Discussion in 'Projects' started by anew, Dec 29, 2012.
Basic food in the US is dirt cheap. Rice. Beans. Milk. Eggs. etc.
Not the same as growing your own milk and having your own herd of rice though.
Economically inefficient. The difference between ancient agrarian civilizations and modern ones is that people can specialize in the work they do. This makes everyone better off and increases a society's wealth. This means longer healthier happier lives, a dramatic increase in leisure time, and an exponential increase in the kind of knowledge needed to improve things further.
Are you an economist? :3
Considering the op has spammed this and got it moved to.... Well, I honestly don't care where, but the point is it and subsequent attempts to spam got moved... I think it is pretty apparent that the OP's plan, like OWS, is an exercise in fail.
Where is the "Epic Agree" button? Personally, I'd rather eat glass and wash it down with Draino while I was on fire, but you hit the nail on the head.
Who said you weren't a hero already?
Seriously though, odds are they will move from lot to lot because they get too stoned and forget the directions out of town... The irony of it being it is a one-road town.
It isn't worth it. As stated above: Most of them would be too stoned to get out of a wet paper bag, much less anywhere.
To give you an idea of the OP's plan:
I want to know how a bunch of occupy bums intend to pay for gas.
Also, what the fucking fuck is a Rainbow Gathering?
TL;DR: Hippie tent cities.
As for gas: I'm afraid to find out much less know on a full stomach.
Oh, I see. Hippie shit.
Hey friends. Just popped on this site to see how I could get more involved in changing our fucked up world.
Frankly, you guys disappoint me, and sound like arguing teenagers. Whoever finds themself in a forum regarding any activist group - be it Occupy, TZM, Anonymous, Jack's Seething Anger, what have you - is hopefully listened to with an open mind and respected. At least. You guys remind me of the bullshit partisan debates aired on Fox news.
Don't you see we're all fighting for the same damn thing?! I mean really. Think about the fact that the goals of many groups are the same end, but the means to get there may differ.
If someone wants to overthrow the corrupt government and rebuild, so be it. If someone else wants to go start a farm to be self-sustaining when the government is no longer there to provide it? If someone wants to build geodesic domes in Iceland...really, we are many. We can do whatever it is we want. Hopefully we'll all just stop f-ing arguing and start discussing solutions, maybe we won't all fall. hey - there will be lots to do to keep us all busy for a long time...
There are many means to the same end my friends. Are we missing the whole point of Anonymous? And Occupy? Solidarity, freedom, citizen strength - communication is vital for any organized and peaceful change.
If I am wrong or off my rocker or not saying the right code words to be part of your cool club then please, respectfully let me know, and I will move on to a platform supporting the ideals I came here searching for. If not, let's fucking organize and get this show on the road - all hands needed!
Fine, do it. Just don't get butthurt when many of the rest of us decide not to bother giving our money and time to your personal hippy-dippy goals.
Says who? Most of Occupy's goals are at direct odds with mind. I protest Scientology because the law should apply equally to everyone. Occupy thinks the law shouldn't apply to them. Do feel free to tell me exactly how to rectify that conflict.
Don't suggest high treason on WWP, k?
Anonymous has a point? You must be new.
Lol solidarity. You've never heard the phrase "Anonymous eats its own"?
Didn't you just say something about overthrowing the government?
I hear Infowars is looking for members.
Is herding rice as difficult as herding cats?
I'd pay good money to see somebody herding rice.... Already have seen people living the dream cat herding:
We're fighting a destructive cult, without bands, or kitchens or busses. We liek mudkips. And generally, Occupy has left a bad taste in many people's mouths here. Why?
BECAUSE WE ARE THE NEXT WAVE OF EFFECTIVE PROTESTS AND NONE OF THOSE ASSHATS WOULD EVEN LISTEN TO US.
So, the lack of response or the nature of the response here is not surprising.
Occasionally I like to hunt down surviving Occupy stragglers and explain in great detail how I totally fucking told them so months ago. Generally it confuses them. But it gives me all sorts of warm fuzzy feelings.
You are too kind sometimes. I know you can do better to shatter their delusions of grandeur.
well, there were the Occupy Madison Square guys that I stumbled across on vacation that I forced to publicly explain why they were displaying Guy Fawkes masks. Happiest moment of my life. OF MY LIFE. Do you understand how many MONTHS AND MONTHS I had been searching for in-person Occupyfags? MILLENIA. I saw those Guy Fawkes masks and angels started SINGING.
"There was this guy once...uh...I think his name was Guy Fawkes...and he, like....fought against a dictatorship. Or something. I don't really know."
"OKAY LET ME EXPLAIN ANONYMOUS TO YOU..."
They didn't come around my neck of the woods
Before I continue: What is your stance on the Kony 2012 deal?
My stance on Kony 2012 is "lol that dude was naked in San Diego, money well spent."
More srsly, you may consider me skeptical, after an enlightening conversation with a Ugandan national.
This video said it all:
The only action I seen around here is the Kony 2012 deal. A local jewelery store put up a couple posters but the big one involved a sidewalk... Some Konyfag went with a template and spray painted on a sidewalk on the college grounds. Needless to say: The college, a bible one BTW, wasn't too happy about that.
I ought to put up a sign that says "Kony 2013: Still useless. Still raping cars." near the college spray painted sidewalk.
I like how a few people were all "I'm tired of seeing this shit on Facebook, have any of you even looked into it, how do you know it's a legitimate organization" and then it totally turned out to not be and then everyone that had been going on about kony this and kony that was all "I KNEW THOSE GUYS WEREN'T TRUSTWORTHY ALL ALONG."
Yeah... and the college still hasn't removed the spray paint from the sidewalk and the jeweler still has Kony shit still up. I guess I should break it to them...
I didn't want to comment anymore in this section but.
OH SHIT-SAME THING HERE JUST BURSTED LAUGHING
NAKED IN SAN DIEGO????
We do a lot more than just strip off here, yanno.
No you don't.
Hey...they couldn't put it on tv if it wasn't true!
'Basic food in the US is dirt cheap. Rice. Beans. Milk. Eggs. etc'
food it is not. chemically doused abuse of nature and your health is what it takes to produce that. it could be as cheap done naturally. but the war economy and the fake economy in general has it rigged so that massive spending on toxic biocides and artifical fertilisers and fossil fuels, somehow appears cheaper to produce than growing organically (real organic, not what your usda is trying to fuck up legislation to change organic into) and in forest garden or edible landscaping style would be.
artificial fertilisers kill the life in the soil and remove all nutrients. the grower is then forced to buy them every year, and they kill the ecosystem more and more with their application. the soil becomes dust that nothing grows in naturally.
gmo's - are even more of a nightmare.
and unless your animal produce is organic or at that level of real organic, the animals have been raised in sickening abusive conditions. and the produce is full of hormones and other toxic drugs.
op, this forum is infested with your way of thinkings - the correct way - enemies. but you are the true anonymous, they are just fakes. don't be discouraged, they do not represent what it is really about.
do you work at all with WWOOF in the usa? if not you should get in contact with them, and with the permaculture people and team up.
btw i am not encouraging some of that festival shit, it tends to attract the kind of fakes also that just trash the place and don't appreciate that their noise isn't welcome.
intl intrusion, and chemical drugs - stops you realising what went wrong with the 60s. kinda like how our generation got sidelined by irresponsible raving and clubbing, where the good get suckered in by psytrance album art that looks like lotr or gaian, to a way of being wholly opposite of that.
but anyway, like i says - you should get involved with WWOOF and permaculture etc if you are not already.
don't mind the area51 type of 'anons', they are programmed to ignore the solutions are in bushcraft and druid stargates.
Like most of your ilk, you can pinpoint the problems but offer no realistic solutions.
like all of your ilk, you use nature related pics but you are all about killing nature.
and you claim to have awareness of those problems yet inexplicably have no awareness of all the solutions that exist. such as wwoof and permaculture, that i already fucking mentioned above..
the solutions are found in the likes of permaculture. cuba managed to change their systems and reduce fuel imports enormously. permaculture regreens deserts. organic conversions can be a stage towards forest farming, since there are existing step by step methods to convert existing agriculture over to organic, taking about 3 years.
all the hard graft of thinking has been done for you. we need only implement the solutions. of course that'll mean getting the global economy to cease to be based on warring and arming against one another, and building a self-sufficient world instead.
American hippies, gotta love them.
Organic methods are not enough to feed the world, thats why farming has developed the way it has, to be consistent and not susceptible. Also, global economy based on war and arming? Lay off the smokes dude!
so my comments about the anon userpics, which you have censored in your big-brother paedo way from here, have got you to change the userpic.
also you have edited the truth out of this thread so that the facts of organic and permaculture being all that anyone ever needed to produce all crops required, has been censored.
feel proud of yourself, posing as representative of freedom fighters when really you are the fucking problem anyone real is fighting against. you're the worst type of human scum, raping the ecosystem & promoting the most harmful lies.
anonymous' black suit and tie is not about being some fucking stereotype of the mib out of the matrix, you fucking mongtard.
How hurtful. Now you've made me cry.
We're more about challenging ideas here.
It's about gaining clarity through argument and debate, a little like in the Jewish or Buddhist faiths.
If an idea isn't even good enough to run the gauntlet of criticism here, how are we going to convince anyone else of it?
We're more about truthful speech than flattering speech.
That depends what country they're in.
If they're in a nation where the government is genuinely corrupt - and there are many of those - then it's a case of great, sure, how can we help?
If they're in a first-world nation with democracy, a free press and human rights for all, then they're merely posturing (not to mention being hugely ungrateful for the massive benefits which they have compared to much of the world's population), and we're likely to call them out on that.
This Anon has hit the nail on the head.
If you have something you want to do, then go ahead and do it. Some people will support you, and some won't.
But you're fooling yourself if you think all criticism can be ascribed to "not saying the right code words to be part of your cool club".
dl;tr: This isn't the Happy Hippy Agreement Club. If you're looking for people who will agree with you regardless of the merits of your argument, then boy are you in the wrong place.
Confused, you keep raeging but not quitting!
Not gone...moved. Wingnut derail has been carefully placed in the dome for your viewing pleasure.
You have already been told how to get there.
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