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Scientology spending millions on Birmingham headquarters

Discussion in 'Media' started by The Wrong Guy, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. moarxenu Member

    An explanation I have seen recently for the method in Miscavige's Idle mOrg madness that is influencing my thinking is that they are intended to fast track upper middle class professionals into shoveling dollars at Flag and the IAS.

    My major concern about Birmingham is that the spiffed up Birmingham org is going to be a beefed up launching pad for a renewed assault on children in the Birmingham schools through drug and human rights education carried out by Narconon, CCHR, and Youth For Human Rights International and to a lesser extent by The Way To Happiness International.

    We need to make school and government officials as well as journalists aware of this.
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  2. "The church, which has previously denied accusations of being a cult, said its following in the West Midlands had increased by 25% in the past 10 years.
    It said about 27,000 people had taken part in religious services in the region in that time"
    more here:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22541974

    BIG NEWS The number of scientologist in the west midlands has gone up from 60 to 80 in the last 10 years?
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  3. DeathHamster Member

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  4. I see a Goatse !!!!
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  5. I love the fact that they delivered a seminar on Marketing of Madness to "about" 15 youths, this shows that scientologists cannot count if it involves more than the number of fingers they own
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    Code:
    http://otcbrum.co.uk/
    And a box for entering a throw-away email address to get added to their mailing list.
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  7. Nancy Beazley Member


    Yes, we do. ;-) Idle orgs drive cultists out of the cult.
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  8. TorontosRoot Member

    It is gonna crash again. XD
    Morgues, they keep getting emptier.
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  9. jensting Member

    OK, the part about ADHD
    EDIT : I sent an email - that should fix it! ;)
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  10. DeathHamster Member

    Sorry if it's been covered, but did they ever apply for and get their zoning change?
  11. kthnxbai Member

    That's no doubt why they have invented the Hubbard Guidance Centre.

    Quoting (more or less) from an earlier post, "Originally one wing of the building was to be set aside for 'auditing' purposes and named the Hubbard Guidance Centre after the fat fuck and science fiction author, L Ron Hubbard, who founded his evil brainwashing and Ponzi scheme in 1952".

    Now I think the entire building is to go under this name. The more it changes the more it is the same old con.

    It suddenly struck me that I know why they leave nice buildings to rot. It is so that when they do finally promise to renovate them local planners are SO happy and relieved they will give them whatever they want, even advising them what to do. So no change of use will be needed; how convenient for everyone. The planners don't see it but they are turkeys.
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  12. RolandRB Member

    They didn't just invent the Hubbard Guidance Centre. This is the HGC, the "processing" wing where they fleece the chumps and screw up their heads with their "professional" "auditing".
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  13. DeathHamster Member

    Don't they need to go all religious "place of worship" to take tax advantage of their new religious (but not charity) status?
  14. kthnxbai Member

    The planning questions probably arose before the judges decided they were a religion. I don't know where judges live, somewhere up in the belfry with the bats. But at first I don't think the whole thing was to be the Hubbard Guidance Centre, or at any rate only part of the building, which has wings that go back a ways.

    Is there a difference between being a religion and being a charity? I seem to remember there are four charitable purposes: religious, educational, relief of poverty and social benefit.

    Well, more popcorn.
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  15. Horseradish Member

    There used to be four. There are now twelve or thirteen. Religious is still one of them.

    For a religious organisation to be eligible to register as a charity, it needs to demonstrate 'public benefit'.
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  16. The helicopter ?

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  17. Where are all the Volunteer Ministers? There are floods in the Thames Valley and Somerset, I thought they would be handing out WTH leaflets by now?
  18. Anonylemmi Member

    I am pretty sure they are not helping with the sandbags.
  19. RolandRB Member

    What is meant by "public benefit" is not well defined. "Saving souls" is still regarded as a public benefit.
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  20. RolandRB Member

    They can now self-certificate. All it takes is somebody who calls themselves a priest, pastor or suchlike to say that whatever amount of premises they can think of is a place of religious worship (now in any sense) and they have complete tax exemption.
  21. RolandRB Member

    I want to know why those Brummie clams are not giving more money to get that Ideal Org open. Just how much do they need to keep body and soul together? They could probably get by eating a couple of eggs a day and drinking tap water. Clothes they can pick up cheap from Oxfam. If they are cold then they can wrap themselves in Alufoil. I am sure there is a lot more money they could and should be giving to make this happen.
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  22. Horseradish Member


    Rubbish.
  23. Sekee Member


    Brum’s org is next door to a pawn shop so there is no excuse!
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  24. jensting Member

    .. and lawyers. You forgot lawyers.
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  25. RolandRB Member

  26. Graeme Wilson lying again?

    I noticed that the above UK news they say that initial works are starting in Birmingham....but in 2013......

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22541974

    Graeme Wilson, UK public affairs director for the church, said work would start within the next six months and finish in 2014.

    He said: "The project will involve skilled crafts to sensitively restore marble and oak panelling, as well as structural work to repair damage to bring back the fine aspects of the building
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  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology Plans Protest In Birmingham Against Royal College of Psychiatrists | Sec Check

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    Scientology front group Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is planning a protest in Birmingham, England against the Annual Congress of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. The conference will be held June 29th to July 2nd at the ICC Birmingham, a large convention hall in the city’s center. They expect over 2,000 attendees from over 50 countries to attend the congress. Scientology will be protesting on the last day of the event, and their expected numbers are unknown.

    Source:
    https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015...ngham-against-royal-college-of-psychiatrists/
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  28. TorontosRoot Member

    When anonymous shows up, expect scientology to be chickenshit and BAWWWW.
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  29. DeathHamster Member

    Old but good video:

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  30. jensting Member

    Anons certainly shut down one CCHR protest back in 2008 or 2009. It's worth a go :)
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  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    What is happening with the Scientology HQ in Moseley? | Birmingham Post

    A new application for planning permission suggests work is still to go ahead on Pitmaston House - despite ten years of inactivity.

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    In 2007, the Church of Scientology bought Pitmaston House in Moseley for £4,200,000. Despite the city council granting planning permission to the controversial church in 2013, no work seems to have been completed on the property - although, an application for planning permission in December suggests that the church is still seeking to renovate Pitmaston House.

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    Its plans in Birmingham were met with similar controversy - with one objector calling the church a “corrupt, sinister and dangerous cult” , something it has strenuously denied, claiming instead it is a legitimate religion, a claim that was backed by the Supreme Court in December 2013.

    However, nothing seems to have come from these plans, with the planning permission expiring in mid-May 2016. Despite holding an important place in Moseley’s history, the building appears to have been left to languish. From the outside, the property does not seem to have changed at all in the ten years since its purchase - although, despite its outward appearance, the historic building is supposedly in use by the church, and building work is still due to be completed.

    Planning permission was applied for by the Church on December 20 2016 and was approved by Birmingham City Council on January 19. Permission was granted to extend the sunken plant area at the rear of the building and relocate the substation. It is unclear when this work will be undertaken, but shows that the church hasn’t completely forgotten about the building.

    Martin Straker Welds, the Labour councillor for Moseley and Kings Heath, has suggested that the building is in use by the church, despite the lack of building work. He added: “My understanding is that the organisation has started using the site in its present condition, without progressing any of the works that required the conditions of their listed building consent to have been agreed.”

    “They are now in dialogue with the BCC conservation officer regarding the listed building conditions.”

    This means there could still be hope for the future of Pitmaston House, despite the absence of activity over the last ten years.

    Spokesman for the Church of Scientology, Graeme Wilson, has confirmed work will be going ahead on Pitmaston House: "We are indeed very pleased to announce that having received planning permission from the Birmingham City Council on 19 January, we are now able to move forward with the construction of our new Church of Scientology in Birmingham.

    "This is a major step forward and our intention is to complete this new Church of Scientology in the coming year."

    "Once the full renovations have been completed, the Church will be opened."

    "To date, the Church has opened 56 new Scientology churches, community centres and Advanced Organizations in major cities and cultural centres across four continents, and new ones are dedicated each month."

    Mr Wilson also added that a major function of the Church is to "give help in the local community, including with drug education, human rights education, literacy programmes, crime reduction programmes, helping those in need, and more."

    Full article, with open comments: http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/bus...hat-happening-scientology-hq-moseley-12483572
  32. TorontosRoot Member

    Pfft. The cult will never do jack with the property. It's all hot air with empty promises.
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  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    Work has begun on Birmingham's Church of Scientology headquarters

    Ten years after first buying an historic building in Moseley, the Church of Sci ontology has finally started work on their Birmingham HQ

    By Adam Learoyd, Birmingham Mail

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    Building work has begun to turn a historic building in Moseley into the main Church of Scientology in Birmingham.

    In 2007, Pitmaston House was bought by the Church for £4,200,000.

    Ten years later, renovations have finally begun to transform the property into a place of worship for the often controversial religion.

    Graeme Wilson, the Church of Scientology’s UK-based public affairs director, commented that “We are indeed very pleased to announce that are now moving forward with the construction of our new Church of Scientology in Birmingham.

    “This is a major step forward and our intention is to complete this new Church of Scientology in the coming year.“

    Currently work on the internal fit outs are being done, including the plumbing and electrics of the building.

    Initial planning permission in 2013 applied for building of a 140-seat chapel, a training centre and about 40 offices and, according to the church, this is still due to be implemented.

    The current building was built in the 1930s on the footprint of the original Pitmaston House - which dated back to the 1870s. The offices were designed by one of Birmingham's finest Inter-War architects, Holland W Hobbiss.

    In 2003, the 1930s Ideal Benefit Offices received the status of a Grade II listed building – protecting both the interior, exterior and setting of the building.

    The Church of Scientology now have full ownership of the building after acquiring it in 2007.

    The US sect is probably best known for its celebrity members, including Tom Cruise and John Travolta, and has often drawn criticism for its methods.

    The original plans to renovate this Birmingham were met with similar controversy - with one objector calling the church a “corrupt, sinister and dangerous cult”.

    This has been strenuously denied by the church, claiming instead to be a legitimate religion - something that was backed by the Supreme Court in December 2013.

    It remains to be seen how residents of Moseley will react now building work has begun, although the Church are hopeful about their positive involvement within the community.

    Graeme Wilson commented that “A major function of our Churches is to give help in the local community, including with drug education, human rights education, literacy programmes, crime reduction programmes, helping those in need, and more.”

    Source: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/property/work-begun-church-scientology-headquarters-12885970
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  34. DeathHamster Member

    140-seat chapel, my ass!

    It's a cookbook! for fund-raising events.

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  35. TorontosRoot Member

    Now if the cult acted like an exhibit hall provider, then the fees would likely make sense. Hahahaha.

    But they will never do it.
  36. The Wrong Guy Member

  37. The Wrong Guy Member

    Desperately seeking suckers in England

    By Tony Ortega, October 13, 2017

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    One of our readers in England who had only the most tangential involvement in Scientology received this pitch for employment and thought we might find it interesting. Which opening is it referencing, do you think? (We know that the Dublin Ideal Org opening is tomorrow, and we suspect that this notice is for Birmingham, we just didn’t know it was coming up so fast.)

    As you might have heard earlier, we are opening several brand new Ideal Scientology Organisations in the UK. Now the time has come for our next magnificent Ideal Org to open in the UK on Saturday 21 October! We have already recruited more then 150 staff for this from all over the UK and Europe. These have been trained in Los Angeles and have become total professionals in any of the positions they have been recruited for. We need however still another 50 staff members to fill the last positions and get them trained locally within the next two weeks before the opening.

    Therefore you will have this career opportunity to become a staff member in this magnificent building. With all our life improvement courses, Dianetics auditing and social betterment programs, you will improve yourself to new levels, while helping others to do the same. As a result you will increase continuously your own abilities while working as part of a team to create a better civilisation.

    We have still many opportunities for careers available. We need people who have skills or experience or are just keen to learn any of the following:

    Receptionist
    Personnel (HR)
    Promotion
    Marketing
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    Executives
    Management
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    Finance
    Auditing
    Supervising
    Quality Control
    Estates
    Building Maintenance
    Public Contact
    Anti drug campaigns
    Human Rights Activist
    Human Resources
    Disaster response representative
    New public host
    Effective education tutor
    Plus more (contact us to find out what other roles are needed)

    Just return this email for more information or contact me directly on the phone number below. Alternatively you can Whats App me and I can send you a video of the new Organisation.

    Kind Regards,

    Jamie Horton
    Recruitment Agent
    Church of Scientology

    Tel: 07958112219

    Source: https://tonyortega.org/2017/10/13/a...-scientologys-attack-of-her-leah-remini-spot/
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  38. The Wrong Guy Member

    David Miscavige is gambling on Birmingham for Scientology success, and who knows why

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, October 15, 2017

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    Yesterday the new Dublin Ideal Org opened its doors, and Scientology leader David Miscavige only has a week before officiating at the opening of the next one in Birmingham, England on October 21. As we reported last month, the org is experiencing a surge in staff members, eager to be among the “founding staff members.”

    Scientology orgs are usually divided into “Foundation” and “Day,” with Foundation handling the nights and weekends. A complete org structure is staffed for each, so that they can be considered two orgs sharing one building. Birmingham Day Executive Director Simon Chisholm describes how the org will function with all of the posts filled with staff that have been trained in Los Angeles or Clearwater to Golden Age of Tech II standards.

    Dublin and Birmingham are similar in that many of these new staff are not from the area. Staff housing has been set up in each city to accommodate them as an inducement to sign up.

    Staff housing is unusual for Class V orgs and can deter those who are thinking of “blowing,” or leaving. Not only would they lose their job and friends, leaving Scientology would put them out of their home in an unfamiliar city. Bunk bed “berthing” is more typical for Sea Org members where they can be dirty and poorly maintained. This housing arrangement does make it easier for married couples and families to join staff. Usually a working spouse or parent supports a staff member, who make less than minimum wage. In Birmingham we are seeing couples and entire families join staff together.

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    Last month the Birmingham facility had 125 staff, and now are up to 153. Scientologists who don’t sign a staff contract before the opening risk missing out when or if the org goes Saint Hill size, and the promise that the Universe Corps will arrive to deliver the OT levels to qualified staff members.

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    Scientology is determined to make the Birmingham Ideal Org a success and have devoted unusual levels of resources to ensure that it is. It remains to be seen if it escapes the boom and bust process that previous ideal orgs have experienced.

    More at https://tonyortega.org/2017/10/15/d...am-for-scientology-success-and-who-knows-why/
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  39. Quentinanon Member

    "Dublin and Birmingham are similar in that many of these new staff are not from the area. Staff housing has been set up in each city to accommodate them as an inducement to sign up."

    Before this time, you had to have a "WOG job" to pay the rent for an apartment and buy food because the pay in morgs was very low, and sometimes not a all. And often, you had to BYOTP, bring your own toilet paper.

    "Staff housing is unusual for Class V orgs and can deter those who are thinking of “blowing,” or leaving. Not only would they lose their job and friends, leaving Scientology would put them out of their home in an unfamiliar city. Bunk bed “berthing” is more typical for Sea Org members where they can be dirty and poorly maintained. This housing arrangement does make it easier for married couples and families to join staff. Usually a working spouse or parent supports a staff member, who make less than minimum wage. In Birmingham we are seeing couples and entire families join staff together."

    This is quite an experiment and definitely is getting subsidised by international headquarters of the scientology crime syndicate. If it fails, those dupes who joined staff are going to have to find housing and new jobs very fast or become destitute and homeless.
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  40. TorontosRoot Member

    It is going to suck for them all in that case.
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