When dealing with groups of people involved in high risk behaviours, alcoholism, drug addiction, gangs etc. Is extreme types of failure and death not to be expected if not guaranteed?? Certain addicts and alcoholics I have observed were beyond help and are going to die fast or slow deaths no matter what anyone did. How is any group who is crazy enough to endeavour to help this group of high risk people not going to be exposing themselves to extreme liability. Should we all just stick our nose out of it and not try to help? Myself, I walk away from anyone abusing alcohol or drugs or involved in gangs. I have a very harsh and non-ncompassionate view of these high risk group. Sober people are hard enough to deal with, I cannot afford to have my life dragged down by a person with any of those circumstances. Maybe that makes me a bad person. I do wish them well but have no fantasies that I can somehow rescue a person caught alcohol or drug dependency or street gang behaviour. What are AA's failure and deaths rates and how do they compare to Narcanons? Has anyone collected these statistics? Also, why has law enforcement not made arrests if Narcanon caused people's deaths?
Necronon and disconnection alert^ Why do we need yet another thread of your apologisms, Scientologist?
I think these are interesting and valid questions, which is why I've addressed them in the original thread, over here: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...its-of-resentment.106373/page-18#post-2220587 In brief: - Law enforcement has investigated Narconon in the past and is doing so currently. - Health authorities have refused to approve Narconon in a number of jurisdictions. - The choice is not between giving addicts Narconon's fraudulent 'help' on the one hand, and doing nothing on the other hand: a more valid choice is that between genuine rehab, and Narconon.
This does not mean anything. Around high risk groups there will always be police investigating to some degree. Appropriate. Many things in life are restricted for a variety of reasons. The greater community should have a sav in the treating high risk groups IMO. That is just opinion. Valid as an opinion but still just an opinion. IMO
Not entirely. We have dox to show that Narconon's methods and motives are Scientology rather than genuine rehab - i.e. that Narconon's claim to be a rehabilitation method/organisation is fraudulent. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ is a good place to start on that.
Oh look, the OSA troll has started a new thread to waste our time some more. Argue all you want with the troll, but it will never concede. 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You're not much of an observer. The same might have been said for me twenty years ago, yet I am still here, drug-and-Narconon free! Many of my friends I would not have bet on also came through, also without Narconon's "help." Your "observations" are fail. You don't know what people might do the next month, or next year. Well, that's just lovely. You know your limitations. Pity Narconon staff doesn't share your realistic analysis of your ability to help substance abusers. I am unaware that meetings lead to deaths. AA isn't a treatment center. They only dose you with bad coffee. Nobody dies from talking through their problems. And, FYI, it is NARCONON, so quit spelling it wrong. It's the one with a CON in the middle, get it? Because MOST people aren't stupid enough to take on a big, dumb cult with lots of money in court. I think you'll be seeing arrests shortly. But you've asked the wrong question. How about, WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN NARCONON TROIS RIVIERES BECAUSE NARCONON IS CAUSING PEOPLE'S DEATHS! Or, WHY WON'T AUTHORITIES GO AFTER AN ORGANIZATION THAT USES BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION AND INTIMIDATION IN ITS TACTICS? Gee, I dunno. What do you think? I hope you are able to comprehend this situation.
A convenient ( for you) and weak argument. Law enforcement has gone after bigger fish. When a law is broken, todays society pounces. BP was not let off the hook. It was obvious they cut corners and society pounced. The same is true of Scientology. Most people think they are weird and would pounce with extreme prejudice if they could. You go nothing but plausible sounding empty speculation. Hot air. A by when date so we can measure your hot air I mean words? I asked the question I wanted to ask. Thanks anyway. quote="anon walker, post: 2220680, member: 75217"]How about, WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN NARCONON TROIS RIVIERES BECAUSE NARCONON IS CAUSING PEOPLE'S DEATHS! Or, WHY WON'T AUTHORITIES GO AFTER AN ORGANIZATION THAT USES BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION AND INTIMIDATION IN ITS TACTICS? Gee, I dunno. What do you think? I hope you are able to comprehend this situation.[/quote] Blah blah blah.
^ Yes Osa we understand you 13,000 drug rehabs in the USA 12 deaths reported nationwide in rehabs Narconon 4 deaths in 1 year at just 1 Facility.
Anonymous, post: 2220591, member: 10537 Oh to have such diagnostic acumen. Good. Do them a favor and stay away from them. Ask Charlie Sheen. Stats aren't needed. tick tock
Where is HEBER????? AND NARCONON KILLS DAVID MISCAVIGE PSYCHOPATH DAVID MISCAVIGE PSYCHOPATH DAVID MISCAVIGE PSYCHOPATH LOVE YOU CANCERPANTS
Sure, but scientology and that disgusting little rehab scam are not big fish, they are small fry with a lot of spines. It really isn't very complicated.
True. Including Mary Sue Hubbard, and fellow Scientologists. Defendant Charge Prison time Fine Morris Budlong Burglary, Aiding and Abetting 2–6 years Henning Heldt Conspiracy 4 years $10,000 Mitchell Hermann Conspiracy 4 years $10,000 Jane Kember Burglary, Aiding and Abetting 2–6 years Cindy Raymond Conspiracy 5 years $10,000 Mary Sue Hubbard Conspiracy 5 years $10,000 Duke Snider Conspiracy 4 years $10,000 Sharon Thomas Theft of Government Property 1 year (6 mos served) 5 years probation $1,000 Richard Weigand Conspiracy 4 years $10,000 Gregory Willardson Conspiracy 4 years $10,000 Gerald Bennett Wolfe Conspiracy 5 years $10,000 Of course, old L. Ron was on the run from the law at the time of his death - "indicted co-conspirator" if I remember correctly (or something like that). http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/GO/GOSTIP/toc.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hubbard I think the interesting thing here is that drug rehabilitation centres are so poorly regulated in many jurisdictions - pretty much anyone can come along and say that they're running a drug rehab centre, in many places. Oklahoma, of course, refused state approval to Narconon - it took a few years before Scientology was able to worm its tentacles into a private assessment agency and approve themselves. But up until then, Narconon was running without state registration - i.e. illegally. And there was litigation over that. So it would be a mistake to say that law enforcement and regulators have not taken action against Scientology or Narconon.
Ok, you anti-scientology people lot solve the alcoholism problems. Is any big mouth here taking on drinking problems and high risk individuals? Let me guess, your not going to lift a finger except to point at those that try and fail, what a shocker. Not really. That is the job of the peanut gallery. As soon as you step up and start being the ones who care for people with problems like that , whether you charge them $ or do it for free, there is not much to talk about- you are just people with an opinion that you feel is very important and that the world needs to listen to you.
Ok then, law enforcement is on top of the problem and everything is as it should be, nothing to be concerned about.
Some of us will remain concerned about "it" until Narconon is no more. Fuck anyone who doesn't like it.
