Rafsanjani Sermon: Discussion and Aftermath

lol .. oh the guilt is killing me, I should go to confession will be back in a couple hours.....lol

As if atheists (Stalin anyone) never killed in the name of their belief.

Pot, meet kettle.

Is this a prophecy or a belief ? I thought you were an atheist. If you want democracy then abide to the will of the majority, those who created Islamic Iran 30 years, and still, and will hopefully remain (with any of the competing parties in charge).

Personal choice, an atheist does not believe in abolishing religion, people can believe what they want to believe, but religious law should not be applied on individuals it is as simple as that, why should christians wear the hijab? why should muslims be told to take off the hijab?, why should an atheist be told to follow god's will?, Turkey is a secular state and it is a great example to follow, (given everything is not perfect there but somehow people seem to get along)

makeup your mind, you want democracy or freedom? don't confuse both. If you want freedom, well freedom if not controlled can be devastating to the country, take the US as example: Casinos, Bars, Gun Shops, lot of murders, lot of suicides, prostitution... Freedom is not justice !!!

lol figures, it always ends up turning into a fagfest about the US hahahahaha

GTFO gov troll

Don't be a shame to yourself, you can't deny what I said.

what i meant was the Iranians obviously want more freedom, which is why they backed mousavi, he was doing things unheard of campaigning with his wife and such and backing womens rights etc.. voting for the best candidate even though some approve and some disapproved of the existing system..

i think they were fine with just changing the president until the supreme leader showed his true colors..

now many are wanting a complete restructure of the gov,while others want to revamp the current system with new leaders..

only they can decide if religion stays in gov or not or if they go a different religous gov route or even they go a total different route with no religion..

sometimes in the US all the candidates for a political office suck and we vote anyway for the one we think is the best of the wrong candidates lol we call it where i live voting for the lesser evil.. of course they are not evil its just a term, i think with mousavi he was lesser of the evils and now many iranians will not settle for anything less than a full new gov after what has happened.. but only they know right?

does that make any sense?

A muslim in the US has the right to wear the hijab if they chose, a christian in Iran does not have the personal choice to take the hijab off

Casinos, Bars, Gun Shops, lot of murders, lot of suicides, prostitution?

These are all there but an individual has the personal choice to take part in any of it or not, its their choosing,

I love casinos (when I win), hate guns, we can all agree murders and suicides and prostitution are wrong, but we do not need a religious authority to make that decision for us

democracy and freedom?

I don't know where you live (thinking U.S), go outside and chant, down with the "president's or leader's name" if you get shot, you are in IRAN

hay you guise. seriously. take the religion/athiesm crap to another thread pls.

Isn't a woman nearly naked in the streets an obtrusion to the others' freedom in not seeing such thing while passing in the street?

Why should teenagers and others be subject to such corruption? They make false decisions many times that take their lives away and their brains (Drugs and Alcohol), and and...

obstructions are all over it is not society's fault that you and your kind have no self control to look away

Teach your kids at home about all you think is wrong in the world and they will grow up to be great citizens, not society's fault that you not a good parent

You answered our own questions, I'm done with the religious talk

Well if they follow Rafsanjani's advice to observe the law, and the regime also observes the law, then they can campaign or protest peacefully until the cows come home - and hope the power brokers listen.

exactly!! they had planned to slowly change what they wanted without conflict by changing to more liberal leaders i think, now that the current regime brought conflict to them they are obviously going to go further and possibly all the way.. but i think some the people want different things and they will have to decide that amongst them.. i mean some want religion still in gov and some do not.. but of course that shouldnt be that hard to figure out after stomping in current regime..

true, what to do though? only the people can choose that right?

Yes. After the new election is held and Mousavi becomes President they can take it in turns to safely march or campaign for anything at all, providing the requests or demands are legal.

Yes, I was aware of that possibility, but it wouldn't be fair under the pre-existing laws and conventions to start from scratch and allow anyone to nominate for office in a replacement election - just because it appeared that a majority of people might want that to happen. It would also cause a long delay which would guarantee that the "President-Select" gets sworn in. If they simply arrange for re-voting ASAP (with the same paperwork) the main problem goes away before the "P-S" gets worn in.

i think these leaders get so wrapped up in it they loose all objectivity and it becomes more about power than the people, its hard to go from a leader to a follower unless you are a born leader.. a born leader most often cannot wait to turn over power because he understands the anguish and isolation that comes with it..

to answer your question No, I do not think they see it coming or probably think it is even possible which is incredibly vain considering they were in the last revolution.. I think the religion crossed with Gov encourages this to a extent, but the major factor comes from just seeing yourself as all powerful and seeing everyone else as dogs.. this leader did not even follow the real requirements his position requires so the rules have been different for a select few since the start..

:O you confuted me. How about making executions in the street, how about making orgy in the street... Have control to what you look at my friend.

you confuted me again, as if you are talking about some other planet. No Kids disobey their parents, no corrupted parents are living in this world.

Glad that I did, hope it will enlighten your life someday.

Also, why should they obey their parents? it's freedom, you know. Parents become dictators if they forced their kids to do something they think is right for them.

Well how many of us here thought that the protests could last and de-stabilize the regime? Even now it could turn a lot nastier if the regime is feeling awfully lucky.

Oh they would know. Ahmadinnerjacket wouldn't have gone to great pains to get those pictures of the crowds the other day if he wasn't trying to say "Look - I'm popular too"

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- This should help you spell and pronounce:
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- A terrific comparison. Saddam, the Unites States client. Spreading bulls.

Okay, it's a couple of days since the sermon, and this thread has served it's purpose, so locking.

Please keep discussion of news items to a thread specifically for that topic, and non-news discussion in other forums. Thank you.