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Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

Discussion in 'Scientology Property Tax' started by RightOn, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    THANKS you amazing sleuth!
  2. Anonymous Member

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    ^ ur doing it right. Great idea, great thread.
  3. mirele Member

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    Some counties will list how much tax was not collected as a result of an exemption on the assessment for the property.
  4. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    so that would mean they are not tax exempt? or patially, have no idea
    can you please use the format I am using and list the Seattle Org in the next post?
    thanks! :)
    off to rest
  5. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Thanks for the kind words.

    But people please if you are going to quote a post that has addresses and info in it, pleeeeeease leave out the info, so it does not get confusing
    thanks! over and out
  6. the_cloak Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    This is an excellent idea. I would suggest starting with just a list of properties in each state. The states/counties/cities involved may even see this and look it up themselves and perhaps look to start taxing them. Once we have a full or mostly full list, then we can research them and look up the taxes and start adding numbers.

    Another interesting thought... I wonder if states or counties or even cities/townships can levy a special cult tax or a tax on any religion that forces a tithe or charges for services or requires donations. I'm sure the cult would sue, but if enough places did this at once, it would bog them down big time legally.
  7. mirele Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    This is the tax information for the L. Ron Hubbard house in Phoenix. It doesn't appear to be owned directly by the cult. And the owners do pay property tax on it.

    You'll also note that like every other property in the Phoenix area, the assessed value of the house has dropped by 25 percent. The lot is also huge (47,000 square feet) compared to modern-day teeny tiny lots.

    Property Information
    Parcel #: 171-50-024 <<< Most important piece of information--key to the rest.
    MCR #: 2746
    Property Address: 5501 N 44TH ST / PHOENIX 85018
    Property Description: VALHALLA AMD MCR 27-46 LOT 1 EX W 7F TH/OF
    Section Township Range: 18 2N 4E
    Subdivision Name: VALHALLA AMDENDED TR C LOT 1-4, 6, 7, 15-18
    Lot #: 1
    School Dist: SCOTTSDALE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
    Local Jurisdiction: PHOENIX


    Owner Information
    Owner: MILE HIGH INC
    Mailing Address: 6400 CANOGA AVE STE 315 / WOODLAND HILLS, CA 91367 USA
    Deed #: 010832644
    Deed Date: 9/10/2001
    Sales Price: $400,362
    Sales Month/Year: 12/2000

    Valuation Information
    Tax Year: 2011 2010 2009
    Full Cash Value (FCV): $447,700 $604,000 $677,600
    Limited Property Value (LPV): $447,700 $604,000 $553,988
    Notice: The values displayed on this page may not reflect constitutional or statutory adjustments.
    Legal Class: M M M
    Assessment Ratio: 10.0% 10.0% 10.0%
    Assessed FCV: $44,770 $60,400 $67,760
    Assessed LPV: $44,770 $60,400 $55,399
    Property Use Code: 0181 0181 0181
    Tax Area Code: 481300 481300 481300

    Characteristics
    Square Feet of Living Space: 1,819
    Improvement Quality Grade: R-3
    Lot Square Footage: 47,045
    Market Area/Neighborhood: 05/005
    Covered Parking: 0 None
    Unique Location Characteristics: Corner
    Construction Year: 1945
    Pool Square Footage: 500
    Number of Patios: 1
    Bath Fixtures: 10
    Patio Type: Covered
    Cooling: Refrigeration
    Exterior Walls: 8" Painted Block
    Heating: Yes
    Roof Type: Asphalt Shingle
    Physical Condition: Average

    Maricopa County Arizona
  8. Anonymous Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Hubbard-Telescope already did a lot of the legwork listing scientology orgs and missions and their addresses. Here is the US part, see thread for rest of the world as well.

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/8-ed...fficial-orgs-missions-world-43231/#post823820

    The list is 1 year old, shouldn't be too many major changes.
  9. Jeff Jacobsen Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Newspaper articles could help you find purchase prices and such.

    Don't forget the secret vault facilities near Petrolia and Twin Peaks California (and Hubbard's final home near San Juan Capistrano), and the one near Las Vegas New Mexico. The county clerk of courts is the main place to go. You need to look up not only Church of Scientology, but also Narconon, Building Management Services, church of Spiritual Technology, and other names they go by as owners of any property.
  10. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Guys, one more thing before I sign off.
    Can you please use the format I was using?
    So we don't have walls of text in the posts, we just need the the "meat" of the listing.
    We don't need to know structual details and all that.
    That way it makes it easier to pick up the exact info and transfer it.
    thanks!
    Mirele can you pull the just the facts if posibble ( I didn't read it) out of that post and edit it perhaps?
    Like this format below?

    STATE
    Name of Organization
    Status, XXX amount they would be paying.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Anyone in Florida willing to compile the Pinellas County properties? I don't have the time to do it.
    Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - CofS owns 200 million dollars worth of property in Pinellas

    Currently 81 properties for &quot;Church of Scientology&quot; in Pinellas County, and they should still be worth around $200 million.

    40447066.jpg

    Because of tax exemptions, their property taxes should still chopped in half from $4 million to $2 million.

    Also, does Scientology still owe the city of Clearwater $5.4 million in outstanding fees? Sea Horse on OCMB just dug this up, but doesn't indicate if it is still current.

    Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - CofS owns 200 million dollars worth of property in Pinellas

    47285426.jpg
  12. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    MASS.

    Church of Scientology Boston
    448 Beacon Street
    Boston Mass. 02115
    Status- tax exempt, Can be paying $104,539.00 a year in taxes
    Parcel number 0503671000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    District of Columbia

    Founding Church of Scientology (Frazer Mansion)- VACANT
    1701 20th Street
    Washington, DC
    Status- tax Exempt- Can be paying $119,500.00 yearly
    Parcel 01100060

    Church of Scientology
    1424 16th Street
    Washington DC,
    Status- Tax Exempt, Can be paying $262,749.00 yearly
    Parcel Number 01810821


    PENN
    Church OF Scientology Pennsylvania
    1315 Race Street
    Philidelphia, Pa
    Status- Tax exempt, Can be paying $1,184.00
    BRT Account Number: 771079600
    http://brtweb.phila.gov/brt.apps/Search/SearchResults.aspx?id=2282001312


    OHIO
    Church of Scientology
    1266 Dublin Road
    Columbus, OH
    Status- not exempt,
    Parcel number 010-129556-00
    http://franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/searchByParcelId?taxDistrict=010&parcelNbr=129556
  13. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Washington

    Parcel # 224900-0150
    Church of Scientology of Washington State
    601 Aurora Avenue N.
    Seattle, WA 98109
    Status: Tax Exempt as of 2010 - Not paying in taxes $2,981,800


    Church bought NEW ORG 2005: $3,700,000
    Parcel #1989200520
    Church of Scientology - Mission of Seattle
    300 W. Harrison
    Seattle, WA 98119
    Status: Tax Exempt as of 2010 - Not paying in taxes $3,315,000
    Actual TAXES $29,973.57 were it not exempt.

    Parcel # 720220-0010 EXECU-U-RENT LLC (owner?) Must rent office suite
    Church of Scientology of the Eastside
    7901 168th Avenue Northeast #200
    Redmond, WA 98052
    Status: Tax Exempt


    Church of Scientology Mission
    Kirkland, WA 98033
    Google it you will find a residential house.

    ____________________________
    Weird, I finally figured out how to locate by IMAP but when I search this address it keeps bringing up info of on a wooden structure - dental office instead! NOTE: Building has been renovated & worth a lot more.
    I am trying to use Google Earth to check address but having a hard time opening it (haven't used it in long time.)
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    I think we'll need columns for what they payed and current value (where known), and one for approximated current value where not known.
  15. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Google Maps

    Why would Google Earth Street View - show Seattle new Org location as a small wooden building?

    When I used King County's IMAP:

    King County iMAP: Interactive Mapping Tool

    I also get a small wooden structure instead of new Seattle's Sea Org:

    1280095630-churchofnutjobs.jpg

    What am I doing wrong? I am typing in correct address.
    Can someone else try this?

    GOT IT! WRONG F-N Address: They must use this address for mail, whatever!
    Address is 300 W. Harrison St


    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012502517_scientology01m.html

    NO MATCHING King County records on the REAL Sea Org address: 300 W. Harrison!
  16. RightOn Member

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    IDK, when I put in their address on the WA accessor's site, it pullls up a different address which is a residence
    I would say some of these look ups are not very accurate.

    EDITED crap~
  17. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    MICHIGAN

    Church Of Scientology BC
    43 POPLAR ST
    BATTLE CREEK, MI 49017-4809
    PAID $2,176.25 - 07/27/2010
    Parcel : 1650-00-017-0



    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY ANN ARBOR
    31 N WASHINGTON AVE
    BATTLE CREEK, MI 49017-3025
    PAID $408.28 - 07/07/2010
    and $27.18 in PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX
    Parcel: 0255-00-011-0

    https://is.bsasoftware.com/bsa.is/T...gy&appid=1&actSn=43&actSna=POPLAR ST&unit=337

    I would imagine that Ann Arbor is tax exempt if they paid that little?
  18. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Can only find this so far:

    WASHINGTON

    Church of Scientoloigy Seattle 552665
    300 W HARRISON ST
    Seattle Wa 98119
    Status- tax Exempt

    Mailing address:
    601 AURORA AVE N
    SEATTLE WA 98121

    Total amount due for 2010: $353.51
    second half due Nov 1st 2010
    Parcel No. 198920-0520

    https://payments.kingcounty.gov/met...Property.aspx?Parcel=YSon66vaJLR5MjZj+RthOA==

    Interesting that they were billed $707.02 for "Surface water and Noxious Weed"? and only paid half of it! LOL!
  19. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Too funny, they can't afford to pay their utilities! VERY GOOD SIGN!
    What do you think about me checking out buildings close to the same size of Harrison Org. in Queen Area (again very elite area) what they are required to pay in property taxes?

    Hmmm wonder why Aurora building has 2 different Parcelhttp://info.kingcounty.gov/Assessor/eRealProperty/Dashboard.aspx?ParcelNbr=1989200520 Numbers?
    Parcel # 224900-0150
    Parcel #1989200520

    I FOUND IT!!!

    2010 Appraised @ $3,315,000!
    Taxable total would be the same if they weren't exempt!


    In 2002 it was appraised @ $4,248,900!

    Hmmm but still doesn't explain the rate yes property taxes seem to based on the appraised value, but they would NOT be charged that amount each year if they were paying their taxes.
    Now we need a tax person to calculate this?
    The link provides tax levy shit but all that's above my pay scale.

    https://payments.kingcounty.gov/metrokc.ecommerce.propertytaxweb/RealProperty.aspx?Parcel=YSon66vaJLR5MjZj%2bRthOA%3d%3d
  20. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties



    yeah... appraisal value is not what they pay. There is also market value like I said before.
    I am not bothering with that now. I am just trying to find the ones that show their exemption total right off the bat to get those out of the way and hope that a real estate fag or whatever comes by this thread and helps.
  21. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Calling out all name fagged anons!
    If you can go down to the tax office and look up stuff in your area and report back that would be nifty.
    We need posts in this format:

    STATE
    Name of building (Church of Scientology Seattle)
    address
    status- tax exempt or not?- what they would be paying $ in taxes
    parcel number

    Also calling out all Euro fags to please start a thread for COS tax exemption properties!!!
  22. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    NEW YORK

    Church of Scientology New York
    28 WEST 74 STREET
    New York City, NY
    (Borough, MANHATTAN Block- 01126, Lot-0048)
    Status- not exempt, Annual Property Tax $153,142
    Parcel:1-126-48
    Billing Name and address:
    Owner name not on file!

    Mailing Address:
    MIDBORO MANAGEMENT
    148 W. 37TH ST. FL. 8
    NEW YORK, NY 10018-6978

    http://nycprop.nyc.gov/nycproperty/StatementSearch?bbl=1011260048&stmtDate=20100827&stmtType=SOA

    http://webapps.nyc.gov:8084/cics/f704/f403001i?DET=1-01126-0048-

    IDK, this one just doesn't seem right to me? Can anyone confirm?
  23. subgenius Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF MICHIGAN
    28000 MIDDLEBELT,STE 100
    FARMINGTON HILLS, MI 48334-4180

    Year / Season Total Amt Total Paid
    2009, Winter $2,141.98 $0.00
    2009, Summer $6,833.00 $6,833.00

    2008, Winter $2,158.69 $0.00
    2008, Summer $6,725.35 $6,725.35

    Not sure what it means, other than payment of some taxes in the summer, and not winter.....
    First number is the tax the second is what was paid
    Could be partial tax break? Looks like paying $6K + per year
  24. RightOn Member

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  25. adhocrat Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Yeah. A standard way to present the data would be a help.

    Anyway. I have a spreadsheet started. It's got the info in this thread so far.
  26. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    thanks!
    yeah in the OP and other posts I suggested this format.
    Is this format working good for you?

    STATE
    Name of building (Church of Scientology Seattle)
    address
    status- tax exempt or not?- what they would be paying $ in taxes
    parcel number
  27. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    To me it looks like total amount and than total amount paid is ZERO?
    I have no idea, this stuff makes my head spin
  28. BigBeard Member

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  29. ethercat Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Georgia
    Church of Scientology of Georgia (Ideal Org)
    5395 Roswell Rd. Sandy Springs, Ga. 30342
    Status: Tax-exempt *Estimated 81,623
    Parcel ID: 17 -0069-0001-051-4

    -----------------------------------------------
    *Calculations for estimate
    Building next door value: 2,123,200
    CoS building value: 6,043,700

    Building next door taxes: 28,675.09
    CoS estimated taxes: x

    Ratios:
    2,123,200 : 6,043,700
    28,675.09 : x
    x=81623.54

    I believe that is the only property in Ga. they own; the rest they rent or lease.
  30. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    ^^^ now that is a beautiful post!

    thanks!!
  31. adhocrat Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    The columns on the spread sheet are as follows:
    City; address; name of org; tax status; Parcel Number; Source of Data-URL; comments

    This will change over time as we learn. It will do for a start. For instance, we'll want to be able to pull up all the dollar numbers for any given state or ZIP or whatever.

    i tried to put it on googles docs and got rejected. I'll try again later.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    The tax rate is $9.0418 per $1000 of appraised value. The parcel with appraised value of $3,315,000 would therefore be taxed $29,973.57 were it not exempt.

    They bought it for $3,700,000.00. Therefore they have unrealized capital loss of the difference between the current appraised value (assuming it is accurate) and the purchase price or $385,000.00. I mention this because another aspect of holding exempt real estate is exemption from capital gains taxes should the property increase in value and be sold. This however is a different issue from property taxes, although as long as we are gathering this info, it might be beneficial to record sales info.

    I think a good format would be to have columns for

    Land - appraised value
    Improvements - appraised value
    Amount of Land Exempt from Tax
    Amount of Improvements Exempt from Tax
    Tax rate
    Actual Tax Levied
    Tax that would have been levied if not exempt
    Date of Purchase by Co$
    Amount Paid by Co$

    DON'T forget to record DATES!

    It might also be helpful how much of their purchase price was for land and how much for improvements. It probably wont be split out in county records but could be estimated from appraisal near date of purchase. The purpose of this would be to estimate how much of a deduction for depreciation would the building be entitled to if it were not exempt. This is related to federal income tax, not property tax, but could be useful some day.

    BTW I don't think their bill is overdue yet. They paid 1/2 the annual bill with the other half not due til November. (if you are talking about that $353)
  33. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Wow you one smart dude!
  34. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    hey as far as the format suggested above in post# 72, sorry, but I am not going to do all that work, that is just too tedious, and I have a life. If someone wants to do all that work than great.
    It's hard enough to get people to work on any project as it is. I was just trying to keep it really simple.

    We or I should say I am basically trying to get a dollar amount per US state for all COS owned buildings in the US that they are not paying taxes on.
    And then eventually get a total for all of US states combined.
    This is just to show the burden on other tax payers and for other people to access it easily.
    If we make it look too complicated it will be tl/dr IMO.
    It needs to be short and sweet

    Adhocrat has strated a spread sheet and had been pulling the info from this thread with the simple format we are using.

    What I am interested in is getting simple STATS right now.
    How much per state for all exempt COS buildings...
    Then a combined total for all states = total number of $$ = mad tax payers and hopefully some mad politicans = win
    To see the total will really piss people off.

    End prooduct is maybe a nice shiny flyer showing the total tax exemption for the US.
    And numbers that everyone can understand.

    A flyer for protests with something maybe like:
    "Do you know the burden that the Church of Scientology puts on US tax payers?
    The Church of Scientology's total tax exemption for the US is $XXXX!!!"


    If someone wants to do it the other way with all that other work (which of course would be nice to have) they are welcome to do so, but not me.
    I also think people would have to constantly update it with a fluctuating market, and I don't know who would want to keep up with all that?
    Maybe I am wrong.
  35. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Also waiting for the UK, AU and others to start their tax exempt threads for their area, have not seen anything yet. :(

    Again other areas would really benefit by having a flyer with simple stats to hand out to the general public.
  36. Rockyj Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    I'll do Portland, Oregon (my homey state) but I am confused where the new Portland Sea Org is located. There are quite a few Co$ addresses in Portland & I believed they recently moved.
    Any Portland Anon's here?
  37. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    FLORIDA
    CLEARWATER

    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC
    ORG INC
    503 CLEVELAND ST
    CLEARWATER, FL 33755-4007

    Site Address:
    109 N FT HARRISON AVE
    CLEARWATER, FL
    Status- tax exempt, 2009 exemption- $461,177
    Parcel: 16/29/15/32274/001/0050

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY RELIGIOUS
    TRUST
    319 S GARDEN AVE
    CLEARWATER, FL 33756-5423

    site address:
    645 FRANKLIN ST
    CLEARWATER, FL
    Status Tax Exempt. 2009 exemption- $6,362,281
    Parcel - 15/29/15/54450/012/0030

    https://www.pinellas.county-taxes.com/tcb/app/re/accounts?alternate_key=15/29/15/54450/012/0030
    -------------------------------------------

    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY RELIGIOUS
    TRUST
    C/O HUBER, MARY SALINAS TRE
    319 S GARDEN AVE
    CLEARWATER, FL 33756-5423

    Site address:
    41 N FT HARRISON AVE
    CLEARWATER, FL
    Status-tax exempt, 2009 exemption-$205,000
    Parcel: 16/29/15/18648/000/0010


    for all of the aboce
    http://www.pcpao.org/
  38. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    does this help?

    In 2005, the Celeberity center merged with the Church of COS
    they sold the Stevens buliding at a loss of 43,000.00 -poor members!

    And bought:
    Sherlock Building at 320 S.W. Oak Street for $6.4 million

    looks like they protest now on Southwest Salmon Street?
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    Something's not right about this. $6 mil for prop tax in this location?
  40. RightOn Member

    Re: Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

    I will go check it again, please do not quote the entire quote so it does not get confusing

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