Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 From the Aug. 10, 2010 meeting of the Riverside County Board of Supervisors:
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Looking at the board, he's on the far right with his head in his hands with the expression.. "Oh no, not again.." Jeffy's gotten quite humble since he lost the election.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Is it wrong that this makes me smile? So fulfilling to see someone so full of shit have his ass handed to him by the electorate. It's delicious. AO continues to deliver his message and did not appear to be come off as a complete moonbat this time, which seems to be a trend for him lately.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 I am glad that AO continues to plug away. And I am also glad he brought up Anon Sparrow, although I am sure the panel can care less. But, I don't think he should call OSA tagging someone a terrorist. I am not of course sticking up for OSA at all! lol! It just sounds like something COS would say. IMO I know he was going by what the definition of a terrorist is, but again it just sounds like somehting COS would pull
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/terrorism-scientology-54914/
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Nevertheless, the Board sure is getting an education on Scientology they didn't know anything about before.. and the info they're getting on the cult is from local & international sources.. they're seeing how Scientology is disliked around the world.. It also shows the Board that their colleague Jeff Stone has not been honest or forthcoming to them with real info on the cult. It's interesting too, that Supervisor Ashley no longer greets AO as "Mr. Choquette," but warmly greets him as "Francois." I think AO is growing on him.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 These are the documents AnonOrange displayed during his comments: Is Scientology a dangerous cult? Perhaps a terrorist organization? Is Scientology a dangerous cult? Perhaps a terrorist organization? « The Frame Problem Graham Berry: Criminal Complaint to Ashcroft - Scientology Crime and Terrorism - 1 Criminal Complaint to Ashcroft - Scientology Crime and Terrorism - 1 - Cult information from cult expert Steve Hassan
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Thoughts to AO - I'm sure he browses. Work of late has been above par - keep it up. You need to work on focussing the message - this time it was on terrorism and scientology. It would have been more effective if you'd given the definition, moved on to limited examples, and then come back to the definition. To much focus up-front meant the supervisors were able to escape the conclusion you wanted to lead them towards. If you had to choose, leaving the defn until the end would have been more powerful - here is what the cult does, here is a definition of terrorism, think about it... The end of your presentation will always have more potential for impact than the beginning. Build up to it, focus on it, make the end punchy, not some wimpy appreciation for letting you have an extra 30 seconds without cutting you off.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 It's important to point out when people fighting for the same goals as you make bogus arguments. Comparing scientology to a terrorist group does nothing but make one sound unhinged and undermines anything you say afterwords.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 I agree. AO is also sounding a bit more relaxed, speaks more succinctly, and is doing a much better job of getting his point across IMHO.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 But they are a terrorist organization, if they happened to be an Islamic organization and were pulling the shit they pull, their bank accounts would have been frozen a long time ago.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 How is the Church of Scientology a terrorist organization?
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Criminal Complaint to Ashcroft - Scientology Crime and Terrorism - 1 - Cult information from cult expert Steve Hassan They terrorize anyone who they perceive to be a threat to their totalitarian cult
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Whether the COS qualifies as a terrorist organization, or not, has to be individually self-defined. Noun 1. terrorist organization - a movement that uses terror as a weapon to achieve its goals; an organization that facilitates the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. terrorist organization - definition of terrorist organization by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Nowhere does Berry make anything resembling a cogent argument as to why Scientology is a terrorist organization. Furthermore, you know as well as I do that intimidating individuals in and of itself is no where near what people have in mind when they use the term terrorism. There are many legitimate criticisms of the Church, there is no reason to shred your own credibility by making outlandish and entirely unfounded claims labeling the Church a terrorist organization. Finally, your statements could be construed to mean that scientologists are terrorists by virtue of being a part of the Church of Scientology, which is entirely unfair and absurd.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 The Cult of Scientology is a terrorist organization, there is good reason countries around the planet have banned their vile filth.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 You do realize that, under that definition, chanology qualifies as a terrorist organization, right?
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Yes, which is why I posted that "whether the COS qualifies as a terrorist organization, or not, has to be individually self-defined."
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Saying that the Church of Scientology is a terrorist organization does not make it so. I also think that having literature censored by governments is a rather poor criterion for assigning the label of terrorist.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Do you really fail to see the irony here? You are trying to claim the cult of Scientology is not a Terrorist organization, yet you are posting anonymously because you are afraid to be terrorized by the cult of Scientology
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 That is hardly the only reason why someone might post anonymously. I am not afraid of the Church of Scientology. I also don't think that someone's decision to post anonymously online is a good indicator that a group is a terrorist organization.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 No point it wasting any more time arguing about it, pretty soon it won't matter, because they will be just a memory
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 I don't concur. Scientology practice, policy and scripture meet the description of a terrorist organization, IMO. The recent finding of Judge Fischer also records their involvement in human trafficking, physical abuse and labor law violations with a profit motive and that these offenses are only overlooked because of the ministerial exception. To my eye, Scientology actions and policy meet the description of a terrorist organization engaged in internationally organized crime for monetary gain. While AO's recent speech may have been less than perfectly eloquent, he raised an issue worth examining. Hopefully, continued attendance at the Toast Masters meetings will help him with the development of focus and power in driving the point home. I'm sure the fact that the meetings are held three doors down from Jeff Stone's office is also great fun to contemplate for Francois et al.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 No, wrong. I find no "calculated use of violence (or threat of violence)" in chanology. Chanology is not even an "organization". There's plenty of documentation and evidence to show violence, threats of violence, coercion, intimidation and instilling fear perpetrated by scientology though.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Again, saying scientology is a terrorist organization does not make it so. Furthermore, the judge in the headlys' lawsuit did not find that scientology engaged in any crimes. The judge threw out the lawsuit without any determination of weather or not scientology was guilty of the claims in the lawsuit.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 I see a mantra-like pattern. All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Oh man the tinfoil speculation infraction finger is itching. Scientology is not a terrorist organization. You seriously crazy if you if think it's anything like a terrorist organization. There is no gray area, it simply is not a terrorist organization. I can't believe I had to type that.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 FTFY. I didn't write that she found them guilty of any crimes. I said her "findings recorded their involvement". Scientology admitted to the charges Headley made but claimed they were part of their religious doctrine and subject to ministerial exception.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 Maybe all y'all hardened OG-types are down with being stalked around because you expect it and accept it. Where I come from that's downright wrong...and to me, terrorizing. A person (or group) doesn't follow a person around on dark streets without some devious purpose.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 I just watched the video. There is absolutely no way the board of supervisors will ever take our side seriously ever again. Thanks, AO, for destroying what little credibility we had left.
Re: Riverside Supervisors Meeting Aug. 10, 2010 He's not doing any damage. Those of us that have been to the hearings and spoken before the Board recognize there is a redneck mentality among most of the supervisors and they could care less about anyone or anything that's not a part of their agenda. They're voting for the anti-protest ordinance was a gesture of support for then-head of the board, Jeff Stone.. to be on his good side when they needed support later on something they were doing. It's nothing but rubbing each others backs & calling in favors when it comes to Riverside County politics. Look on the bright side... a neo-Nazi, self-proclaimed white supremacist has qualified to run for the school board in the county.. Aryan Nations member runs for school board | Local News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California
