Still wouldn't surprise me if they tried. "We were lied to and as such defrauded out of X amount of rates." See lower down. Thing is that the BBC strat to everything is similar to the cos in that they try and make you cave. We had an incident with them years back where they stopped us from leafleting and it took ITN and Liberty to get them to check with Lawyers and DEFRA. Defra told them to stop being idiots. In a reply to a question I posted. I don't actually remember the CoS or any promo saying they had bought it. There's usually something in the Birmingham Mail too like the whole 'We're gonna buy the place' that comes up on a yearly basis, I can't remember seeing a 'We've bought the place'. We'd known they basically owned it for ages, hence why I brought up the holding company thinking the 2K9 stuff was possibly wrong, it was still effectively owned by the late Mr. Gainman sometime around then iirc. I'll go deeper into that thread, though it makes my brain hurt cus it all gets convoluted. Still, if COSRECI outright owns it themselves then they can't turn round and reg by saying 'we need cash to buy this place.'  and after a read back through the news on the sale wasn't added till a year after sale. Shame it wasn't popped in it's own thread, we may have remembered it then. but then stick does a lot of important intel work so thanks stick[/edit] Afaik it was to do with one Jon D. Pick up that copy of The Complex and read through the chapter Surfing for the Truth. You can skip forward a bit and go straight to page 255, the strat and execution is all in there. Exploitation of playing the religion card in essence, enabled by worming your way into the councils good books and chatting to Claire Short. "My dear judge, the scilons buttered us up to get relief rates that deprived us of money for running services"