Riots in Ferguson, Missouri after police shoot Michael Brown

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  1. Before Obama spoke Thursday, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles said in an interview on CNN that the arrest of the two reporters Wednesday night “appeared regrettable.” He added, “We will make sure that reporters are treated in a proper fashion.”

    Knowles also said that the release of names of police officers by the group Anonymous has jeopardized their safety. “None of those officers have anything to do with what went on,” he said. “Anybody now who’s named is absolutely in danger.”
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    Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization | Vox

    Norman Stamper spent 34 years as a cop, including as the chief of police for Seattle, a job he left one year after the city's police drew international attention for their heavy-handed response to 1999 anti-WTO protests. Now he speaks and writes often about police issues, including the militarization of American police forces, which believes was one of the causes of Seattle's 1999 violence — and now is a major contributor to the ongoing unrest in Ferguson, Missouri. Stamper is also on the advisory board of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, which advocates for improvements in drug policy.

    I spoke with Stamper about the dangerous implications of America's police militarization, what's happening Ferguson, and more.

    Amanda Taub: I was hoping to find out a little bit more about your reflections on the police response that was used in Seattle around the 1999 WTO protests, and how you think those kind of insights could apply to what's happening in Ferguson.

    Norman Stamper: What happened in Seattle in 1999 was a police overreaction, which I presided over. It was the worst mistake of my career. We used chemical agents, a euphemism for tear gas, against nonviolent and essentially nonthreatening protesters. The natural consequence of which are that we were the catalyst for heightened tension and conflict rather than peacekeepers, or for that matter even peacemakers. It's a lesson, unfortunately, that American law enforcement in general has not learned.

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    Mike Brown EyeWitness Crime Scene Video Ferguson, MO

    Published by BlackCanseco on August 14, 2014

    This is among the earliest video shot of Mike Brown laying dead on the street after being gunned down. According to the videographer, Brown was gunned down just before filming. Voices on the video highlight that Brown had no weapon, and had his hands in the air when shot.

    Residents are heard around the 1:00 mark explaining the chain of events and clearly state Brown was unarmed and not fighting with police.

    Note how the Ferguson PD do nothing to give Brown aid or even to secure his body in death. Note the nonchalant behavior of the PD as Brown lays dead.

    At the 3:00 mark, Brown's father shows up and discovers his son dead. The police escort him away from the scene.

    Near the 4-minute mark, Brown's father runs to the scene discovers his son dead and is stopped by the PD. This video disproves the Ferguson PD's claims of Brown being armed as there are no weapons at the scene and no PD are doing anything to document or secure the integrity of the scene.
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    You are having this argument with yourself. You can decide what my beliefs are and then argue against them. Just leave me out of it.
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    I LOVE YELLOWMAN! Where did you find this?
  7. rof Member

    yo yo yo yo

    I roll with the white nigga all my life
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  9. Can somebody mirror this before it disappears please. Its new.

  10. if it makes you feel any better boss, we got sick of it almost as quick as we wrote it, we tried to mix it up a bit in the second video, "call to action" with: Join us in protest outside of Scientology centers world wide. We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We will be heard. Expect us. <- just nobody ever notices, or remembers. sigh. Maybe you should come up with something new, have faith in yourself, Anon.
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  11. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    Until I watched these 10 minutes, I didn't understand. Oh my god.
  12. Dis, what is it that you now understand that you didn't before watching this footage?

    I'm genuinely interested to read your interpretation of what you saw in the vid - partly because I have difficulty understanding myself. It's horrible, distressing, to see the body of a young man lying on the street for any length of time without anyone taking responsibility and tending to him. Is this what you meant? (I should say, I could not watch the entire 10 mins, so may have missed something significant).
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    But, limits and challenges to the power of the state not a bad thing in the long run, e.g. checks and balances, due process, fourth estate freedom to report the news. 5th estate now (Teh Interwebs).
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  17. RavenEyes Member

    Funny you should mention Alex. He was live-streaming from Ferguson, sitting on the grass Wednesday night, until he got scared. What a rockstar he is. lol
  18. RavenEyes Member

    This is but one example of protestors being completely docile, except for yelling, "Don't fire!" You will see, toward the end, where the terrorists soldiers police indiscriminately shoot into a quiet residential neighborhood of apparent middle-aged residents and/or families who are inside their homes. Fires begin in the lawns. It's repulsive.

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    FOX2now@FOX2now 2m
    #Ferguson police name the officer who shot #MikeBrown. He is Darren Wilson #stl #MichaelBrown

    HuffPost Politics@HuffPostPol 1m
    BREAKING: Officer involved in Michael Brown shooting is Darren Wilson.

    KMOV@KMOV 48s
    #BREAKING: Chief Tom Jackson names Officer Darren Wilson as being the officer who shot and killed #MichaelBrown on Saturday. #Ferguson

    Michael Skolnik@MichaelSkolnik 11s
    The name of the #Ferguson police officer who killed #MikeBrown is Darren Wilson. He has been on the police force for 6 years. Wilson

    driveswift @Driveswift · 5m
    Glad they gave Officer Darren Wilson nearly a week to scrub his internet history and social media accounts.
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    Police Chief Jackson seemed to be scared shitless during that press conference, but I only caught the last minute or two.

    He said an ambulance was on the scene. I did not see one in the video posted of the first 10 minutes or so following the shooting.

    I missed most of the press conference - something about a "strong arm" robbery. So, there you go. That explains the emptying of a clip into a kid. We can all go back to worrying about Ebola now.
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  27. Because they are lying scumbag filth and sadistic Nazi fuckwits. That's why.
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    OK loooong answer.

    10 minutes with the man lying in the street, no ambulance in spite of neighbors yelling "where is the ambulance". The neighbors yelling and yelling in distress and anger. The father being led away from his son's body and ignored by the police.The man's auntie screaming into the phone and not attended to by the police. The man's body left in the street without being covered or treated as if he were human. The cops showing no urgency as they walked back and forth. 10 minutes is a long time.
    I understand why the police were so afraid that they responded to protests with military action. They knew just how angry the neighborhood was. They had shouted at the police for at least 10 minutes and were ignored.
    If this had happened in my neighborhood or even NYC the ambulance crew would have started CPR for a long time until a MD pronounced him dead or CPR failed after a long time The body would not be left uncovered in the street. There would have been law enforcement and medical people around the body at all times. The family would have been treated with respect.
    The police treated the body like a crime scene and preserved the evidence instead of treating him as a human.
    You should watch it for 10 minutes, it's a long time for no ambulance, no respect, no urgency, and the body lying in a street in the middle of his friends and family without being covered up.
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  30. White Tara Global Moderator

    I could not put my finger on it, what made me so angry watching that ten minutes.

    It was precisely as you say Dis they were so very urgent about protecting their crime scene from all comers, they completely forgot that that crime scene was a young man, and those people were his family, friends and neighbours. Fuck their priorities in those moments.
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    The ambulance was off to the left side and the EMTs never got to the body.
  32. The Wrong Guy Member

    Here is a statement from the Ethical Society of Police:

    Greetings community members of St. Louis, MO and all those across the nation. The Ethical Society of Police has been closely following the events surrounding the unfortunate police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO.

    As a result of public outcry and a demand for justice, the Ferguson police officer's name was released and happens to be, Darren Wilson.

    The first thing we would like to assure the world is that this is a horrific coincidence.

    May I assure the world that this is not the President of the Ethical Society of Police's Sergeant Darren R. Wilson who is African-American, and happens to be an 18 year veteran of the St. Louis Police Department.

    I'm sure additional clarification statements will be released immediately.

    Thank you for your continued support.
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  33. [IMG] Helena@afroazn 25m
    so #MikeBrown's hat disappeared and he changed into shoes right? #Ferguson

    Helena is correct. Guy shown is wearing knee length shorts and wearing sandles


    Even when covered up, you can plainly see that he is wearing sneakers. He was also wearing FULL length trousers. I'll see if I can find that pic.

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    My bad about the full length trousers. They do appear to be knee length shorts. (fallen from his waist)
    When did he have the time to change into sneakers?

    Mistaken identity?
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    The guy in the security camera is bald.
  36. You have that wrong, upperdeck. He is wearing the exact same clothes as seen in the store's surveillance footage. And those sneakers, strangely enough, have the exact same markings as in the surveillance footage. It's definitely him.
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    It's not definitely him until he is convicted in a trial.
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  38. Pretty clear advice from the above. It's a pity that people are just too fucking impetuous for their own good.
    Not checking all the facts has given Anonymous a bad rep. account has been removed and banned because of it. And now it has been left to the rest of us to clean up this shitty mess. People are pissed. And one cannot blame them. Irresponsible assholes in charge of a keyboard have really fucked it up for a lot of people.
  39. Anonymous Hackers’ Efforts to Identify Ferguson Police Officer Create Turmoil


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    They urged the citizens of Ferguson, Mo., to confront the police in the streets. They caused the city’s web servers to crash, forcing officials to communicate by text. They posted the names and address of the county police chief’s family. And then on Thursday they released what they said was the name of the police officer who killed Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old black man, on Saturday.
    Members of Anonymous — the shadowy, snide international collective of hackers and online activists — have played a key role in the growing confrontation outside St. Louis over Mr. Brown’s death, goading and threatening the authorities, and calling the effort Operation Ferguson.
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    Operations in the collective’s decade-long history have included taking down the World Cup website to protest poverty, helping identify assailants in a rape case in Ohio, cheering on the Occupy Wall Street movement and carrying out coordinated cyberassaults on repressive foreign governments. But this one ran into trouble faster than most.

    Buttons urge “Justice for Michael Brown.” In Operation Ferguson, online activists hope to reveal information about his death.CreditDavid Carson/St. Louis Post-Dispatch, via Associated Press
    The St. Louis police said on Twitter that the name given out was wrong, and that the man was not even a police officer. Within Anonymous there was an unusual amount of dissent. In interviews, in private chat channels and on Twitter, members accused those who had initially posted details of producing faulty information and putting one another in harm’s way by openly chatting about their methods online.
    On Thursday, Twitter suspended @TheAnonMessage, the account that had posted the dubious information about the officer, although Twitter officials declined to say why. Those behind the account said in an email that they would post information from a backup account,@TheAnonMessage2, while other Twitter accounts affiliated with Anonymous tried to distance themselves from the post.
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    • Editorial: Abusive Police Tactics in Ferguson Will Only Delay JusticeAUG. 14, 2014
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    “But for the record, one last time. Operation Ferguson has NOT, repeat NOT released the name of Mike Brown’s killer, nor have we claimed to,” the individual behind the Operation Ferguson account said on Twitter.
    Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist who studies Anonymous and teaches at McGill University in Montreal, said she was taken aback that members of Anonymous would be so quick to release unverified information, and would speak so openly about their methods in online chat channels.
    “My jaw was dropping,” Ms. Coleman said, reading members’ communications. “I was surprised because what I was seeing was suggestive but not definitive. Anonymous tends to care about its image quite a bit, and if they were wrong, it would be really bad.”
    In private chat channels early Thursday, she said, members argued about the release of a photo of a man who resembled one of the officers at the scene of Mr. Brown’s shooting.
    Some of it was reminiscent of past Anonymous campaigns, such as that prompted by a rape case in Steubenville, Ohio, and anotherthree years ago in Manhattan, when hackers identified a high-ranking police officer who pepper-sprayed Occupy Wall Street protesters.

    In the Ferguson case, many were drawn to the Anonymous campaign after Tef Poe, a St. Louis rapper, began posting live video and news updates to his Twitter, Vine and Instagram feeds this week. By Monday, the Operation Ferguson Twitter account had been set up, and prominent members of Anonymous had joined the effort.
    Members assert that the organization is not a group but a loose collective working to advance similar ideals — but sometimes contradictory ones. While Anonymous espouses privacy, its members also use the release of others’ personal information as a tactic in cases where they believe the authorities are not acting in the public interest, or the news media has not released pertinent information. Members are quick to condemn any individual who claims to speak for the entire collective, and dissent and infighting are common.
    Members also sought to explain the internal bickering and uncoordinated communications.
    “For those new to Anonymous, it’s a global collective of millions of autonomous individuals and groups,” an Operation Ferguson post on Twitter said. “Each is responsible for themselves only.”
    Since a prominent Anonymous hacker, Hector Xavier Monsegur, became a federal informant more than two years ago, members of the collective have taken great pains to use Internet security and anonymity software tools.
    Some members were desperate in their pleas this week that the man’s photo not be released until more definitive information had been gathered. Ultimately, some members held a vote and decided to release the photo.
    But within hours, many had backtracked. Some openly said the “dox” — a hacking term for the release of an individual’s personal information — had been wrong. “The original dox were faulty, it happens, an excess of zeal,” one Anonymous member said in a direct message on Twitter.
    The infighting seemed to have taken its toll. Those behind the @TheAnonMessage2 account, who were behind the initial disclosures, had grown considerably more circumspect.
    “ANNOUNCEMENT: We are ceasing any future dox releases until further notice,” they posted on Twitter.
    A version of this article appears in print on August 15, 2014, on page A13 of the New York edition with the headline: Hackers’ Efforts to Identify Officer Create Turmoil. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe

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