I am not local. Charlie here is. But I would say that that is almost certainly the case if they were thinking of selling it on. Presumably that is why they left the building unprotected for so long. But then damages would just cost them more. Somebody would have to torch the whole place - not just part of it - for their scheme to work and nobody has done that so it seem more likely that they are short of money to develop it. They might be planning to sell it on to a developer but if NAB Properties sold it on to them then the market price has probably lowered to the extent that it is not cost effective to develop that property at the moment and they might get only two thirds what they paid for it. I also think that even if they have planning permission to turn the listing building into 27 apartments then in practice it could not be done becauser many of the apartments would be starved of natural light and nobody would want to buy those arartments. If they can do it in Melbourne then why not Gateshead? Somebody needs to send a mission in, find out who the SPs are and the "Who" stopping all this and scrape the CIs off the lines. Half of them should be sent on a religious retreat for this for the next ten years.
Maybe NAB Properties bought it in order to get planning permission granted on it and then sell it on to a property developer at a profit hoping things would pick up in the housing market and in this way they could make something like a 100% profit. And indeed they made that profit but the clams bought it and can't do anything with the building. I guess it will be another 2 million to refurbish it and another million to buy in all the Scientology equipment crap that every Ideal Org is forced to have. That area is too poor for that so they will need to be bailed out by the IAS. What I want to know is why they bought it in the first place if they did not have the money or promises of it to finish the job. Was it something to do with being sure of getting 100% rates relief?
I bet those clams who bought it are biting off their thetan fingernails a little since they will have to continue paying interest on their loans. Soon there will be mass suicides. They can carry on with The Bridge in their next life.
Sounds about right Roland looks like it would have cost a fortune to redevelope the site judging from the plans http://cominoweb.gateshead.gov.uk/P...iewdocs=true&SDescription=DC/07/00617/COU Its possible about the rates relief being granted but 2 buildings up here they would have to loose one , I see it more like R M Pickles got suckered handing over the cash/building .
I think it would cost 2.7 million quid to refurbish the place and get those 27 apartments good and then they would need to sell them for 100,000 quid each which might be too high a price for the area at the current time. It's a bad investment to have at this time and a liability as well.
Another possiblity for the lack anything happening on the building is the sink hole (old mine working) in the car park is getting bigger I scraped my exhaust the other day in it when turning round . http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/dblock/GB-424000-561000/page/10 http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=726461
The last line of tiles is down bar two. This is a false ceiling and the real ceiling will be a lot higher. There has been some water damage to the real ceiling and this has part collapsed and dropped rubble on the tiles below. That will be expensive to fix.
I asked Sam Butler (Manchester public relations) about this on Saturday as he's technically PR for Sunderland etc. as well, but he said he didn't know about it / wasn't involved - I was happy to give him a brief summary of the situation, anyway.
I'm guessing it could be even more expensive if you keep putting it up there and somebody keeps stealing it.
1) If they don't fix the roof there will be further damage which will cost them a lot of money to fix. 2) If they fix the roof it will save money except somebody will nick the stuff off the roof then back to 1) 3) So if they fix the roof and have 24hr security then it will cost too much for them to afford. 4) So if they sell the building now to cut their losses they will lose a third of their money. So they are stuffed. Let them postulate their way out of that one.
Better still, keep the charvers happy with a regular supply of bella so they keep an eye out for it for them.
Or just get one of them from Sunderland Org to sleep over in the place. But they wouldn't see those people "sightseeing" on the roof though looking for lead or copper sheeting. That place needs 24hr monitoring or selling quick because the more that building deteriorates then the less money they get when they sell it. Unless the whole place burns down in a spectacular fashion, that is. Then they could build a few town houses where it stands.
My dear Scientologist friends of Northumbria, I would like you to look at the pictures above of your Ideal Org in Gateshead. You know, the one you went into debt for to finance. That building you rejoicingly bought, thinking that your donations would bring in the new Golden Age for the expansion of Scientology. That, as a result, money would flood in with the public banging on the door demanding Scientology services and you, lucky you, would be the one allowed to be on staff to make that 10% and 15% commission on your sales. That you would be paid well and properly rewarded for all your years of dedication to Scientology. That you would bring about a Clear continent and an OT civilisation. Well look at it now, my friends. Look at the above two photos inside the building in the conservatory area. Look at the degeneration that has happened in three years. Look at that line of tiles that has come down and the rubble from the ceiling above. All that has happened where the wall joins the conservatory. Surely the lead flashing is holding? No? Oh, dear. Somebody stole it along with all the other lead flashing on the roof. You all bought that building for £1.5M but look at what is happening to it now. Not just in that one room you see above but all over. With every day, that building gets worse and worth less. If somebody tried to sell it now then what would they get for it? £1.0M? £0.75M? You still owe that £1.5M between you all. You can't walk away from it. You have to pay it back with interest. And with each day that building probably loses £400 in value. 365 days in a year times £400 - that's nearly £150K a year it is worth less. That seems about right. It's not worth £1.5M any more is it? There's one other thing you need to know. There is a sinkhole developing in the car park which hugely reduces the value of the land for building purposes. Oh dear. You had such noble ideals and high hopes. With much ARC, Roland Rashleigh-Berry
This is brilliant. Do you have a way to actually get it to them (Scientology Northumbria)? Scilon facebook? I bet that this sort of information is potentially very damaging. No one wants to feel that their actions and sacrifices are futile.
You could print off a few and go visit the Sunderland Org. Edit: I tidied it up a bit to make it more deliciously cruel.
I wish I could. Sadly, it would require a rather expensive plane ticket. Might be worth my while to mail a few though. At least the people who censor the mail would see it.
We have a couple of people here who might be able to walk in the place and leave a few copies around. That's if their doors are open at this place the council decided was so good for the community they gave them 100% rates relief. Tossers!
I'll do it. I'll maybe use my own words. Roland's piece, although accurate, has a tone suggesting bitterness, and obsession bordering on insanity. lolol. I'll do something that doesn't sound like the guy who goes on hunger strike to get the council to remove the speed bumps from his street. No disrespect Roland, I know you do a lot of good stuff, I just call it how I see it.
This is a version where the pictures are not visible. ======================================= My dear Scientologist friends of Northumbria, I am looking at pictures of the interior of your Ideal Org in Gateshead. They are taken from inside, looking towards the conservatory front. One photo is from 2008 and the other from 2011. You know what building I am talking about for sure. That Ideal Org purchase you went into debt for to finance. That building you rejoicingly bought, thinking that your donations would bring in the new Golden Age for the expansion of Scientology. That, as a result, money would flood in with the public banging on the door demanding Scientology services and you, lucky you, would be the one allowed to be on staff to make that 10% and 15% commission on your sales. That you would be paid well and properly rewarded for all your years of dedication to Scientology. That you would bring about a Clear continent and an OT civilisation. Well, I am having a close look at it now comparing the two photos. I am looking at the degeneration that has happened in the last three years. I see the line of tiles that has come down, pushed down by the rubble from the ceiling above that is in the process of collapsing. All that has happened where the wall joins the conservatory. Surely the lead flashing is holding? No? Oh, dear. Somebody stole it. Along with all the other lead flashing on the roof. You all bought that building for £1.5M but look at what has happened to it now. Not just in that one room whose pictures I am looking at but all over. With every day, that building gets worse and worth less. If somebody tried to sell it now then what would they get for it? £1.0M? £0.75M? You still owe that £1.5M between you all. You can't walk away from it. You have to pay it back with interest. And with each day that building probably loses £400 in value. 365 days in a year times £400 - that's nearly £150K a year it is worth less. That seems about right. It's not worth £1.5M any more is it? There's one other thing you need to know. There is a sinkhole developing in the car park which hugely reduces the value of the land for building purposes. Oh dear. You had such noble ideals and high hopes. With much ARC, Roland Rashleigh-Berry
They need IAS money and lots of it to restore that place and get the public flocking in waving cheque books.
A large rotting Grade II listed building that has had lead stripped from the roof and other joins and deteriorates by the day. A sinkhole developing in the car park so the land uncertain for building on. What is your estimate for its value now and in the future? Price paid = 1.5M GBP My guesses below. 2011? 0.75M 2016? 0.6M 2021? 0.5M
I've been looking at the 2011 pics and picked out these 2 to show more damage to the building copper pipe's gone , brass taps gone , radiators gone . Ceiling in the corridor gone presumably water damage , looks like the room on the left full of what was the ceiling . http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=726461
Now this is just freaking beautiful.. It brings a smile to my face when i see a scientology church getting abandoned
Specifically with the above picture do you think you could report this to the council and send them the picture and explain the situation and say that this beautiful Grade II listed building could be ruined and part of the heritage of Gateshead lost forever unless it is immediately fixed by the owners.
Is that sinkhole where the Gateshead Grey is buried? You can watch the whole story in the link below. Amazing to think that that alien grey had all that technology to traverse the vast distances of space with all its attendant dangers and yet had no force field or whatever to prevent a Geordie smashing his head in with a coal shovel. It goes to show you what low technology combined with an agile mind is capable of. http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/dam...d-Grey-Britains-earliest-alien-abduction.html Maybe that sinkhole needs to be reported to the council because somebody could fall down it if it collapsed one day. The least the owners could do it to cordon it off with a strong unmoveable barrier. Oh my God, I can imagine a little girl seeing the circles in the ground thinking it is a fairy ring and skipping around inside of it singing ring-a-ring-a-roses not feeling the crumbling under her tiny feet then the hole opens up and swallows the poor little mite, snuffing out her young life. OMFG !!!!! That sinkhole needs to be fenced off immediately so that nobody can possibly enter or someone is going to DIE !!!!!
NAB PROPERTIES LIMITED THE GRANARY JACKASS LANE KESTON BROMLEY KENT BR2 6AN Company No. 03522084 Previous name: 17/3/1998 Extrahot Limited Address looks like a residential address? No website for "NAB Properties" showing up. Several other companies such as "Citybirch Limited" which also does not have a website, showing up at this address. Wonder if it's simply a 'registering address'? Mrs Basil and myself are investigating further Is it worth spending money to get information from Companies House?
Have a look at http://www.levelbusiness.com/ first: depending on the company it offers some, most, or all of the same information as Companies House for free.
Thanks for that link. I'm seeing George Edward Preston (70) and Marc Preston (46) as directors for Nab Properties, both from the Bromley area. Bromley has had stress test tables out in the past, and of course it's not far from Saint Hill - but I'm not finding any obvious link to Scientology. Nab Properties may, of course, be a completely innocent and irrelevant party in all this.
