Rathbun Talks about Mike Rinder From Moving On Up a Little Higher - Mike Rinder: WWP Thread: Rathbun Talks About Mike Rinder My comments: I see this as yet another effort to blame everything on DM, and absolve the COS and, more specifically, everyone who subsequently left the Church. The defense is always -- "It wasn't my (or Rinder's) idea, it was DM's idea." "I (or Rinder) didn't agree." "I (or Rinder) objected." In the end, the defense is, "I (or Rinder) was just following orders." Sound familiar? Well, I don't buy it. These people were adults. They followed the orders because they chose to do so. Also, notice that the objection to the use of PIs and heavy handed tactics against, for example, the participants of ARS is not based on the tactics being unethical or morally wrong in and of themselves, but on the ground that they were counter-productive -- i.e., that they caused more problems than they solved. Had Rathbun's and Rinder's cost-benefit (to the COS) analysis of the tactics been different, it appears neither Rathbun nor Rinder would have objected. I've seen this before on ESMB. I call it retroactive moral virginity. As soon as somebody leaves the COS and becomes a "critic" (or at least a Freezoner, or now even an "Independent" Scientologist) they are absolved (or at least absolve themselves) of all guilt, shame and moral responsibility for their actions. (As many on ESMB share such guilt, they also naturally share the tendency to absolve each other.) For tactical and strategic reasons, I'm not sure I entirely object. The FBI uses informants for a reason. And when one's primary goal is to defeat Nazi Germany, one makes an alliance with the Soviet Union. One deals with the Soviet Union, if necessary, after the Nazi's are defeated. I get it. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my "friend," but he may be my expedient (perhaps temporary) ally. But the moral questions remain.