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Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. STC_sock Member

    Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    No, it doesn't. It really doesn't. That's laughable. I have to go now, it's the end of my lunch break. I'll let someone else explain that one for you.

    a summary: compare the money & power of $cn and Freezone. It's not like comparing Goliath with David, it's like comparing Goliath with one of David's nailclippings.

    Freezone can operate under the proper scrutiny of the press , police & govt agencies.

    If someone has made the choice to leave the cult, that's a very positive thing. If they decide to get some therapy by seeing their old mates in the Freezone, let them be. They might think it's all bullshit but are just 'networking' (staying in touch with humans) as they have a better chance of knowing someone who knows one of their disconnected loved ones, for example. There's no need to be aggressive and say 'you're still a deluded fuckwit'.

    Summary: harm-reduction is best. It's ideal for people to leave $cn and all of LRH's bullshit, but if they are suicidal/mentally scarred, let them hang around with freezoners if they want. Just my humble opinion, let's not get side-tracked, ay?
  2. theLastAnon Member

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    You're a deluded fuckwit.
  3. STC_sock Member

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    What an amazing, well thought out argument! And because you used profanity, your point is extra-valid.
  4. AnonyMary Member

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    That is so preventable. And so sad.

  5. amaX Member

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    Rinder and Rathbun aren't ex's. Clearwaterfags do have an ex who shows up for every protest come rain or shine. He's a real ex Scientologist and he's particularly adept at letting people know that every bit of Scientology is bullshit. He's also very good at getting current Sci's to take fliers from him. We know he's having an impact on those who are still in. I know there are other ex's in other cities that have been getting out and pounding the pavement alongside Anonymous all along and they don't use their kid's cancer scare as a PR stunt while doing so.

    Oops. Edited because I do agree with you that the video is boring and would have been made lulzier if they'd stripped off and smeared vaseline and pubes all over themselves before trying to storm Ft. Homicide.
  6. the_cloak Member

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    Well I'll give them one thing. At least they were smart enough to come crawling out before the feds come down on it.
  7. theLastAnon Member

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    You pulled it in.

    Stop with your "freezone is like methadone" argument. It's not. To play out the drug analogy....If the CoS represents pure heroin, the freezone is shitty-grade heroin cut with too much quinine. Using it produces the same results. There are still SP declares in the freezone. There is still disconnection in the freezone. Salvation still comes for a price. The freezone is not free.
  8. STC_sock Member

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    Is there, really? I wasn't aware, that's quite worrying, if true. It just makes FZ a cult as well!

    I know of at least one case where independents are working in perfect harmony with an ex scilon. She's an East Grinstead person with deep connections to the cult.

    If cult experts like Ursual Caberta say the FZ is okay, it's fine with me. They have years and years of intellgence [through surveillance] and expertise. We're talking espoinage and shit. We're just a bunch of tards who have seen some drama on exscn and are forming opinions. (I know this in itself is not much of an argument, but hey, c'mon people like Ursula aren't idiots. They know what they're talking about, right?)

    For now, I will sit on the side lines and cheer Marty & Rinder as they troll the cult. What they did would have been unthinkable a few years ago, IMHO. But due to the media shitstorm etc. the cult is reluctant to do things like attack them with hammers


    Let's cross that bridge when we come to it?

    Once/if Co$ goes and Miscavige's ass is in jail, there may well be potential for FZ to slowly grow and grow.
    When/if that time comes, I think the world will demand transparency. It will be a piece of piss to nip in the bud.


    Also, if people are seen to be denouncing FZ, it's like we are targetting their belief system. they can believe whatever they like, it's just the illegal mafia stuff that isn't acceptable.
  9. Anonwithhold Member

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    To me this is proof of disconnection that Scientology practices.
    Mike Rinder did not know anything about his wife or children.
    Scientology security did not allow Mike to see Benjamin.
    Disconnection is very much practiced in Scientology.
    David Miscavige is fairgaming Mike and Marty.
  10. Antagone Member

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    Why's Rathbun worried if Rinder's kid has cancer? I mean according to what Marty has posted in the past, the worst that's going to happen is the son will die and then come back to check up on Marty's blog.
  11. STC_sock Member

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    They would argue that Mrs Rinder & Rinder-junior have made a choice to not see Mike.

    </devils advocate>
  12. Anonymous Member

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    I lol'd.
  13. xenubarb Member

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    True...Wonder Woman is addictive!

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  14. RavenEyes Member

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    I understand. My comment concerned Mike's situation, and had nothing to do with Marty. If Rathbun was using it to grandstand then that's despicable, I agree.

    But, guess what? The cult proved us right - yet again - about the existence of disconnection.
  15. STC_sock Member

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    Minor point: the security people spoke to SPs!! (ableit to say 'you're tresspassing') - haven't they commmitted a surpressive action by speaking to an SP? Off to RPF?

    It would be amusing to see Tommy Davis & Marty/Mike square up.

    Where is this goddamn BBC programme we keep hearing about? (The one where Rinder apparently gives an interview). I'm dying to see it.
  16. Stalin Member

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  17. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    Oh no, the HAI incident coming to an anon thread near u. This will surely bring out their socks.
  18. q_p Member

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    The "TECH" is the problem. Do you understand now?

    No one has to explain anything to me. Freezone is BS just like CoS is. Except they're decentralized, tend to be variants instead of pure-bred, and disconnected enough that in order to take them all out, each one has to be fought seperately.

    And just to reiterate what I've said, it's not the CoS that created the abuse, it's the "Tech" itself that does that. The "Tech" is abusive and creates the abuse. The same crap that went on inside the CoS goes on in the Freezone as well.

    While they might not be able to pull off some of the stuff that a larger, centralized cult like the CoS can, they can perform other types of evil the CoS can't because they are small and agile.

    Don't kid yourself. Freezone = Less evident evil... not Freezone = Scientology's methadone.

    I've been in this discussion before, and I've come away with the Freezone has the potential to be far worse than CoS ever was. The bright spot for me is in reality, Scientology will eventually be forgotten (or replaced), like all religion will be. The only real variable is how long does society have to put up with this before it is forgotten? Personally, I would like it to be sooner than later.
  19. PodPeople Member

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    Border Line

    And that's all I have to say about this vid
  20. auchraw Member

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    You people? Me people? Which people exactly are you people talking about? Which people are you?

    Listen, MR and MR are Scientologists. I would be happy if they left the cult but so far they are still Scientologists and so still part of a cult to whose continued existence I am opposed.

    Don't appeal to my kind heart because strangely enough the spectacle of two elderly shabby bums standing outside a posh hotel doesn't touch it. I have a lot of priority cases before I have anything to spare for this pair of chancers. They conned everyone they met all their working lives and they are still conning you.

    Meanwhile I enjoy the spectacle.
  21. STC_sock Member

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    Agile? Are you sure? :D

    Obviously, FZ is bullshit, and the tech is rubbish. You need to try and empathise. If a person gets used to a set of rituals and routines for 20 years, it's hard for them to come off straight-away. People find it hard to come to terms with the fact that they've totally wasted 20 years of their life. FZ might make them less suicidal, or whatever.

    Remember the experts have written papers & journals and shit. Have you read all that stuff? Are able to make a more informed decision than Ursula Caberta? Are you psychiatrist?

    FZ is far, far less harmful than $cn. They don't have money/power. They can't do shit. Stop worrying about nothing. Can you please provide some citations to back up your claims? how do you envisage FZ becoming more harmful?


    Anyway, we can cross this bridge if/when we come to it. At this point, it is not relevant.
  22. Anonymous Member

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    Scientologists fighting scientologists AND a WWP circle jerk! Delicious tears of win!
    Moar! Moar! Moar!

    A legal cock fight in Florida. LOL at anyone who thinks they need to pick sides or search for deep truths. Watch the cocks fight among themselves and enjoy the show.

    1. Panic at Fort Harrison - Scientologists lose
    - Minton's dead but the enturbulation lives on
    - Dead-agenting lies exposed to the BBC

    2. The scientologists Rinder and Rathbun get a huge heaping helping of wake-the-freak-up
    - MR & MR enjoy a taste of their own medicine
    - "Hired a piece of work" - No, Marty. Hubbard induced that behavior
    - Formal disconnection via cop
    - Cops reminded that Fort Harrison is a big fat hassle regardless of who approaches

    3. Big Ben Rinder rejects father and police
    - Son knows he turned his back on his father who came to see him for sure
    - Big Ben given every opportunity to escape under a police escort
    - Son is on his own with his cancer now - literally

    4. WWP explodes in a frenzy of off-topic nonsense regarding kharma, scientology factions, critics' factions, CPD luv/haet, freezone, psychology, self-righteous moralists and Hubbard apologists.
  23. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    cool thread
  24. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    Trust me, reason and this subject do not go well together in the hive at this point in time. Hold your breath for your own sake. Keep your reason.
  25. Anonymous Member

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  26. STC_sock Member

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    Oh, I agree with you.


    It would be more ideal if they denounced all Scn "tech". it may be hard for them to stomach man. Maybe they know it and they're in denial. Remember that their brains have been totally fucked up.

    I'm not saying that Rinder/Rathburn should be congratulated for what they did. However, it's pretty ballsy to turn up like that, in the context of the climate of fear in Clearwater. Their presense undermindes Mr Miscavige's leadership. If rank & file stop being scared of COB, then .... that's good, right?

    I find it funny that David Miscavige is being baited. I would love to see a confrontation - is COB David Miscavige able to hold an argument, without using his fists? How short is his temper?


    Did they con everyone? They were sincere, I'm sure. They actually believed it was right at the time. Didn't they? If they knew all along that it was a scam.. then ... that's different. Very different.
  27. Anonymous Member

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    This^^^. From the looks on their faces, it was obviously quite a big deal that Rathbun and Rinder showed up. I would guess just about everyone on the inside knows who they are and those in charge don't relish trying to explain their presence.
  28. Anonymous Member

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  29. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    thats a pretty cool fro....
  30. STC_sock Member

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    Exactamundo!!!!!!

    COB David Miscavige must be livid. Mortified. Rinder & Rathburn may be dicks, i'm not defending them, but their actions are enturbulating Miscavige. It has to affect their morale (at RTC), right? COB must be drinking a lot. I wonder how he's coping


    Shouldn't OT powers prevent them from turning up. What happened to MEST?
  31. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    OSA would disagree with u.
  32. AnonKat Member

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    And their freedom of speech taken away too would that elate you ?
  33. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    this thread is cooler than a cat that's got your tongue.
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  34. Anonymous Member

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  35. Django Member

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    Not seeing it, myself. Seems to me that Marty/Mike are doing some of the tech - auditing with the cans, the OT levels and "clearing", etc. I haven't heard about them doing the nastier bits like Sec Checking, RPF-ing or aggressive recruiting and they're actively speaking out against Disconnection and Fair Game. Basically, they're squirrelling, though they wouldn't call it that.

    I don't trust either of them, but if a benign form of Scientology arises out of all this, I actually wouldn't care. I don't think it'd last very long, or get very large.
  36. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    If you look hard you will see mR and Mr in this video:
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnuijDieOvY&feature=related]YouTube - 1999-1999[/ame]
  37. Django Member

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    Most of the folks inside likely didn't know what was going on, were probably herded into inside rooms as soon as Marky Rindbun and Mikey Rathder showed up. They knew something was up, just not what.

    This begs the question: What are the rules about megaphone or PA system use at protests in Clearwater?
  38. Re: Rathburn/Rinder raid Fort Harrison hotel.

    The cult members believe whatever their handlers tell them. MR x 2 value is in public awareness. They are another BBC or CNN program which is helping educate the public (being in top ranks an all) to have senate enquiries and exposing the cult. Tech footbullets. Let the show proceed.
  39. Obvious Sock Member

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    "Don't kid yourself. Freezone = Less evident evil... not Freezone = Scientology's methadone ."

    **************************

    Don't kid yourself.

    There's a need in this world for methadone.

    Just because you don't need it...doesn't mean that there aren't others that need it.

    At least for a while.
  40. AnonyMary Member

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    Good enough? Are you saying she is a member of it or just not a critic of it?

    ps: You are an outstanding photographer :)

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