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SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

Discussion in 'Media' started by Anonymous, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Scibots are already filling up the comment section...
  2. Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    and how many billion of us have come from this thread in the last 45 minutes?
  3. subgenius Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    words mean only what we say they mean......the word is NOT the thing
    but you raise a point
    the def of coercion and force is fluid

    btw its not "impossible"
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    and they're being their own worst enemy.

    If anybody read five words of the article or watched 2 seconds of the videos, they can see that comment for what it is.
  5. mongrel Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Can any of the clearwater/tampa anons enlighten us as to how the SP Times series is being received by the locals? It's been going strong for a year now and I could see how some of them might view it as a vendetta on the part of the paper. Or are they taking it as good investigative journalism? Just curious.
  6. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    For shits sake...comments are getting thru in under a couple of minutes right now ;)

    Do it, and give thanks your mom was not in the sea org at the same time.
  7. Triumph Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    "No Sea Org member has ever been subjected to 'intimidation.' "Tommy Davis" GTFO Tommy
  8. OTBT Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Bump relevant question.

    Everyone leaving the Sea Org, either voluntarily or involuntarily, will be handed a "freeloaders debt". The longer you are in the Sea Org, the bigger the bill in the "freeloaders debt".
  9. DeathHamster Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Only for the previous five years by policy. Any "free" courses and auditing are considered paid off after five years, pro-rated over the term.

    Still, I bet that they don't apply the discounts that everyone normally gets, and with the prices, that's going to be a pile of cash that a Sea Org member won't have.
  10. anonymous612 Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Everyone I've asked thought the articles were great. I haven't heard any non-scn critical comments.
  11. eddieVroom Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    'pooned.
  12. adhocrat Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    I've been getting the same FL bill for the past 20 years. No discounts, no pro rata.
    But maybe I misunderstood...
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Interestingly, the number of comments is decreasing, at least under the "No Kids Allowed" piece. It went from 238 comments to 185. What I've seen in past Times pieces are critical comments reported as "abuse".
    One of mine is now gone, although the other is still up. Neither were "abusive" in any way.
  14. tippytoe Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Video from the SPT article on coerced abortions is featured prominently on the front page of Breitbart.tv(http://www.breitbart.tv/):

    btvo.jpg
  15. OTBT Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Babbles weighs in. This is one of her more coherent posts, maybe she's been taking meds lately, or has a ghost writer.

    Abortion is completely contrary to Dianetics and Scientology

    Is it just me, or is Babbles railing a lot harder against DM these days?
  16. eddieVroom Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Didn't she just win a primary for Senate in Nevada or something?
  17. Kha Khan Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    I think when her post contains the graphic:

    coollogocom3713959.gif

    it is a pretty safe bet she is pissed at DM.

    /
  18. DeathHamster Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Aha! Checking back, when I asked about it a few years ago, some exs said that the policy of aging off stuff after five years is an old policy that doesn't apply any more, stopped in the 90s. (More Miscavigology for Marty to raise a fist to!) On the other hand, I got considerable variation in replies, and no less confusion.

    It looks like it's situational ethics dependent on a simple question: What's in your wallet?

    alt.religion.scientology | Google Groups | Freeloader debt discharged after five years of service?
  19. Sponge Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    [IMG]

    Excuse if it has alread been posted. The PDF of the Sunday print edition front page is up:
    http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20100613.pdf

    Some Bitmap versions for you, cropped and some with whitespace at the bottom to add your weblinks etc:
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    EDIT: Update: Frontpage PDF for Monday's edition is now up:
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    PDF: http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20100614.pdf

    Bitmap versions:
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  20. Kha Khan Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    /

    Cross-posted to ESMB with thanks.

    /
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    This is a thing of beauty.
  22. Sponge Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    ^You're welcome.
    It will make a nice poster for protests as well as a frontpage for leaflets. Pity anonsparrow didn't have one for his sunday protest. Not that anything ever elicits much reaction from the ronbots going in and out of the org, but the other passers-by seem to take an interest at whats on Sparrow's signs.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    You say that like its a bad thing.
    SP Times delivers:

    114009521_cc04a602d6.jpg
  24. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Finally waded thru both days' coverage plus this thread.

    Wow.

    These interviews were recorded 3 months ago, yeah? At least Sunny's; she was 6 months preggers at recording time, but baby was just born. So... the SPT sat on these for 3 months? Or does it really take that long to put something like this together?
  25. AquaMan Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Running things by their legal staff to make sure all their "i"s are dotted and their "t"s crossed probably would add to the production time, at least a little bit.

    Even allowing for that, though, I think it's more a case of time to put things together, remembering that their staffers do have other stories to cover (especially in the last month or so thanks to the whole Deepwater Horizon mess, considering how the slick can directly affect them if the current goes wrong) as well.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Someone asked about YouTubage. Youtubage is in the works. Be patient.
  27. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Forced abortions in scientology had been going on longer than 1996.

    In Tera Hattaway declaration, http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/docs/declaration-tera-hattaway.txt
    YouTube - Scientology Leaked Hubbard Lecture - Views on Abortion
  28. Anonwithhold Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    I knew staff members, who got pregnant and were forced to have an abortion.
    Tommy Davis is a pathological liar. He is covering David Miscarriage, because the order came from DM.
    Do not be fooled by the lies that Tommy/DM say.
  29. RightOn Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    prolly cause DM is railing against Marty more with the PI's and all.
    she prolly doens't care for that
  30. Milo T Wyke Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

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  31. webkilla Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    i came. twice.
  32. anonymous612 Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    If you haven't noticed, the front page of most Floridian newspapers has been rather full lately. Would you have preferred they stick it on page ten of the Local Events section?
  33. Anonymous Member

  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Digg link to the gawker story is on Digg's front page right NOW.

    Digg it faggots!
  35. xenubarb Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Oh lol..."Doctor" Harry Wong weighs in in the comments section. Harry Wong is a chiropractor in the Bay area who has been working for years to infest the motorcycling community there. He hosts seminars and rides. He is an OT who is not Cause over asphalt. He's laid his Ducati down more than once. For someone with power over MEST, he's about as effective as John Travolta or Kirstie Alley.

    Gotta love the Scilons...when they can't produce a coherent argument, they revert to nitpicking details. Enjoy Doc Wong's English lesson!

  36. anonsoulless Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    It was quite possibly held up in the legal department for that long. They know they'll be sued at the slightest inconsequential mistake.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Considering how long the AC360 series was held up, 3 months isn't that long. It does take time to put together a story like this. I'm sure the cult was given time to respond also, which added in time.

    I'm just glad it is out and the truth about coerced abortions in the Cult of Scientology is being exposed!!!!!!!! Those videos are powerful.
  38. xenubarb Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Post-poonage response:

    Yeah, I can talk to Christians without insulting them.
  39. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    Thanks for the suggested justifications of the delay, all. I hadn't thought about those factors. 3 months still seems like a long time to me, but maybe not so long after all.
  40. Triumph Member

    Re: SP Times June 13th and 14th - Forced Abortions in the Sea Org and More

    the story is being picked up and shared on their blogs by both sides of the abortion issue..

    both right to life + pro life find the SP Times incredibly disturbing.



    by Jill Stanek with her typing finger on the pro-life pulse
    Woman sues Church of Scientology for forced abortions, human trafficking
    Woman sues Church of Scientology for forced abortions, human trafficking by Jill Stanek

    Feministing.com
    Coerced abortion inside the Church of Scientology
    Coerced abortion inside the Church of Scientology - Feministing

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