Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I think this will play alot beter if you stayed out of court for now.
I like what you said about not wasting the courts time, give us a few days
first. Of course I don't know the laws there, I heard 3 years but that seemed long to me?
She file a complaint with the police against you yesterday?

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I am with you all the way stu. I witnessed the thiefs assault on saturday i will go to court and i will give you all the financial backing i can. We need to set a precident that we will take them to court and that they CANNOT get away with their crimes.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Now I am a hot head so I am the last person to ask I would tell you to sue the pants off the asshats!!!

BUT let us consider that they have been using the courts for a LOOOONG time and know how to bend, twist, and use the courts to their favor most of the time. Even if you do manage to win and get your apology.. then Scientology would just turn around and plaster how you waste the courts time and peoples money on a frivolous case. It would turn into a win for them in their minds.

If would hand them on a silver platter more info about you they may not already have, and enough ammo for a huge black PR game against you. Now granted that would show the world just how nasty they are but still. .......

ok I think I will stop there...
*breathe breathe*
*big sigh and TRIES to chill*

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Thanks everyone for your input so far.

I'm listening, and taking note of everyone's points.

Maybe writing to them asking for an apology may be the way to go... and putting it along with my Data Protection Act request.

[GB2Lurking]

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Stu--please contact OT8Michael.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Stu is there a way for press to contact you?

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I almost agree. Let's remember, one day Vicky is going to be an embittered ex-Scientologist who might be standing among us in our demonstrations.

I think Stu should ignore other Anons, and make his own decision.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

The consensus so far seems to be a 'don't do it'. What everyone has said is true - they do not fuck around and will try and wreck you completely and utterly as you already know. They mean it - you are about the destroy their org via peaceful protest and they can't stop you - if you take it to the courts then you are tackling them on turf for which they are MUCH better equipped.

And no amount of publicity is worth ruining the lives of Stu or any Anon. We are doing enough damage as it is - don't take this to court!

Continue with the enturbulation!!!

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Sup Stu,

Great videos, also really well handled. I don't know what she was thinking when she took your signs, SURELY she knew that would be a bad idea?

x

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Chiming in to say I agree with the no suit idea. This is evidence of them escalating. DO find a way to have it all documented with officials, ie. the police. There should be a report with the police about them having to be called to get your signs back and you reporting that you were assaulted.

The reason for this is they are bound to take it further, and with the way you document your actions on video you'll get hard evidence, and then you can hit them with a much more surefire thing, backed up by official police reports and sworn affidavits that attest to a history of this kind of action. THAT is where you need to be at this stage in the game. Don't jump the gun and go straight to suit, start thinking big and focus on building a case.

If you haven't, check with the police and see if you can get a copy of the police report regarding the signs, or at least a file # you can hold onto. Also try and get an affidavit attached where you attest (under oath) to the events of the incident. Build that mountain of evidence, and then when it's a friggin Everest of sign thefts, assaults, and video recorded crimes...throw the fucking book at them.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Hi Stu
(Thx anon1957)
I was looking at this thread and the epic video.
I think your idea to ask a solicitor if you have a case is a good one. The UK justice system seems to work (unlike the USA one) and so your complaint might make headway. In any event you should ask for all the help you need so your stress level can be minimal.

The point I see is that she not only stole the signs and lashed out when you tried to stop her, but she has also caused hugely unnecessary emotional distress to a disabled person, maybe thereby putting your well being at risk to some significanr degree?

Good legal advice seems like a sensible thing.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Also, I forget what rule it is but it applies to Stu as well:

Anonymous is not anyone's personal army.

People can spend their time informing the public and enturbulating the cult, or they can spend it doing law research stuff. Most people don't have time to do both.

It would be one thing if the cult sued stu first, but this is waaaay different.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

For anyone (i.e. press) wanting to contact me, I can be contacted on +44 (0)7862 189507 - or stuwyatt-at-enturbulationDOTorg. But please try and keep as much of this to enturb only (PM's/threads) etc.

All I want from Vicky (and the corporation) is an apology. If we do not set the precedent now, then she (and they) will think they can do whatever they like - and that is not on.

I may need to sleep on it... and like I said, thanks for everyones point of view.

xxx

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

There is a difference between filing a complaint and taking someone to court. My advice would be to file complaints against Greg Boyce for hitting you a few months back, and also file complaints for all the times Vicky Boyce hit you or your camera, as well as todays incident.

In other words, make it be put on record that these things happened in case you need them officially recorded in future.

FYI: Vicky has a history of physical violence against staff members. My own son was attacked by her because he would not give her his mobile phone. She took the phone off him forcefully. The reason she wanted it was because she though he had been talking to his sister and myself - we were in the Orgs bad books. Disconnection forced on my son by her. She also verbally and psychologically abused both my son and my daughter while they were on staff.

I am not sure how we can file complaints about it from the USA as it was less than 3 years ago, but it's about time formal records of her and other staff member's abusive behaviour is made.

EDIT: sry, it was Viv Wheeler who took my son's mobile phone, not Vicky. Vicky did however verbally and psychologically abuse both my kids and as per scientology policy they were not allowed to tell me or anyone else except the ethics officer who did nothing about it.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

My advice (lots of good stuff already on this thread):

-Send a letter, but make sure you keep a copy and have a solicitor proofread it first because you need to be VERY careful about your wording in that letter.
-Get a good solicitor and notify them of what's been happening. Also because there may be a backlash to your letter. Don't file a suit/complaint unless the solicitor believes it is necessary and that you have enough to work with. If you haven't already, put together records/reports of all incidents you've had with Vicky or any other Plymouth org members (including videos or any other proof - including online harassment if you have any copies of it)
-Wait. I know you are a man of action, but wait. Wait and collect your thoughts, evidence, and resources.

SECOND EDIT: Write a personal statement as well about how this has affected you. Don't be afraid to talk about stress-induced relapses and such.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I can only speak for myself but I have been leaving an email address for them to reach me if they want your info, some might not, the video speaks volumes, and could be used on a late night show mabey, who knows? So many footbullets on one video.

Can someone confirm Vicky filed a complaint?

And that other guy with the death threat.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

People can spend their time anyway they want and are intelligent enough to decide if they want to spend it researching the law or enturbulating the cult for themselves.

personally I get a lot of good information, both legal and otherwise, with the links and posts in this forum. Including what to do about abuse situations like the one Stu has been receiving lately.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Bad idea is bad. I vote no.
It is off target, and potentially a money pit.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I think its swaying towards a big red NO for taking them to court.

I will file an official complaint with the police for this and other incidents - just in case it is needed further down the road. I will write to the org and St Hill....

Maybe someone could help me write a KR to send to them?

I will ask them for an apology.

I will also file my data protection act request....

But yeah - no civil lawsuit. Bad idea was bad... (for now).



xxx

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

wnat Cachopoal and Balognanon said.

I like the idea of collecting the evidence, visiting a solicitor and filing a complaint. That is a very different tack than to file a personal law suit.That way you are not opening yourself up to a fishing expedition deposition.

FWIW--I disagreed with Stu's decision not to file a complaint with the police the 1st couple of times they manhandled him. I had a feeling that it would only get worse if he didn't. Sociopaths are like that. They push and push and push until someone stops them.

Whenever you deal with law issues, you must develop the patience of a saint, because it is a sloooow, painstaking process.

One other thing you might want to check out with a solicitor...you don't want to end up in a situation in which you give the cult an excuse to file a restraining order or order of protection (whatever they are called there). Which could very well happen if you are to get into a litigious situation with them.

Another idea is to get in touch with the Woods, because they have been through it all with the cult and the courts.

The main thing Stu, is to make sure that whatever you do, it is in your LONG TERM best interests. Solicitors are good at looking at things like that.

& cachopoal, that is simply AWFUL about your son.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

OK, reading the different opinions here have sobered my RAGE up.

The best course of action might very well be to wait. Stu, if you need any help, contact me.

What's a KR? Bear in mind, English isn't my first language.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

a KR is a Knowledge Report, I think. It's what the scilons have to write about each other and send to their superiors stating anything that other scilons have done wrong.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

LOL. It is not English, it is scilon-speak for Knowlege Report. It is what the scilons write when they are getting ready to send someone else to ethics.

Stu needs help collating the information on everything that has been done to him into a doc. And he's got a lot to work with.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Sounds good stu. Get every significant incident documented with the police and keep copies and references with you. Single incidents of theft, common assault and battery might not be worth going into court for when the downstat can be had via YouTube and press, but if there is a pattern of abuse there might come a time in the future where you'll be glad you did document this in detail both on video and in official filings. It might even come to the prosecutor deciding to indict for criminal charges, and all you'll have to do would be to show up as a witness, or perhaps the record might be enough.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Glad to see you dropped the idea of a suit. My $0.02.. frivilous lawsuits are what they use. Getting people angry is what they do. Stay calm, and on target. They are trying to provoke you. Taking the signs may have been an attempt to get you to assault her: instant suit.

You'd have looked as bad as them.

Act at all times as if a camera was on you, and you'll be on the news tonight. Act decently, but excerise your legal right to protest. You better believe that anything else you do will be taken, spun, and misrepesented. It's a no-win situation. Best case: you get an apology. Worst case: every interview they do for TV from now on talks about a frivolous lawsuit which the judge threw out. Oh, and you get Fair Gamed.

Is it worth it? You're not on your own here: you are one of legion. Don't take it personally. They see it as an information war. They are correct. And the only way to win that is to stay on target: and peaceful.

How many people would think Ghandi was as groovified if he'd filed suit against everyone who gave him hassle? Relax, smile, and tell the agressor that you don't hate them, but that they should not hurt people or do wrongnessthings.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Good choice Stu, this decision will add more damage to
the video, when presented properly

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Can someone confirm Vicky filed a complaint?

I know I already asked but I need an answer?

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Stu, I hope you don't live alone. It's getting pretty nasty in your neck of the woods so you need to be really careful. Please don't do anymore raids alone. We love to see them but they just raised the bar a little too high.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I don't know if it was formally filed, but she did verbally complain that I was harassing her, driving like a lunatic trying to run her over etc. etc. etc. but I do not think anything was officially filed.

I will speak to a PC this week and ask for a face-to-face meeting to find out what complaints have been made against me... how many, when etc. and the details... and then make them officially aware of everything that has happened to date.

Get it on record, and wait for them to fuck up again... then reconsider all possibilities etc. etc. etc.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Thanks, and comments noted, but please - I'm a big boy and know what I'm doing, and know the risks involved. I really do appreciate everyone's concern though, but I've already explained my reasons for doing what I do. If my heart tells me to do something, then I do it.

[Edit] I live in a dodgy council estate with its own 'neighbourhood watch'. The locals like me, and know me, and they would be down on an OSA photographer/snoop/spy/burglar like a ton of bricks. My flat is overlooked from many angles, and to get to it, you have to go into a blocked corner. There is multi-cam cctv too - and you cant see any cameras apart from the one in the kitchen. I'm ok. I'm safe

Many of my neighbours do have things to hide, and would not like the cult hanging around... and they are a lot less diplomatic and passive with people than I.


xxx

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Thanks for the update, just need all my facts straight, for my emails.
You know reporters, one thing out of whack and they might drop it, if they
don't want to do the research themselves.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Ok Stu, good to hear you have a lot of security.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Stu: I hereby dub thee:

Epic Win Man and the WinMobile... ;-)

Freshly installed with OVAR NINE THOUSAND INTERBUTTZ

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Seriously, don't go with a lawsuit just yet. Lawyers seem to be their one remaining strength, and sun tzu blahblahblah. Collect your evidence, get a solicitor (citizens advice bureau might be able to help you there, otherwise most places the first hour is free or very cheap) and register complaints, one for each incident. Then just keep doing what you do best

Just be careful. It's getting painfully obvious that they are getting pretty desperate worldwide (assault/battery/death threats), and thanks to your valiant efforts, plymouth org especially. Stay on your toes and keep that camera handy.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Just thought I would post this here, Dawn Olsen has been kickin some
serious ass, and bringing us a lot of good info through her interviews.
Feel free to stop on by and say "Hi"

Scientology Org Leader In Plymouth, UK Steals Protest Signs
GlossLip Scientology Org Leader In Plymouth, UK Steals Protest Signs

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

L. Fraud, have you ever noticed that you are the only one here who uses a fuckton of colored text every single time? Do you think you are the only one who knows how? Do you think it makes your posts easier to read or harder? Does it make you feel special?

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I am very worried about you being out there alone Stu. We tell that to everyone. Don't go alone, don't enter the org.

What if someone came up behind you and clobbered you? It wouldn't be on video, and they could claim ignorance. There are SO many possibilities. It is not worth it Stu. You are not invincible, none of us are. We are ordinairy fallible humans, not thetans.

Please take extra precautions. The org is not going to collapse overnight--you need to protect your strength and your life.

Please, pretty please with delicious cake?

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

Which is why he has a motorized cart to haul them around.

I'm with ya Stu, whatever course of action you decide to take.

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

The 10 or so builders who were watching me from the flats opposite had my back. Some I think were videoing from their mobiles... (they are aware about our protests against the cult)...

Re: Plymouth (UK): Head Scientologist STOLE our signs - the smell of footbullet.

I knew you'd have an answer! ;-)

[but still...I want you to be safe]