSE:

The Times asked the church to respond to Don Jason's account that he was locked in his berth, watched 24/7 by cameras, blocked from leaving the gangway and felt his only way to escape was over the bow and down a mooring line. The church responded that Jason voluntarily went to the Freewinds to do the Rehabilitation Project Force program. "On 21 November 1996, Jason changed his mind and left, ending up in Milwaukee where he took a job as a truck driver.'

If the CoS doesn't have people investigated after they leave how do they know where these ex's end up and what types of jobs Don Jason took for a living? And how do you know what types of websites, other ex's put up on the internet ?

If people leave they just leave. Why have them investigated ?

exOT8Michael · Nov 3, 2009

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mrfyde;1053477 said:

I had not seen it. But the date was from Tuesday. I do have one question for the cult about their response:

If the CoS doesn't have people investigated after they leave how do they know where these ex's end up and what types of jobs Don Jason took for a living? And how do you know what types of websites, other ex's put up on the internet ?

If people leave they just leave. Why have them investigated ?

Because the cult is afraid of them speaking out, so if they get investigated and dirt found it can be used to blackmail/force them to remain silent.

failboat · Nov 4, 2009

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hay gaise, commenter Allan in the SPT pt III comment section is pretty lulzy.

he's like a broken record with the volume turned all the way up.

a rabid devil's advocate in desperate need of a tranquilizer. srsly.

i believe he's not a scilon, just a very angry troll.

Anonymous · Nov 4, 2009

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^^ Salute the Pooch --that's good..

David Jay Lubow 47y (alias David LeBeau, David Lee, Robert Clarke, Ron Christopher)
Scientology --- David Lee revelations
The real story about John Fashanu's so called private investigator, David "Lee"

While Vaughn Young was in Germany to testify again about Scientology, David Lee had the Youngs' dog (Maggie, old golden retriever) kidnapped, presumably with the intention of killing him. Fortunately, the dog was able to escape but was nearly dead when neighbours found him. All his teeth had been kicked out by what the vet thought must have been a big boot, and his back was severely hurt as if he had jumped out of a moving car or truck.

Sponge · Nov 6, 2009

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St. Petersburg Times, reader respsonses to the latest part 3 in the Truth rundown series.....
Letters to the Editor
In Print: Saturday, November 7, 2009
Stories reveal the inner workings of Scientology - St. Petersburg Times

mrfyde · Nov 6, 2009

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exOT8Michael;1053508 said:

Because the cult is afraid of them speaking out, so if they get investigated and dirt found it can be used to blackmail/force them to remain silent.

LOL, that I know, but it was aiming that toward cult logic, because they constantly try to give the impression they don't investigate people and they claim they are free to leave. We (you in particular) know different.

Belladonna · Nov 6, 2009

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St. Petersburg Times, reader respsonses to the latest part 3 in the Truth rundown series.....
Letters to the Editor

Scientology's response by Tommy Davis to your investigation was enlightening. Essentially, he says, "We didn't do it, it wasn't wrong, and we've stopped doing it."

Awesome.

randomanon · Nov 6, 2009

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Paper is out of synch

As a Scientologist, I'm sure your expected response to another tsunami of column inches attacking my religion would be one of defense of Scientology. Not the case. I know how valuable Scientology is for me, and the vast majority of its members.

Most Scientologists are regular folks, trying to survive in very trying times right now. Which brings me to my major point: With unemployment as it is, foreclosures, bank failures and unprecedented stress in our society, I feel the priorities of your paper are not in synch with the general population. Perhaps this is why your circulation is shrinking and your ad revenue is collapsing.

Is this attack on Scientology a cheap shot to increase your circulation for a little while? Beware though. To refresh your memory, there used to be another newspaper, the Clearwater Sun, that many years ago dedicated itself to attacking Scientology constantly for years. All that is left of that paper is an empty lot where the building used to be. I guess even non-Scientologists back then got a little tired of their endless hack job and obvious slanted reporting.

First I ever heard of this...anyone got the history of this...I wonder if they were fair gamed out of existence or taken over like CAN??????

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