Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Thanks you guys for the support. I'll be taking the day off, keep my eyes peeled and relax for a bit. Ya'll can send PMs with ?'s if you want but I prolly won't get back to them until tonight.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD btw, when this bullshit gets thrown out by the DA, file a grievance with the local police alleging police harassment. if we do this every single time the police cite one of us on some $cilon bullshit, the police will start to actually investigate the claim before swallowing it whole like the whores they are.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Does that really matter? They're lawyers, and would help us for free. ACLU are PROFESSIONALS when it comes to this kind of thing, and if we can get them involved and win, it would set a legal precedent. The worst that would happen is that they say no, or we lose.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I think a phone call conversation with the police before raids would be a better idea. It's worked out well with many other cities before & it doesn't put the police in the hot seat.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I kinda like that idea of a distinct faggotry response unit, ready at a moments notice. Rapid Anonymous Enturbulation Patrol .... R.A.E.P. (oops lol).
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD They certainly are ramping up their arrests on Anons. I do believe they think they have found something that works. Btw, damn terrorists...there was dancing, and children. How terrifying.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Lol, it only works if it gets people to stop protesting or actually gets them in jail. If not, it establishes a pattern of using law enforcement to harass, intimidate, and try to take people's freedom of speech. A pattern that when sent to the FBI, will raise red flags all over the place.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD What the Scis do is get one of their PIs to call one of their friendly Sci cops and run the plates. Technically as long as the person doing the checking is law enforcement, it's legal, subject to whatever rules the state uses. As for justification, he'd say "I was checking out a suspicious vehicle".
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I do remember that and rageing about it on the crappy temp forum that was put up when the main enturb site crashed. Though while Atlanta's happened in the first few months, this is clearly a switch of behavior on the San Jose cops part on what is legal for the anons to do. The South Bay anons have been in contact with the cops before and have talked with them about what is and isn't ok. Don't know now why all of a sudden this stuff is all bad unless their is an outside force or reason behind the cops change of attitude. Well, May 16th-21st is the psych convention and different anons from different cells are coming on different days to counter protest, raid, and slaughter. Southbay anons are grouping up with SF during this like we usually do for big events, and PDX and Seattlefags are coming in as well. No news from LA or San Diego as of yet, but all and any are welcome.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Sorry about the cops buying the Scilon BS. This can be fixed though. It's just the same crap. Also, we got "raided" by the cops in Tustin, too. Our raid had a happier ending, though. Jealous?
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD comm lag, lol I will offer as an excuse one knee is three times larger than the other one, and the pain pills were having their effect last night I talked to a San Jose police sergeant last August who pretty much contradicted what Major Boyle says here. From what the sergeant said I would expect this sort of faggotry to come out when the various LEO actually start investigating. This is where the wheels of justice grind slow but exceedingly fine. An investigation that found unauthorized license plate checks would be a red flag to all sorts of criminal investigations. And scilons can't think long term, as Jeff says, to them long term can ONLY mean scientology in charge of everything, hence no other outcome possible
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD ^^^THIS! All Anons who have been identified. KEEP CAMERAS ON YOU! Make sure they are ready to whip out and record. Cellphone cams are probably the best. If P.I.'s get involved, you'll need photo evidence. Remember the fair-game stories of Bunker and other critics. Get yourselves prepared for the worst, even if it may seem relatively minor. And don't forget Old Guard. They've been bullshitted by Scifag fair game longer than Anonymous and they are still protesting. I'm starting to see Scifags are using more and more police arrests to identify Anons. Riverside, Nashville, Atlanta, now in San Jose. What is this? Po-Po-Tech?
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD There was no citizen's arrest. It was a "Terry Stop". Terry Stop Law & Legal Definition Terry v. Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD i'm not sure it was even a terry stop as no one was frisked. only info was copied down and pictures taken of the three. no actual arrests were made. i'm reading this thread and i think it might be getting a little over exaggerated. IMO i don't think this will go to court and was only used as a scare tactic to get info on those three people. i don't think any major action needs to be taken as a result of this. i don't think we need to involve the ACLU in this nor do i think it's very good grounds to challenge their religious status on (which would be a long and costly procedure). i would suggest not having honk signs anymore but before we do that i would suggest we get in contact with the police officer that the SJ anons talked to before that said nothing about honk signs being out of bounds. i'd ask why more than a year of protesting WITH honk signs has gone by without police action and only now they decide to interpret the law that way.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD To the three who got namefagged by this, call the state attorney general and complain about the both the police tactics and the scilons. It might even make the state AG want to take a look into any possible collusion between the groups.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD The police is not supposed to be your own personal stalking tool. All access to the license plate database is logged. They can see who looked you up. If a corrupt officer did that, they might face disciplinary action, and you might sue the officer if his misuse of the system got you in danger vis a vis Scientology. As for this tactic of getting names, can't some kind of arrangement be worked out where the police hold on to the names and don't release them unless and until CoS presses charges and this actually gets taken to court?
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I'm not so sure. The OSA probably hope that footage of Anons being arrested creates an epidemic suggestion that Anons are dangerous, even though the police are the first agressors on many occasions and the anons are released. Even if the police brutalize Anons, it could create the public impression that Anons are pugnatious. 1260
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I do not pretend to know anyone in this pic or what their intentions are toward each other are, but it did give me an idea: OPERATION "DATA-COP" Now go ! jusay'n
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD RIF, flirting with the fuzz again? (Hoping for a little handcuff action?)
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Especially when their failures and police aggression end up on the news, like KESQ and Channel 4 Nashville. *eyeroll* CoS has been trying this for ages, just like the pamphlet to Jeff Stone. Nothing to be done about their faggotry except to stay legal, be lulzy, and expose it all!
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD And what agenda would this be? I believe the ACLU should be called, and at the very least, an ACLU Protest Monitor should be requested for future events. From everything I've seen, the ACLU has a good track record of protecting the rights of protesters, regardless of ideology.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD relax, I'm not anti ACLU I just don't like the idea of giving the reins over to a johny come lately. If you have experience with them and are sure they can do the job , then bring it.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD "religious services" is not the language of the statute, Moar. The statute says "any assemblage of people met for religious worship". I'd argue that two people sitting opposite each other over soup cans are not an "assemblage", nor "met for religious worship". I look forward to this going to trial and to the attendant discovery and cross-examination of Sci witnesses.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD The real question is, is my butt on his hand or is his hand on my butt? OK, back to serious matters.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I heard that someone had the video when the police arrived, when are we going to see that if we are going to at all?
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I started filming about 5 min. or so after they got there. I gave my memory card to pacman and he will get them up with his as he can. I would like to see it myself but he is going through a rough patch , so we need to be patient.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I got dox'd after a raid at the SJ org a while back. Expect a letter with the Anonymous Hate Crimes DVD hand delivered to your door by a PI. I got followed a few times after that, real obvious because they want you to know they are watching you. Unfortunately they freaked out my wife which may have been their plan all along. Fuckers.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD These are excellent points. "Worship" brings to mind the excellent question a Bucks County, PA, supervisor asked the scilon who wanted to set up a mission in a house of his: "What do you worship?"
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Ok guys, quick idea for a new sign.. "Don't honk! Scientology will sue us!" I know sue isn't the right word, but it's shorter than "press charges against" and signs always need space to be big enough for the people to read
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD That may nonethless be considered to invite drivers to honk. 1260
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD I've been having problems working with the video. For one, my own camera fell over while attached to the tripod during the final hour of raiding, so its acting very funky and I can't get a proper diagnostic because I lost my damn power cord >.> And on top of that my card reader isn't working with my laptop, so I need to buy a new one tomorrow and see what I can do with it then. Today has been pretty fail in regards to video, but I hope to have it fixed soon. If nothing comes about tomorrow, then efforts will have to wait until after the Psych raid. I've spoken with a few personal friends of mine, and one of them has volunteered to protest in my place while this whole legal thing starts to blow over. He'll help out the southbay protests as soon as we finish up the Psych raep. One down, OSA. Let's see you try again
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD Yep, and this is completely subjective. A good lawyer (which I ain't) would argue no one can confirm that the scilons were having a recognizable religious observance to disrupt and what that would look like even if they were. That statute cannot be enforced simply because it is up to the complainant to claim that whatever they were doing was of a religions nature. That gives too much power to them. How about knocking off a bank? That's a religious observance right? I think it is! Prove that it's not!
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD So does freedom of worship legally trump freedom of speech/to protest in US law? How would having protesters outside impinge on their ability to worship? Unless protesters were preventing access to the building or entered the place of worship to protest I can’t see how their argument holds water. The orgs expectation that the world outside their building should remain silent in case they may be worshipping is unrealistic. They are arguing that they have the right to worship in a silent environment. Noise does not prevent worship. Services have been held on battlefields in war zones, during storms, churches have been built on the end of airport runways. Yet worship continues. The silence they are demanding is silence from criticism. A right that even proper religions do not have.
Re: San Jose raid gets raided by PD A Terry Stop does not necessarily involve frisking. Read the definition. It is an option. Police can obtain your identification, however taking pictures of you goes beyond a Terry Stop and you had every right to refuse to have your picture taken. They should be prosecuted for that.
