Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I'm Sean's sister and having just recently learned what's been happening to him I'm comforted and certainly more confident now that I've been reading the moral support that Sean is getting from you all, as I know he is.

I did some reading/researching of my own about the COS and am probably more concerned and worried now that I have learned just how corrupt, powerful and evil this organization/cult really is and that they are protected and secured by falling under a vast umbrella by calling itself a 'church'.

http://www.scientology-lies.com/whypicket.html

http://www.spaink.net/cos/mpoulter/worst.html

The word 'church' mollifies and appeases most people because of its ethos and that it offers a place of 'safety, sanctuary and peace', and so when people do not uniformly or willingly fall into its 'outspread arms', reaching out to touch and heal and protect, they are then going to attempt to make an example of those such people, and also do it in the name of their God, (whoever/whatever that may be). In this case their 'example' is my brother and I'm afraid/worried for him.

The COS is dangerous and it's even more dangerous because it's protected.

The very fact that Sean has a huge support network is a comfort and I thank you all for being in his corner. Please stay there.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Sean will be eating delicious victory cake before he knows it, and then we can go back to bringing these bastards down. Just watch.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

We need to get Shawn to SP9 level!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Not going anywhere Tanya. That being said let me tell you about my experience at my arraignment. I was busted and received a ticket for skateboarding. I went to court for my arraignment. Our charges were changed to a charge which included a fine and possible jail time! I was told that was fairly normal. The charges are not binding until the day of the arraignment. Then the judge found out I had a private attorney and threw the charges out. She didn't want to calender frivolous charges.

However our courtroom does not allow cameras. Didn't then and doesn't to this day. So check out the rules at LA County court before you piss off the judge. I don't believe they do without permits ahead of time (IE: court tv)

Also some of the bailiffs are real sticklers, especially in Southern California. No chewing gum, no ipods, no cellphones. None of that. Sit up straight even if you will be called last at the end of the day like I was. We were chastised for whispering.

Although there is no jury, many judges and bailiffs still frown upon wearing anything that will ID spectators with the victim or party charged. If you wear a kitten pin, I recommend it be small and inconspicuous. For this reason I recommend all attending do not all wear the same pin from a template.

I am anonymous

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

OKAY:

I just got off the phone with the LAPD Special Events Division, LA Information Hotline, Los Angeles Superior Court, and a number of other operators with thick ghetto accents and have some info for those interested in supporting Sean on the 9th.

Simply put, the demonstration out on the street is no problem as long as we keep it small. No permit will be required if it's under 50 people, and all the normal LA rules for demonstrations apply, so not a ton of noise and masks are ok.

The officer I spoke to is going to double check with the courthouse in case they have a private event scheduled, but apparently a courthouse private event happens once every 75 million years (the last one was during the Xenu story) so we should be ok. She said she'd call me ("Kevin Johnson"... any LOST fans here?) back if she finds out any different than what she told me.

As for Cameras during the arraignment:

It is totally up to the Judge - the guy I spoke to in Central Arraignment says that the judges in his district all allow them, but given that there is NO general information division at the Clara Shortridge CJC, where Sean's hearing is being held, it's impossible to know if the same thing will apply.

i am woll smoth i am broadcasting updates on all a.m. frequencies.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I think it would be fair to say, then, that while Sean eats his 'victory cake' the COS will be eating large amounts of humble pie.

Thanks for the reassurance ... it's good to know that Sean has some good, good people in his corner that genuinely care about what happens to him. There are obviously some very profound feelings for Sean's 'battle' which evoke feelings of great pathos and empathy which sure gives me comfort and reassurance.

I know Sean is gaining a great deal of moral support and strength from you all which you bring to him, via your postings, etc. and at this very delicate and emotive time it doesn't need to be said how important it is to keep his morale boosted ... thank you all for your continued support for him. If it touches me, I can't begin to imagine how much it means to him.

Thank you all.

Tanya x

PS: Sean has always been a big cat lover and I can't imagine the pain he must be feeling about his cat; Feral or domesticated makes no difference, Sean loved it and cared for it, and in turn it related to him and trusted in him. It was his cat.
I hope the bastards that killed his cat choke on their humble pie when they are forced to eat it.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

The camera thing is a double edged sword. If we are going to have people try and pretend to be law students doing case studies on the inside they could get their pictures taken or they give themselves away if they are taking them. The tension would be crazy if everyone's required to dress formally. I don't know if fake beards would be allowed.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Matters how good they are :flowers:

I don't fear the cameras - I'm probably on their blacklist already.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Hey guise...just poking my head in to let you know I'm still lurking. Thanks for the continued support. And especially much love to Tanya for signing up. I won't be online as much as I'd like until the arraignment since I've been advised to use Internets cafes etc rather than my (prolly compromised) compy. I'm being stalked and photographed by local COSfags who have a 'mission' around the corner -walking distance- and have had to take extensive precautions to secure my apartment from break-in attempts. I've also been told to assume my phone is tapped and to check my garden daily for attempts to plant (ouch) marijuana as they've done to critics before.

TL;DR? They say Fair Game was cancelled; this is bullshit. Maybe they can't afford such heavy handed things as pulling a Paulette Cooper on me, but they are trying to gaslight me and/or just make my life as miserable as possible without actually getting up in my face.

Fuck them. This just makes my e-pen0r harder. However, I must say, I was not expecting this much James Bond shit (I've got my house rigged like 007) and you should all know that this is not a joke. They're batshit insane and think they're the Stasi. It's un-fucking-believable that the American government allows it's citizens to be abused by a Secret Police not under their control.

Anyway, I'll pop back in now and again but to get on the mailing list for the Anon supporting Anon at court...

email: hitsut@gmail.com

Much love to all.

R.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Sean -

I understand wanting to take as many precautions as possible, these guys have no limits. Stay on your A-Game and don't let these assholes get to you... We're gonna have the last laugh before we know it.

I just got off the phone with Sergeant Anderson of the LAPD, she was extremely helpful with regards to demonstrating outside of the CJC building on the 9th, but wanted to add a few things:

Demonstrating is OKAY on the Temple St. side, but the Spring St. side is off limits - there are a lot of buses coming and going from that side and the courthouse does not want any sort of congestion or rubbernecking in that area. I imagine a few people handing out flyers (perhaps for Operation Reconnect) would be good, just as long as you don't get in the way.

As for the few (she says less than 10... preferably 5) people that would be in the courtroom, standard civilian dress only! Not only will there be waiting involved before the bailiff calls Sean's case, but we don't want to stand out like sore thumbs. If possible, someone with either a small video camera or audio recorder would be awesome, especially if his case gets kicked at Summary Judgement.

Band of /b/rothers unite!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Hmm how much are those hidden investigation cameras you put in neckties etc?

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

'Bout a hundred bucks off of Ebay. Too rich for my blood.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Sean;

Computer stuffs!

Use the wonderful restore CD/DVD to wipe to a clean slate or use the CD to reinstall and such.

Make sure there are no extra pieces of hardware added to the cables or inside the computer.(If you know what is supposed to be in there.)

I can help you out more with locating phone taps and other general spy related technical things if you need it.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

sean you have my support. as an individual i promise never to rest till the COS is destoryed!!! man the shit they have done to you is fuked up! it just makes me angry! \

we will not forgive..
we will never forget!
RIP mudkips!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Could we get a title edit on this thread to get interest in a mini demonstration?

I'm really curious to know who would be interested in coming out and showing support for Sean on the 9th... Mainly because LAPD wants some guesstimates on the number of people being there by next Wednesday.

If you want info, read the last two pages of this thread, or PM me and we can talk.

Also, who runs the hitsut@gmail.com mailing list? I'd like to talk to them about getting a message out.

-M

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I will not be popular after posting this.

I don't think its smart to demonstrate at Sean's arraignment. It's not good for Sean, and it's not good for Anonymous.

1) These charges are being brought by the State, not Scientology. As far as I know, this has little to do with Scientology (although they likely filed the original complaint and were the target of the alleged threat), and nothing to do with Anonymous. The charge is for making illegal threats. If Anonymous shows up masked, it will make him look even more threatening to a judge. Think about it: he's not alone, and he's got a scary-looking posse with him. Graham will have an easier time defending him if Anonymous is not there.

2) Scientology tried and failed twice to get an injunction against Anonymous' protests. Right now, Scientology's claims of "threats" against them is weak, and there is no proof that the alleged threats are linked to Anonymous. If Sean is charged and convicted, Scientology will go to a judge and say "this man is one of Anonymous' leaders, and he was convicted of making threats against us." Proof that he is associated with Anon? They will have photos of Anonymous outside the courthouse with Sean's name on their signs. A sleepy judge WILL grant an injunction. ie. NO MORE PROTESTS.

I've met Sean, and I think he's a great guy. I'm behind him 100% and wish the best for him. However, I think I can best support him by laying low and letting his defense speak for itself. Sean knows we support him, and there is no reason to muddy the waters by dragging Anonymous and Scientology into this more than necessary.

Thanks for listening.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

yeah

this

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

THIS.

Now that I've said this, go back up and start reading Dilbert again.

Support Sean. Just don't end up doing anything that could even potentially backfire in any way.

Sean, you're a cool guy (doesn't afraid of anything eh? In ur irc folowin US home invasion and self defence laws, constructin additional anon-support) and Anonymous supports you in your struggle, but there are unfortunately a few things to watch for. Dilbert seems to know what they are.

If you do want to go, I suggest you go unmasked as Sean's friends. Blend with the crowd. Otherwise we risk looking bad in the judicial system's eyes, especially if this is a federal complaint and not a scientology complaint and we bring our "scientoology is tool" posters.

Support Sean. Just don't hurt yourself doing it.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Eh, you're acknowledging that you have a different opinion from the general consensus, and doing it rather respectfully, so I don't see a reason to make you feel unpopular. Anonymous is supposed to be about ideas anyway, not personalities.

Here's my opinion as to why I think a mini-protest is actually a good idea, if done *correctly*.

First, the protest part is strictly an outside-the-courthouse affair. No anons will try (nor would they be allowed) to enter the building. The group needs to be kept small and manageable, with just enough people to actually show a "group" identity.

Some people will go inside with Sean, but as has been discussed, this will only be a few of his close friends, who are already known (ie, no longer anonymous). So as far as the court is concerned, there will be no difference than any other case where a defendant is accompanied by his friends or family into court.

Outside, the demonstration should be highly focused on the issue of Fair Game. All the picket signs should refer to Fair Game, as well as the leaflets they pass out.

This is actually a FANTASTIC marketing opportunity. You'll have all kinds of law enforcement, lawyers, clerks, judges, etc, seeing this protest. If they keep it friendly, and interact with the public professionally, they have a chance to reach a new audience of people that can be educated about CoS "Fair Game" policy, and maybe do some more research on their own.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

BUMP BUMP BUMP.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I understand why would be against protesting, and in fact, a lot of the worries are probably shared by others including me.

However, as a nonanon-Anonymous supporter, it might actually look kind of bad not showing up. Especially to those who do protest, but are not necessarily as deep into discussion as the members here are, and therefore cannot see how the logic train ends wherever it goes.

The Anonymous that participates in this claim to be 1. legion and 2. standing as one. The numbers are a strong source strength, in activism and the need to feel safe. If all of a sudden one Anonymous is arrested and goes to court for obviously frivolous crimes, and then no one comes out to support him in crunch time, how are people on the outside going to see this. Imagine the spin CoS members would put on this.

But I feel the trainwreck of a PR move is outweighed by the fact that there is a perceived lack of “moral support.” That I know that we all have the best of intentions when we/individuals decide not to go, but there’s something to the visual of seeing the people that have your back. This is, in fact, less about CoS being corrupt fairgaming bastards who are using legal tactics to intimidate and cause emotional distress on individuals of dissenters, and more about the fact that we need to see each other through this.

Though a protest of masks might not necessarily be the best way to go through this, but definitely going to the courthouse and just showing up as visible signs of encouragement is something that has to be done.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

This hits the nail on the head.

Dilbert, I understand your concern about foot shooting with regards to Sean and his case, but if done properly we would not influence the case at all, and this could be a great opportunity to not only show the world that fair game (in some form, such as trumped up threat charges) exists, but to show EVERYONE that anon is not the evil terrorist bastards that the 'church' would like to portray us as - "He ain't heavy, he's my /b/rother" can spark some powerful supporting emotions, and the courthouse is a high traffic area with a lot of important people.

Masked (or not, perhaps this would be a good civilian-incognito event) protesters would be outside the court - away from the courtyard of the building, so chances are the judges will not even be aware of it.

The few people in the courtroom would look like the many other people waiting for the bailiff to call their case, it would be totally inconspicuous and I doubt anyone would pay any attention to them at all... I think we can all agree that if we were in the same situation, we'd want some support there with us as well - it can only serve to give Sean a little peace of mind.

Also, as I said earlier, one of our greatest advantages is being a group of truly alive and emotional people against the cold robot that is the church - sticking with our people when they need it is just another way to reinforce that idea in the publics eye.

In the end, it's up to Sean, but I think it's a great idea and a fantastic PR move.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

This is not Fair Game -- well, it is and it isn't.

This is a long-term program run by OSA and the lawyers to link Anonymous with making threats. OSA will spend years compiling data to use in court cases -- why hand them exactly the kind of evidence they are looking for?

Yes, OSA bumbles frequently and often shoots themselves in the foot. The laywers for the church, however, are brilliant. They got Keith Henson convicted and put in jail, and we all know how trumped up those charges were. It don't think it's wise for Anonymous to make an appearance at Sean's arraignment.

Sean is lucky this time that he's only up against the State. The State is interested in Justice. Co$ wants to destroy people.

I think it would be a nice show of support for people to come without masks.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I [second/third/fourth/fifth/whatever] Dilbert said.

Once something moves into the courts, there is a great risk that, no matter what our intentions are by protesting outside of a courthouse, they may be misconstrued as protesting against the legal process, not Scientology.

Guess who gave themselves a massive footbullet by doing this in the past? SCIENTOLOGISTS. If I recall correctly, in 1985 the CoS put 1,500 protesters outside of an Oregon courthouse and the press made them look like asshats.

Let the legal wheels turn. There are lot of other, more effective things we can be doing to support Sean right now. Things that don't risk blowback.

Wait for Sean to tell us what his ATTORNEY thinks about doing things like this at the very least.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

imo, if there's any reason to be at Sean's arraignment, it would be for this.

handing out flyers, talking about Sean's case. Low key.
Lawyers, clerks, Joe Public has every right to know they're being played for fools and tools for CoS to destroy lives.

We're there to support Sean (as non-anon) and educate the world what it could be like under the tyranny of CoS

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Much less than that. And in the end, they managed to beat down a $39 million judgement against CoS and Hubbard himself.

Church of Scientology Loses $39 Million in Fraud Lawsuit May 18, 1985, AP, New York Times
Scientology Church Protest Draws Hundreds to Oregon May 20, 1985, AP, New York Times

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Look, the state is not our enemy here, Scientology is. All we need to do is make it clear we aren't opposed to the legal system any more than we would be opposed to automobiles because scientologists use them to run people down.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Instead of calling it a protest, think of it as a support rally. Keep it low key like someone mentioned above and just by virtue of being there you can show your support. A few informational fliers would be beneficial I think, but it may be wise to leave the picket signs at home or just maybe having a small sign that says: Sean is not a terrorist.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Agreed, the State is not our enemy -- but the State is bringing charges against Sean, not Scientology.

I have no problem supporting Sean in ways that don't involve Anonymous. Once people show up in masks, OSA will seize the opportunity to link Sean, accused of making criminal threats, to Anonymous. They will then be able to make a case to have an injunction served against Anonymous.

Plus, it won't help Sean legally to have us there, and it may harm his case. You can do what you want, but I think asking Graham is a good first step.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Look, there's a very practical reason for the masks. The people who are going to be on the inside should not obviously, but for those of us outside it's a matter of staying off their radar. Even if we show up unmasked they are going to spin it however the hell they want so let's stop worrying about that and do what we do

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

its up to sean and grah berry to call the shots here.

this is ultimately about an individual. his name is sean

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

You can show up wearing a mask but you will be doing it for yourself, not for Sean and not for Anonymous. Both stand a very good chance of being harmed by even the tiniest show of Anonymous at this arraignment.

This is a serious business. Masks make for a good show with the public, but lawyers and judges do not take kindly to "shows." And OSA WILL USE THIS AGAINST US.

Please, please talk to Graham before you show up wearing a mask.

If you can be there without a mask and blend in with the crowd, do it. If not, my advice is to not be there.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

ALL CAPS FOR EMPHASIS.


NOT ONLY IS THIS ULTIMATELY ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL.

BUT SEEING AS CO$ ARE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO GET THE COURTS TO VIEW SEAN AS THE FINAL BOSS OF THE INTERNET TERRORIST GROUP ANONYMOUS, AND IMPLICATE HIM IN THE SUPPOSED/BULLSHIT "CRIMES" OF THE GROUP ANONYMOUS. IT COULD ACTUALLY HARM HIS CASE TO GO FULL FORCE ANON SUPPORT.



this should be a business like srs business affair. namefagged / non-anons and cos old guard only ... who are quite capable of leafleting and raising "awareness" of what is going on.

THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR A FULL FORCE ROCK AND ROLL ABSURD CIRCUS. MUCH AS IT IS TEMPTING

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I would say that if you go, show up in respectable clothing as a normal person ( hence no masks ) and observe proper manners. No one needs to know why you are there cept Sean to know he has our support. I can't attend since I don't live anywhere near there, but I hope anyone that does won't cause Sean embarrassment.

Do NOT protest / flyer the courthouse, thats just plain stupid, where you protest is what you are protesting, if you want to protest, go protest the church's main building, not the freaking courthouse!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

This.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

no matter how strongly people feel about this. it isn't anon's business. its sean's

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

What does his lawyer say? If the mouthpiece says it's a bad idea, that should be it, end of discussion.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

We are leaving it up to Graham and I will get an opinion from him asap.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Chances are his lawyer won't tell you shit about how to behave.

I would highly advise against masks in the courtroom and would highly advise against a "protest". A gathering to show support outside? Yep that sounds cool.

Remember don't be an ass tard this is some one's potential freedom and future you are talking about. Truth is on his side but don't make life any more difficult than it already is.

He's got a lawyer, he has all my personal <3 that this works out and I'm sure most every ones. So let this take it's own course.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

i agree with everything else you said except the above.