Possible Avenue For Anti-Mask Laws

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by pwnon, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. anonymous612 Member

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    1- LEGAL TEAM =D
    2- Which is why I said it's time to inform him it wasn't a bluff.
    3- TERRY LAWYERASS. Again.
    4- Who the fuck is there left on his email contacts list to BCC?
    5- The "more than likely" in that sentence makes me weep.
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  3. anonymous612 Member

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    Nahh. From the emails, he's got his head so far up his ass even scientologists can't live in that acidic an environment.
  4. pwnon Member

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    1- She's on hold with her legal team as we speak.
    2- Response harpoon was sent. We want to know how he came to the conclusion that wearing a mask is entirely optional. It's nothing more than a stall tactic, but I also worded it so we look civil and respectful. Oops, I clicked to "reply to all". I guess all those agencies he felt like dragging into this are now in it, huh?
    4- I was thinking Scilons as well. :D
    5- We are now working on our proposal to City Council. We'll see his "No" and raise you a "FUCK IT, I'LL DO THIS WITHOUT YOU".
  5. pwnon Member

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    Me: Could you explain how you came to the conclusion that we aren't required to wear masks?
    CA: The pictures on the web show protesters that don't wear masks.
  6. anonymous612 Member

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    2- Do you have contact info on him other than the email? I'd love to call him and chat about how OSA started threatening to 'bash my head in' after they figured out who I was.
    4- Not even scifags like him.
    5- I call your FUCK IT and raise you a HAHAHAHA YOUR WEEKEND'S GONNA SUCK ASS, FUCKER.
  7. pwnon Member

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    We're doing this locally, or the info would have been posted by now. Trust me on that.

    Also, sneak preview;

    Tonight, we will have some kind of update that will decide our next step. Can't release too much info, but we're prepared and ready for what we're gonna do. Wish us luck!
  8. anonymous612 Member

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    ;-; and I had planned on actually fucking sleeping tonight instead of being on skype, you ass.
  9. lothar Member

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    THere are lots of good lawfags on WWP, I haven't seen you getting much advice from them, but City Atty is correct on this (and also cc: Police Chief considering your "harpoons" against mayor and who knows who else in city govt).

    I can't understand how you can read one snippet from McIntyre V. OEC and somehow extend that to wearing masks in public. It has little to do with public protesting and a lot to do with campaign funds and "anonymous" contributions and campaigning and where free speech extends towards campaigns.

    By the way, KKK is a church, so to assume hijab is some protected religious freedom is incorrect.

    You should have asked city council about a planned candlelight vigil you were planning and people wanted to wear masks to celebrate the lives lost at the hands of a Scientology church you are protesting that was directly responsible for their deaths. You have to make it a ceremony or graduation. Instead you told them mask were optional and you only wanted permission for a protest.
  10. anonymous612 Member

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    And because you don't see shit happening means it hasn't happened.

    Fuck the rest of your post. I haven't seen you here helping, so find something better to do than bitch about NC fucked it up.

    Also, are you a lawyer? No?
    </taking legal advice from lothar>
  11. lothar Member

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    I was trying to help by suggesting you actually read McIntyre V. OEC. There is a lot of good stuff on the internets about it. Typically it is applied to anonymous writings that is the context of Supreme Court rulings.
  12. anonymous612 Member

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    Knowing pwnon, I'm willing to bet he probably reads stuff before he emails it.
  13. pwnon Member

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  14. pwnon Member

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    City Council voted. Wood cock blocked us. Said accepting this would open the door for KKK. We're toasted.
  15. anonymous612 Member

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    Two things.

    1) Speakerfag, you are carved from solid win. ;)

    2) Your town fails hard to a criminal level.
  16. anonymous612 Member

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    That was the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen.

    Clearwater allows masks, and last I checked the KKK isn't raiding here.

    Dick move, Terry LawyerAss.
  17. pwnon Member

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    There was a stream of this going guys.

    Here's how it went.

    Our Anon gave all the info.

    City Attorney Wood said masks aren't covered in the constitution, and that it would open the door to the KKK.

    City goes "lol KKK? No thanx"
  18. anonymous612 Member

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    Wonder if Terry's been stressing the KKK because your mayor's black and he knows it'd be Bad News.
  19. lothar Member

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    Good job getting it this far. It also raises the issue to local politicians and actually does a lot for exert civic and political power of a group they like to dismiss and write off as a bunch on online teenagers. It also goes a long way for police thinking they can abuse protesters.

    I don't quite get why they can equate to KKK, because in order for this to happen, they would also have to have city approval to wear masks, and they have full control over approving other groups. So just because they allow one peaceful group of protesters with a year long history of peaceful assembly, it doesn't mean they will have to approve any groups associated with violence or hate speech. OTOH, as a politician I can see not wanting to approve something the media or a local "church" can claim to be hate speech.

    I still don't see how this opens to door.. they weren't changing any legislation. They could also approve it on a one-time basis, but I can see how local scilons might agent provacteur something like that.
  20. anonymous612 Member

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    Don't disagree with the city attorney, he'll require you to deliver relevent information from other cities in your state, signed in triplicate by that city's city attorney.

    You think I'm kidding but I'm not.
  21. Anon777707777 Member

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    Email addresses.

    Pass them to the Hivemind and request a mass harpoon?

    Hell, I reckon I could rally at least SOME ScotAnons to try a few long range shots if you like, could prove to be the shots that make them think "OH SHI-" as they realise we are Worldwide and they look like morons to even the English... and that takes a hell of a lot.

    Inb4Sassanach butthurt.
  22. anonymous612 Member

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    Someone mentioned Scottish people.

    I can tell because I just fangirled a little inside.
  23. pwnon Member

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    Okay, there is a stream of this somewhere. We will not be posting this due to the fact that they facefagged anon pretty hard. I will get the transcription of it, but we're pretty pissed.
  24. pwnon Member

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    Okay, bump for anyone who is still following. Just got done watching the video.

    Here's some problems:

    The City Attorney did not fully present to the Council. He used a selection of words to avoid saying "Demonstration" and said the law only applies to ceremonies. He's admitted in the meeting that we are an organization.

    One of the Members said he would be afraid of "200,000 people in masks decending upon the city". Again, misinformation on the City Council's part. They all received info on this over a week ago.

    One of the City Council Members brought up that this would open the door to the Klan. They all agreed that this would give the Klan a fair chance. No it fucking wouldn't, unless you guys were retarded enough to allow them. lrn2law

    After Anon left, one of the Council Members stated "I would advise this organization to stay in close contact with the Police Department from now on." something along those lines. Shit, meet fan.

    Also, our anon was followed out of the meeting by a journalist. Contact info of his was given to us and he is interested in our group. Anon gave all the fliers and information he had to the man, and we will be hearing from him soon.

    Game isn't over yet, faggots.
  25. pwnon Member

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    Final update tonight, but I figured this might be relevant? There was a stream somewhere at one point last night. Jacked it. I would like to post the stream, so you could get some information from the council, but some dickfuck running the camera doesn't seem to realize what Anonymity means. Basically, it was "okay anon, speak" and the camera goes tight to his face and stays there the entire time. GG, fuckcunt.

    Anyways, I ripped the audio file from it and I typed out the transcript. Yes, I'm too paranoid to post the audio. Read and enjoy. After the post, pay attention, because I'll be clearing up some things. Kay thanks.

    Okay, so here's some issues.

    Firstly, the rest of us NCfags would like to thank Anon who went for us. He, albeit a bit nervous, did a stellar job. He's the most experienced of all of us, and he manned up. He did not lie about the physical assault, he was assaulted in another state. Secondly the "20,000" part comes from the views on WWP during the Jett Travolta thing.

    Actually, I need to clear something to clear something. Anon was sent in with a stack of papers to give to the council. They did not accept the papers, nor were they interested. So his notes he couldn't use. Also, he was given 3 minutes to talk. That's it. Unless the city puts you on the agenda, which they don't in this instance, you don't get more than 3 minutes. So when you go in with this XBOX HUEG amount of data, too fucking bad.

    Anyways, one of the notes had to do with 20,000 unique members on at one time, and he tried cramming. Accidents happen.

    On the City Attorney- He....butchered the exemption and our time was up to rebut. Anon did interrupt him, but he kept his amount of interrupts down, as to appear civil. Wood said that the exemption counts for "Ceremonies and indoctrinations and rituals". So, the city is getting that as their reference point. They should have gotten his previous message, which was something along the lines of "it only counts for organizations involved in demonstrations which require masks". I suppose that would have been too helpful. He finishes with the last blurb about masks not being covered. He picked and chose what to say there. Under the NY state of appeals law, he failed to mention that the KKK was originally granted the right which was revoked. But when he said he didn't know what document we had, that was a lie, because he was notified of the McIntyre V. Ohio Elections Committee case. That case decided that Anonymity was protected under the 1st Amendment, specifically the Bill of Rights, as a form of protection from retaliation. I suppose that would have been too much trouble to mention as well. Also, when stating that it "only refers to that you can't charge a fee to anonymous handbills", that is also incorrect. McIntyre wasn't charged a fee, she was penalized a hundred dollars and her name was released off an anonymous pamphlet. He also says the case "very clearly does not cover anonymity by mask". No, it doesn't. In fact, that's adding words to a case that aren't there.

    The whole overview we got from it was this-

    We like the City of Greensboro. We do. We've had fun there already, we love it there, we have no problems with the city. We are exploring and pushing the boundaries set by the government. This is what makes our Freedom so fucking great! The ability to do this! At the same time, in the Council's own decision, "That fails....we would open the opportunity for groups that aren't peaceful like you."

    The Council admits that we are peaceful, and they have no qualms with us, but they are too afraid to think about changing the way things are. Well, council, for that, we have a disagreement.

    Today, a man stood in front of you. He risked his name, his life, his friends, his family, to convey to you a message of protection from the villiany and evils of Scientology. You couldn't even stand up to the old, forgotten, and weak ways of the KKK. The Greensboro Four would be ashamed.

    I'm almost certain this is tl;dr by now, but I hope people aren't ignoring it. I think it could be a very interesting read, at least.
  26. anonymous612 Member

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    There go my plans for the morning.

    Okay, your ACG = :D, your government = meh, and your city attorney = openly hostile.

    Take the ACG and come live with us. D:

    ....I stress the "Take ACG" part.
  27. grokitt Member

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    Stumbled across a mention of this:

    "The undercurrent of weirdness continued throughout the meeting. A young man was allowed to speak anonymously from the floor to ask permission for his group named anonymous, which protests against the Church of Scientology, to wear masks at their protests because they feared retribution.

    The City Council decided not to allow them to wear masks because Wood said that the group didn't fit the criteria set out in the law. Councilmember Goldie Wells said the council didn't want to do anything that would open the door for the Ku Klux Klan to think that they could start wearing masks."

    from rhinotimes about halfway down the page.
  28. pwnon Member

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    That's the 4th article on it. We're getting coverage.
  29. grokitt Member

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    Spiffy. If you've got links, I've got harpoons. Sry if I missed 'em, but saw nothing in media.
  30. pwnon Member

    Poon 1:
    City moves to annex McLeansville residents : : Greensboro, North Carolina

    Poon 2:
    Neighborhoods don’t want to buy the cow

    The other two are interested journalists. No ling yet but they'll be here soon.

    Also, both have some form of verify. The News-Record link just requires a quick signup (you should have plenty of throwaway emails to do this) and the second is open comments, but required review before posting. Regardless, a chance to show there is interest in this area is always appreciated.

    First link also requires a ZIP code. 24710 would work and is the Gboro zip.

    Shameless harpoon bump before bed.

    Goodnight, sweet Anons.
  31. anonymous612 Member

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  32. Pacifist Member

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    Many internets to you for trying. This is good progress, in that they recognized us as peaceful and a legitimate organization. It's better than nothing, and more chances will arrive.

    Got my harpoons on standby if needed.
  33. Silver Scream Member

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    Doesn't the first amendment give us the right to petition? Since some of us feel endangered if we go to a protest unmasked, we should have the right to wear masks. Don't lawmakers know about the CO$ and how stupid and dangerous of a cult they are?!?! Why do we have to stand for this shit? The lawmakers are dumbasses if they think that the people in the CO$ won't stalk, threaten, kill or torture us! The CO$ is dangerous!!!!!! Borok O'Bama, tell your "boys" to make it legal for anons to wear masks at our protests!!! Oh, this pisses me the fuck off!!!
  34. pwnon Member

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    Pacifist, if you want to harpoon, that first news report would be a good one.

    And Scream, no, sadly the Klan had ruined masks for the rest of us. But not entirely. Things in the works, will keep posted.
  35. TinyDancer Member

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    Protesting in Virginia where masks are not allowed:

    IMG_1475.jpg IMG_1491.jpg

    Creative anons are creative.
  36. pwnon Member

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    Creative anons aren't in Gboro, unfortunately. We were told that if the disguise used covered a portion of our face, it would count as concealing your identity, which = mask, which = v&. We weren't told what the percentage is. Greensboro is a headache city. For more reference on this see: the past 8 pages.

    We're still going at this, btw. We've got three strong plans of attack being initiated, all of which lead to masks.
  37. anonymous612 Member

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    TinyDancer, you missed the part where the city govt is made of asses who will actually bitch about sunglasses and a scarf.

    Excluding ACG.
  38. pwnon Member

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    Yup. The only thing that can help us now is public outcry. These are all elected officials. The citizens say DO WANT, the council complies. That's the fact of the matter. Unfortunately, the local websites require registration and approval for comments, so that's not happening. A nice raid would be good, but then we'd have to redirect the public's attention to our mask ordeal as well as Scientology. It's a headache when you're dealing with close minded assholes. Also, regardless of how bad it makes me look, Terry Wood can bend over and suck his own dick for all I care. Selective editing of your words to make us look bad in front of council is so fucking cheap.

    In short, Imminent Lawlessness is an unconstitutional way of viewing protests and should be banned from public office.
  39. TinyDancer Member

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    Sorry. Need to lurk even moar.

    How about a hat and sunglasses?
  40. Mutante Member

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    Anon Men's Sunglasses


    These would look good.


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