Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I could not disagree with you more -and I think you've maybe misread the whole reason why Anonymous is being so successful to date - but I have a further suggestion in any case:

There should be no reason why anon's can't in this thread propose or advocate for what THEY think is appropriate - but it's totally up to Sean, a few days beforehand, after listening to advice here and from his IRL advisers, to let Anon know what he thinks will be most effective, both for himself AND in the bigger picture.

We should not be putting pressure on him to make a call now - but we should be looking to him for his recommendation near the day.

Every time we protest, they attempt to use it against us. Every thing we do, regardless of anything and everything, they will try to use it against us somehow. Just because they might try and use ANYTHING against us, should not stop ANONYMOUS from doing what it should. A large part of our strength lies in LETTING the CoS try their worst - over and over and over again - and watching them fail over and over and over again. We need to be very very careful before we decide to give up basic rights and NOT take some entirely legal action just because it might POSSIBLY get twisted and used SUCCESSFULLY against us.

Sure, know our enemy and their strengths, but know ours equally - it is our numbers multiplied by our anonymity. To suggest fading into the background from fear of it 'being used against us' is not what Anonymous does - the more they try, the more we WIN and they FAIL. Let 'em try.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Skydiver on Patrol! Ready for Action in earths Atmosphere!

Purple Hair is teh sexy

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Problem is that if we don't show up, I know THEY will. I don't want him coming out of that court being greeted by a bunch of screaming Scifis with tears in his eyes.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Kay, I've pretty much said all I have to say but some of you still aren't getting it. OSA is playing this seriously, but for you it's a costume party. Sean even said he'd rather go it alone, but in spite of his wishes you want to get dressed up and rally anyway. I don't know how many different ways I can say "don't step over that cliff, you'll hurt yourself" but you keep saying,

"The cliff wants me to so it's ok."
"The wind will keep me from falling."
"There are guys at the bottom who will catch me."
"I don't weigh that much, I'll land like a feather."
"My anti-gravity boots will protect me."

You'll probably land on Sean in the process.

At the very least, wait until Sean's lawyer tells you if this is a good idea or not.

Jesus.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I agree with Perkins FWIW. Co$ plays a ruthless form of reality distortion with the legal system. They go for the throat every time. A smart Anon will be guided by Sean's lawfags strategy and support his wishes.

Plus Sean is a big boi. He can handle court without a cheering section.

Also I've seen court cases used to dissipate and re-direct the energy and attention of activists away from the SRS BSNS they should be taking care of. Real help for Sean will come from his legal team and the discrediting of Co$. Our energy and attention is required for the latter.

My .02

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Oh hai...just popping in from watching Horatio Caine (takes sunglasses off) still looking for meme tiem (puts sunglasses on).

Hmmm...lets not make this a big deal and argue amongst ourselves. This only distracts from the big picture: ending the CO$ reign of terror.

I spoke with Graham and he's in two minds about it. It's obviously a great op for OSA to infiltrate and troll and it's also potential great publicity for Anon and a great big black eye to COS.

All in all, I'm inclined to go it alone at this point. If the DA wants this to go to a jury then bring on King Leonidas and the 300 cos it's gonna be a farce.

I truly, truly appreciate the arguments for a 'vigil' -and all the love and support- but Graham thinks it may be best to save it should we go to trial.

The DA will most likely try and plea me down to a misdemeanour of some sort to save face for actually bringing it to arraignment before the judge hears it. I dunno if I want that, but will take one for the team since Gregg from Boston (served by COS and not the State) prolly needs Graham moar.

If they offer me a shitty deal howevar, I will fight this to the Supreme Court if necessary.

Mainly, I just want want this part of the story to be over so I can get on with looking for a fucking job which will, in turn, enable me to keep fighting the Evil Empire.

Mine is just the start of all the frivolous lolsuits that will surely come. Let's sit back and see how things play out and form a battle plan around it.

Like the church of Placentafags say: Attack > defence. This is chess. To me... patience is a form of attack.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I agree. Masks scare people, especially the types that have those sinister, 'expressions'.
Something 'softer', more innocuous and less formidable is probably a good idea?
'Disguises' that consist of wigs, glasses, fake beards, etc. are an effective way of remaining anonymous, if indeed that is the main reason for anonymity, which I sure hope it is, especially on April 9th when my brother's arraignment is scheduled.
To wear (intimidating) masks (on that day) will do nothing for Sean's defense because his character will then be scrutinized and dissected ('guilty by association' sot of thing)

The idea of wearing masks/disguises for the purpose of intimidation isn't really a good one anyway, particularly when someone's life/freedom is at stake. The idea of wearing masks to ensure anonymity, while peacefully showing group support in the form of physical presence is a great idea, IF it is done in a non-challenging, non-confrontational manner, ('scary' masks are generally seen as a challenge and also as an intimidation tactic)

Just my personal opinion of course, and perhaps I'm wrong, but right now I'm really concerned about Sean/his future and so I'm thinking in general terms. If I've got it wrong, then I'm sorry, but as an 'activist' myself, albeit for a different cause (my main ones being animal rights/animal welfare/banning animal 'sports', banning animal testing, etc) I do know a little about what gets people fired up the wrong way and how it hinders the cause rather than helps it. That said, I'm on this ship now as well, and my 'activism' has spread and widened to help expose the Church of Scientology/ Corruptology for what it is, what it isn't and what it purports to be (while actually being the very antithesis of that)


By the way, I came across this while doing some research and it's worth reading:
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/judge_tampering.html

Also this one:
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/stories/activists/meetjesse.htm

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Risk of falling on Sean - that is an abolute consideration. Making it blindly obvious to the CoS, the Public, and to all Anon that we are legion, and if one falls ten more will rise up, is WIN. Any alternative is FAIL.

This shows just how totally you don't get it. I may fall and land smashed up at the bottom. and I am me, and I weigh the risk - I am Anon, and I am legion - ahh bollocks, I can't really be bothered trying to explain, but that list just proves that it's not that we don't get what you are trying to say. Lurk moar.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Please don't. If you do, they win. They will point out that you were convicted. They will prove that they can win in the legal system.

I know that Graham is a limited resource and he knows this game better than any of us, but if they can get you to plea bargain, then they will just pile more and more lawsuits up to overwhelm Graham. I'll put my money were my mouth is, and get some gold to you by Tuesday.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Arraignment, we shall fight in the civil and criminal courts, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend our rights, whatever the cost may be; we shall never surrender.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Ultimately this is up to you and Graham. But you already knew that.

I just wanna say: The DA's face is not yours to save: he filed, he can get the wrath of Judge.

As for Gregg, yeah, there is only one of Graham. (Can he even work in Massachusetts?)
In the unlikely event that your case moves past arraignment I really hope the ACLU photo on the internet and the NRA photo of guns can find a way to work together and take a lateral pass from Graham.

If Gregg's case moves past his first hearing it will also be the DAs case, not the CoS

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Alright, I can support sitting this one out and waiting to see how the prosecution proceeds. But again I was never in it for lulz to begin with. I wanted to be there because I don't want to be there

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Our light bickering is our way of caring out this. We present ideas and debate them. It is who we are and is a sign that we are free thinkers. But we all support your brother, and will stand behind him regardless of how he decides to fight this battle. Its easy for us to direct fire from 10 miles behind the lines, but your brother is the one in the muck and mud slugging it out.

Regardless of how Sean's battle goes, the Co$ will eventually be forced to stop these tactics. But it is only through our victories in the court system that they will learn they can't abuse the law. While I want the best for Sean, there is a hard battle ahead. We're here and we support you.

Somehow, I think picking on a punk Limey wasn't the smartest move the Co$ could have made

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I didn't mean to be offensive about my 'bickering' comment (note I did say "for want of a better word")
I can see how productive the thought processes are on here and the reasons why/how most things go down on this (impressive) forum.

Sometimes words written/typed often get misconstrued or misinterpreted. In my case, I apologize for any offense I may have caused. None was intended. I guess I'm just real concerned for Sean and I write/type as I think. He'll be OK .. he's strong, he has conviction and he has a whole bunch of people rooting for him, but we all have our low days and we all days when our tolerance gets slightly off kilter. It's those moments that I worry/care about (for) him the most.

Picking on that 'punk Limey, Sean, wasn't the smartest move the Co$ SHOULD have made. He's way too smart and been around the (proverbial) block way too many times for them to knock him down or push him around.
I know what he's made of ..... they have no idea! :wink:

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Rorschach,

People are charged and arrested every day in situations where they haven't even arguably committed a crime. The post important thing for you right now is to do everything in your power to not get overly despondent over this.

Indeed, from what I have heard about your actions, the charging papers may be drafted up in very funky fashion. There is at least a chance a quick opportunity can be taken to get the charges dismissed.

The DA may have been under constant pressure by the CoS to make some sort of arrest of somebody. You, my friend, may be the scapegoat. I smell weakness in their position. Keep me informed.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Sorry for not lurking moar. If gold is sought for Sean's defense, please post the method/fund. Hanks.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Please don't plea bargain. You've done nothing wrong.

If we brought charges against them, would they plea bargain?

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I say any one who wants to show up, clown wigs, clown makeup.

Not scary and it has a certain irony to it. The clowns should stay outside. If you don't mind being namedfagged (why you wouldn't mind is beyond me) then yep head into the courtroom.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I would not pass judgement on Shawn should he. This is his future and his freedom. He should do what is best for him. No sacrificial lambs.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Sean - I think a good deal of the bickering here comes from a twinge of responsibility (you're anon, we're anon, yet you're the one getting indicted here) and a lot of feelings of being powerless to help you.

Regardless if there is a demonstration on the 9th or not, you know we've got your back.

After speaking with my uncle/attorney, I agree with Dilbert on the idea of anon showing up at the courthouse in Sean's defense - while it would be a great PR move, its outweighed by the possibility that an OSA plant could start some serious shit on court property, or even worse, link us to obstruction of justice, which would be cause for restraining orders on future protests.

HOWEVER, I do think a small vigil in Sean's support in the days preceding the arraignment would be a good show of support, as well as a chance to show that anonymous is a caring entity that supports its own.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Regarding the NRA: anyone know how much influence DM has on the NRA? I know he's a member, and considering he pulls a lot of strings I wonder if any of those strings are connected to the NRA...

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Hi there, MCA: Tanya, Sean's sister here!
I just felt I had to respond to portion of your post that addressed the "bickering" comment that I had made earlier.

I must tell you that Sean in no way made any comment to me at all about the bickering I referred to in my earlier post and I take full responsibility for it, although having said that, I do want you (and everyone else on here that care about Sean and who are trying to help him) to know that I meant nothing negative with regards to that comment, however I do fully admit culpability for it (in hindsight) and that it was a poor choice of words. I feel that I might have (indirectly) offended some of you and that is absolutely not what I intended to happen.

What I was trying to say (albeit poorly) was that while it is really necessary and positive for opinions and strategies to be discussed and shared in order to help Sean with his very serious problem/s, it can sometimes have a side-effect where the 'argument' (figuratively speaking) becomes the focal point instead of the reason for the argument.

I just wanted to clarify that Sean didn't have anything to do with the "bickering" comment.
He chooses his words with much more care than I do while being totally candid, open and absolutely honest. He is a person who has had many obstacles and hurdles to get over during his lifetime which in turn has given him amazing strength of character and dogged determination to see that the right thing is done, no matter what.

He'll be OK, that I'm sure of (at least that's what I have to keep telling myself) and with the support that you all have demonstrated, how could he not be OK?

I added this link before in one of my posts, but for those of you who may have missed it I'm including it again. It's worth reading.
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/judge_tampering.html

Thank you all, and again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with the 'bickering' comment. :wink: Just know it wasn't Sean's comment!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

SEAN SAID:

PAY ATTENTION.

This is HIS deal -- not YOURS. If he says he'd prefer to go alone at this point, honor his request. If he says bring on the Legion -- well, you know what to do.

Anyone that shows up after he's said not to is an [pick an epithet].

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

How about a compromise. Nobody shows up in costume, but anybody with a point and shoot camera should hang around outside in plainclothes, just to document if anything goes on

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Haha I didn't mean anything negative by it, and I know it was you that posted it... However there has been bickering (not necessarily a bad thing, it's good to have different opinions) in this thread and I just wanted to address it... Just happened to put your bro's name before the post. :examine:

...I'm firing my vast army of secretaries and editors first of the week for not catching that!

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Oh hai guise.

I will attempt to answer a few diffy posts in today's (halftime) pop-in. But first:

I just got off the phone with Magoo and she also thinks a 'vigil' is a bad idea for several reasons. OSA is on this board and -I'm sure- in this thread (subtlety? in my OSA? it's moar likely than you think).

They will be looking not only to infiltrate and instigate to make Anon look bad -like their troll hate_machine who popped into this thread a few pages back (since banned)- but make me look bad by association.

They will also be looking for your license plates and taking pix and trying to out moar Anons. This is easier to do when Anon isn't >9,000 strong as we will be on 4/12 (which I will attend). I found this out the hard way when we did a 10 man flashmob protest on the emergency OSA "Anonymous Problem" meetings on 3/11. The cop who grilled me had a nice album of OSA provided pix of yours truly which pretty much showed everything except which side I dress (they did, howevar, have a nice shot of my crabbing my crotch and flipping the photographer the bird).

Also, this is going to be a relatively short procedural hearing. Depending on where my name is on the list, it will be over and done in 10-15 minutes. Graham will finally be able to get the 'discovery' file on what the charges actually stem from and by whom and we will decide a course of action from there.

I love you all for the love and support, but you may not have anything to actually 'celebrate' afterwards. It's a toss-up: I get pled out and leave with a misdemeanour (I don't give a shit), I get a trial date set (I put my life on hold for x amount of time) or it gets tossed (which will depend moar on what kind of bloke the judge is and the day he's having rather than the charges).

In the meantime, Graham has a call set up on Tuesday with the Major Case detective who interrogated me to asses my situation and how seriously LAPD are taking me as CO$'s Osama bin Anon, so I may at least have a clue why I'm actually being charged.

I think the best way you can support me atm, is by helping me out with my expenses even if it's only the $4 you'll be saving in gas money to downtown (and $15 in parking...that scare you off? lol). PM me for details.

And if any of you own a business and are hiring, I could really use a job. Despite what teh google says...I am not an extremist terrorist.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

PM me plox.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I just got off the phone with a lawyer in the US State Dept who's a friend of the family and after telling him everything, he said that given the facts the state's case is "rather weak" unless they have something on me I don't know about. I'll prolly walk with a stern warning to stay out of trouble for x amount of months under penalty of being hauled back into court if I don't (he couldn't remember the legal term used in CA for this).

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

In Boston thats a QWOAF "Continue Without A Finding". Where they pretty much put your case on indefinite hiatus until they find something to charge you with again.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I command you to go to the watering hole of your choice the night before, and have a pint or two for me. I will feel it in the Universal Liver.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Even if you were being charged as an Al Qaeda operative, I think it's 50-50 you'll get some America hating activist judge so we're still good.

But like I said, I think we should have at least one or two volunteers in plainclothes (NICE plain clothes) with point and shoot cameras tucked away in case the OSA decides to go ahead if they think they can win by default so to speak, because we never took to the field.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

The thing is, I may very well have broken a marginal law that I'm not aware of (posting gun pics? something I said in IRC taken out of context?) so pleading out would not be a win for them, it would be justice being served. You know what they say, ignorantia juris non excusat.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I think the LA Times is coming so they will bear witness.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I will be tomorrow lol.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

What the heck does this do? Why put up a pair of Anons who could then get themselves hauled into court if they get made by the scilons? This does nothing, if they go with masks they might get in trouble with the court, if they go without masks and protest in support they get fairgamed. This is plain stupid. There is no win to be had there.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Okay nobody show up at all

Do it

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

Look now, having 'dangerous terrorist' on you CV still isn't enough to make you leader, sorry

However, I'm anyones bitch, and so will do as you say anyhow... Good luck etc.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

I'm down. :mrgreen:

The Coach and Horses on Sunset, anyone?

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

THIS.

I'm anyones bitch also.

See y'all at the Hoach and Corses.

Sean expect PM shortly re golden gold of highest purity and fineness.

Re: Outed in Scilon video, arrested 3/15 in LA, Sean Carasov

As we say on /b/ (for those of other persuasions): I LIKE WHERE THIS THREAD IS GOING!

Fuck this shit...let's celebrate it! Like in Nawlins when someone dies (gulp). Now that is the way to show that Fair Game don't work on us. Fuck it all, if I go to jail I'll have a job and no rent! And there's plenty of Pruno! That's kinda fucking WIN.