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NBC Rock Center on Narconon Arrowhead, April 5, 2013

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by The Wrong Guy, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. billybob Member

    Yes, I am sure that's it.
    However, using his information like this shows just how low the cult will go.
    Footbullet!
  2. Missfit Member

    I have a script from tonight's show on the way, may not be available until tomorrow morning but I'll try and get the relevant info up as soon as I can.

    edit: due to my own reservations, I won't post the complete script until tomorrow but here are a few snips:

    HARRY SMITH:
    If you're about to send one of your loved ones to Narconon Arrowhead, should you be concerned for their safety?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely. I would be concerned. I-- I would-- I personally would never recommend to anybody that they should send their loved one to Narconon.


    THIS IS LUCAS CATTON, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF NARCONON ARROWHEAD, A DRUG REHABILITATION CENTER LOCATED IN A REMOTE AREA OF OKLAHOMA.

    LAST YEAR WE REPORTED ON THREE YOUNG ADULTS WHO DIED THERE WITHIN NINE MONTHS.
    ________________________________
    HARRY SMITH:
    In this process, while you were at Narconon, did you become a Scientologist?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    I did. I came a full fledged scientologist. Absolutely. I dedicated all of my time, life, money; everything was dedicated toward the purpose of advancing Scientology's aims. That is what you're doing at Narconon, is you're advancing the aims of Scientology.
    HARRY SMITH:
    From your perspective and you were the President of the Narconon Arrowhead, does the Church of Scientology use Narconon as a way to recruit new members?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely it does.

    THE OTHER MAIN OBJECTIVE OF NARCONON, CATTON SAYS, WAS TO PULL IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE... THE THREE-TO-SIX-MONTH PROGRAM, COSTS $30,000 PER PATIENT.
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  3. RightOn Member

    ahhh dinner, a few glasses of wine, watching "V" again and then Rock Center.
    Great Friday night
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  4. The Wrong Guy Member

  5. Hate to be a party pooper but FREE2BELIEVE.ORG and the lucas Catton black PR site are not from the same ip address, nor the same server. What they have in common only is that they are registered through GoDaddy and their domain servers, which are different, are all owned and run through GoDaddy.
    http://dns.robtex.com/free2believe.org.html#summary
    http://dns.robtex.com/lucascatton.org.html#summary
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    NOW they're not. This afternoon, they were.

    You think that they don't monitor WWP?

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  7. Anonymous Member

    Mary McConnell does pretty good work, but as far as I'm concerned, lately, she acts like she's way more important than everyone else. (I know, OSA, OSA, BLAH BLAH) - but lately, I find her pretty strident - annoyingly so - and I generally let most stuff slide...
    Anonymous
    This message by Anonymous has been hidden due to negative ratings. (Show message)
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  8. Anonymous Member

    From the comment stream on Tony O's Live Blogging of the NBC Broadcast:
    Tony Ortega-NBC Blogging.jpg
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  9. wolfbane Member

    /SALUTE

    You ROCK! And you just made my anticipation for tonight's show all the greater. Thanks in advance for the script.
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  10. wolfbane Member

    LAWL! Rock Center starts out with a segment on ADHD. I'm imagining DM and other psych-hating clams who tuned in, in anticipation of being prepared for "handling the flap" afterwards, and having to sit through this part while becoming raging faggots... before Lucas and Eric even come on.

    Lulz.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    ADHD? Scientology tries to solve that, ahem. Segway?
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  12. wolfbane Member

    Yeah that thought made me snicker too.

    EDIT: and at the end of ADHD segment Brian Williams inserted plug for Narconon segment. Irony, loving it.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Was that Luke on the preview?
  14. wolfbane Member

    Don't know... I was typing ITT and looked away.
  15. Anonymous Member

    We shall see. Oh good ADD is over.
  16. sallysock Member

    Here's to hoping that this goes well.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    I love seeing the scilons and knowing that right now, someone is going ballistic and maybe they will think about wtf they are a part of.
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  18. DeathHamster Member

    And just before the show plays in California, Eric Tenorio's DA site goes live.
    Code:
    http://erictenorio.org/
    I guess the web coders won't be sent to SCOHB.
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  19. sallysock Member

    Just looked at it. So predictable and ass backwards. Apparently, they seem to "know about the interview" and what he said.
    Tonight is gonna be interesting.
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  21. Anonymous Member

    I am liking this. A crash course in Scilontology? Nice. And Luke, thank you for figuring it out and speaking out.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    IMHO, Harry Smith did good.
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  23. Wouldn't it be funny if we all just registered domains with the names of high-up Scilons who are likely to blow soon, just to keep them out of the Co$'s hands?

    Wouldn't it be even funnier if OSA sees this suggestion and freaks out and starts madly registering domains with the names of all current and ex-Scilons?

    Waste money. Waste more money. Get other people to slack off and waste even more money.
  24. RightOn Member

    excellent interview!
    kudos to NBC Rock Center, Harry Smith, and especially to Lucas and Eric!
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  25. wolfbane Member

    Lucas and Eric were both awesome. They came across as sincere, intelligent and remorseful for what they had been involved in.

    For those outside the UsofA, the clip from the previous broadcast went up on the NBC Rock Center website 4 hours after it aired on the West Coast. So approx. 6-7 hours from the timestamp on this post, start looking for it here:

    http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Nice to see the good guys.
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  27. The Wrong Guy Member

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  28. Anonymous Member

    I am sickly hoping that Harry Reid and Brian Williams get a place in Freedom. I know it's wrong but I am hoping for a journalist tipping point...
  29. RightOn Member

    Harry Smith?
  30. Anonymous Member

    Hahaha, thank you.
  31. wolfbane Member

    Harry Reid in Freedom would actually be a good thing.
  32. Anonymous Member

    I lol'd. My subconscious is telling.
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  33. Missfit Member

    Here you go kiddens...enjoy.
    ______________________________________
    HARRY SMITH:
    If you're about to send one of your loved ones to Narconon Arrowhead, should you be concerned for their safety?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely. I would be concerned. I-- I would-- I personally would never recommend to anybody that they should send their loved one to Narconon.

    THIS IS LUCAS CATTON, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF NARCONON ARROWHEAD, A DRUG REHABILITATION CENTER LOCATED IN A REMOTE AREA OF OKLAHOMA.

    LAST YEAR WE REPORTED ON THREE YOUNG ADULTS WHO DIED THERE WITHIN NINE MONTHS.


    SHIRLEY GILLIAM'S SON, GABRIEL, DIED AT NARCONON IN OCTOBER, 2011. THE CAUSE OF DEATH COULD NOT BE DETERMINED.

    HARRY SMITH:
    Did you feel like they were completely forthcoming with you on the phone in terms of who they were and what their--
    SHIRLEY GILLIAM:
    No.
    HARRY SMITH:
    --what their procedures were?
    SHIRLEY GILLIAM:
    No.

    GILLIAM SAYS SHE IS FILLED WITH SORROW AND REGRET ABOUT SENDING GABRIEL TO NARCONON.

    SHIRLEY GILLIAM:
    I just wished that I had not taken him there. I wish that with everything inside me.

    CATTON AND HIS FORMER COLLEAGUE, ERIC TENORIO- BOTH EXECUTIVES WHO CUT TIES WITH NARCONON THREE YEARS AGO- SAY THOUGH NO ONE DIED ON THEIR WATCH, THEY FEEL COMPELLED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY ARE THE PROGRAM'S FAILINGS.

    HARRY SMITH:
    We did this story last summer of three different young people who died at Arrowhead. Did you see the story?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    I did. And I felt terrible about it. It coulda been prevented. Absolutely, every single one of those deaths. If those families would've gotten the truth about what they were getting into they would have absolutely not have sent their families there, and I apologize, you know.

    AND WHAT WERE THEY GETTING INTO? CATTON AND TENORIO SAY A CRASH COURSE IN SCIENTOLOGY.

    PATIENTS ARE CALLED "STUDENTS." AND THEY STUDY A SERIES OF EIGHT BOOKS BASED ON THE WRITINGS OF SCIENTOLOGY FOUNDER L. RON HUBBARD.


    "They can confront their own problems and solve their own problems and so bring themselves up by their own bootstraps."

    NARCONON PROMOTES ITSELF AS A NON-MEDICAL REHABILITATION PROGRAM. IT'S METHODS INCLUDE FIVE HOURS A DAY IN A SAUNA FOR THIRTY STRAIGHT DAYS AND MEGA DOSES OF THE VITAMIN NIACIN, ALL PART OF A LARGER SYSTEM OF LIFE SKILLS TRAINING THAT NARCONON SAYS HAS HELPED TENS OF THOUSANDS LEAD DRUG FREE LIVES.

    LUCAS CATTON:
    You were taught in Hubbard's language, that you are the expert in mental health.

    THIS IS LUCAS CATTON AS A YOUNG MAN. HE ARRIVED AT NARCONON AS A PATIENT IN 1998 WHEN HE WAS 20 YEARS OLD. HIS PARENTS WERE CONCERNED HE WAS DRINKING TOO MUCH.

    HE GOT A JOB AT NARCONON AS A COUNSELOR IN 2000, AND QUICKLY WORKED HIS WAY UP TO PRESIDENT.

    AT THE TIME, AND FOR YEARS AFTERWARDS, HE BELIEVED THE PROGRAM WAS HELPFUL AND GAVE THIS 2009 TESTIMONIAL TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY.

    LUCAS CATTON 2009 TESTIMONIAL GIVEN TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY:
    There is not a more comprehensive rehabilitation program available than Narconon.

    HARRY SMITH:
    In this process, while you were at Narconon, did you become a Scientologist?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    I did. I came a full fledged scientologist. Absolutely. I dedicated all of my time, life, money; everything was dedicated toward the purpose of advancing Scientology's aims. That is what you're doing at Narconon, is you're advancing the aims of Scientology.
    HARRY SMITH:
    From your perspective and you were the President of the Narconon Arrowhead, does the Church of Scientology use Narconon as a way to recruit new members?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely it does.

    THE OTHER MAIN OBJECTIVE OF NARCONON, CATTON SAYS, WAS TO PULL IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE... THE THREE-TO-SIX-MONTH PROGRAM, COSTS $30,000 PER PATIENT.

    LUCAS CATTON:
    So therefore you're willing to either lie to them or misrepresent who you are or-- take people who aren't really qualified; anything to bring in the money to keep the facility going, week after week after week.

    IN A STATEMENT TO NBC NEWS, THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY SAID THE COST OF NARCONON IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER ADDICTION TREATMENT PROGRAMS.

    ERIC TENORIO ALSO CAME TO NARCONON AS A PATIENT IN 1996.

    UPON COMPLETING THE PROGRAM HE, LIKE CATTON, GOT HIRED ON AS STAFF. HE, TOO, BECAME A SCIENTOLOGIST AND GAVE THIS 2008 TESTIMONIAL TO THE CHURCH.

    TENORIO 2008 TESTIMONIAL GIVEN TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY:
    There's no way that I would have got to the point where I am right now if it wasn't for the Narconon program.

    HE WORKED HIS WAY UP THE LADDER AT ARROWHEAD, AND IN 2004, TOOK A POSITION AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT NARCONON'S FREEDOM CENTER IN MICHIGAN.

    HARRY SMITH:
    If you're on the staff at Narconon beyond the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard, is there any instruction whatsoever-- in terms of-- of your dealing with people who are addicted to drugs and alcohol?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    None.
    HARRY SMITH:
    Zero?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    Zero.

    TENORIO SHOWED US OFFICIAL-LOOKING CERTIFICATES HE RECEIVED AS A QUOTE UNQUOTE CERTIFIED ALCOHOL AND DRUG COUNSELOR IN MICHIGAN. THEY CAME FROM AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE PITA GROUP, RUN BY A NARCONON ARROWHEAD CONTRACTOR.

    HARRY SMITH:
    That's the kinda thing you got--
    ERIC TENORIO:
    That's-- that's-- yeah. It's got a nice seal on it to make it look very official. You stick it on your wall and-- any unsuspecting public will h-- will be none the wiser.
    HARRY SMITH:
    What did you do to-- to-- to get this?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    Wrote 'em a check.
    HARRY SMITH:
    That's it?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    That's it.
    HARRY SMITH:
    No course?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    No course. No tests. No oversight.
    HARRY SMITH:
    No curriculum?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    No nothing.
    HARRY SMITH:
    It feels like fraud.
    ERIC TENORIO:
    It is fraud. It's absolutely fraud.

    THE PITA GROUP DENIES TENORIO'S ASSERTIONS AND SAYS IT REQUIRES 20 HOURS OF TRAINING AND TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE.

    HARRY SMITH:
    Do you blame Narconon for your daughter's death?
    ROBERT MURPHY:
    Absolutely.

    ROBERT MURPHY'S DAUGHTER STACY DIED OF AN OVERDOSE INSIDE NARCONON ARROWHEAD LAST JULY. HE AND THE FAMILIES OF THE OTHER DECEASED ARE HAVE SUED NARCONON. THE PROGRAM DENIED WRONGDOING IN ANY OF THE DEATHS.

    MURPHY SAYS THE ADVERTIZED SUCCESS RATE OF 75% IS WHAT DREW THEM TO NARCONON.

    HARRY SMITH:
    You're thinking, "This might be the answer?"
    ROBERT MURPHY:
    Oh yeah. Because they tout such high-- success rates.

    TENORIO AND CATTON SAY THAT NUMBER IS A COMPLETE FABRICATION.

    LUCAS CATTON:
    And it's well-known, internally, that-- that they cannot produce that success rate.
    HARRY SMITH:
    They know inside?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely they know.

    NARCONON SAYS IT STANDS BY ITS STATISTICS.

    CATTON STEPPED DOWN AS PRESIDENT IN 2004 BUT STAYED CLOSE TO THE PROGRAM. FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS HE WORKED AS A CONTRACTOR SELLING NARCONON TO DESPERATE RELATIVES OF DRUG ADDICTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY... ALL LOOKING FOR HELP ON THE INTERNET, WITH NO INDICATION THE SITES THEY WERE VIEWING MIGHT LEAD THEM TO NARCONON.

    LUCAS CATTON:
    I had a series of websites that were non-branded. Like, generic websites for people to look for drug treatment and rehab help.
    HARRY SMITH:
    So if I went on the internet looking for drug treatment I'd land on one of your sites?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Land on one of my sites, pick up the phone, call. Either myself or somebody who I employed would answer the phone or respond to your e-mail. And start taking down information, asking pertinent questions, listening for a few key things. Whether or not you had money, whether or not you had some type of insurance. They really teach you to listen for-- and even use the term, "Listen for the money."
    HARRY SMITH:
    Listen for the money?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Listen for the money.

    CATTON SAYS HE REFERRED THOSE WHO COULD AFFORD IT NARCONON. THE REST HE SAYS HE REFERRED ELSEWHERE. HE MADE A 10% COMMISSION, OR $3,000, ON EVERY PERSON WHO WENT TO A NARCONON FACILITY.

    HARRY SMITH:
    Did you make pretty good money doing this?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    I did. Yeah, I used to.
    HARRY SMITH:
    In a given year, how much?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Easily $150,000, $200,000.
    HARRY SMITH:
    GP12 04;11;51 Do you think Narconon preys on vulnerable people?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    I absolutely believe Narconon preys on vulnerable people. That's part of the sales techniques. One of the techniques that they do is called, "finding your ruin." And they teach people who are on the phone with families, find out what are the biggest problems in their lives. What is the thing that they're most afraid of is gonna happen? And you hit that over and over and over again until they break down and go, "Oh my gosh, we have to do something." And you're there to tell 'em, "Well, we have the answer."

    "AND WHERE ARE THE REGULATORS?" YOU ASK. CATTON SAYS AS PRESIDENT OF NARCONON ARROWHEAD, HE HELPED NARCONON TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOOPHOLES IN OKLAHOMA STATE LAW TO AVOID ANY KIND OF MEANINGFUL REGULATION BY THE STATE.

    HARRY SMITH:
    Does the state have a kind of a hands-off policy when it comes to-- comes to that facility?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Absolutely, they have a hands-off policy. They don't know how to handle it. The state, unfortunately, has not done their job.

    THE STATE REGULATORY AGENCY SAYS NARCONON ARROWHEAD IS CURRENTLY CERTIFIED TO PROVIDE NON-MEDICAL DETOXIFICATION SERVICES, AND THAT AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATHS IS ONGOING.

    CATTON SAYS HE STARTED TO QUESTION NARCONON AND SCIENTOLOGY AFTER HE BEGAN TO LOOK INTO UNFAVORABLE REPORTS ABOUT THE CHURCH IN 2010. HE SAYS WHEN HE STARTED TO QUESTION CHURCH AUTHORITIES HE WAS EXCOMMUNICATED.

    TENORIO STOPPED WORKING FOR NARCONON IN 2010 AFTER TIRING OF WHAT HE CALLS FRAUD AND POOR MANAGEMENT. AND LEAVING NARCONON ESSENTIALLY ENDED HIS CONNECTION WITH THE CHURCH.

    BOTH MEN SAY THEY ARE ASHAMED OF THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE NARCONON AND SCIENTOLOGY.

    ERIC TENORIO:
    Well, it's definitely embarrassing. You know, I don't-- I don't go around tellin' people that I meet that, "Oh, yeah, I used to be in a cult." You know? (LAUGH) I--
    HARRY SMITH:
    Used to be in a cult?
    ERIC TENORIO:
    Yeah, 'Cause I don't like to say, "Yeah, I-- you know, I wasted this time doing this activity that I thought was right, when in actual fact it's just pseudo-science. Or, you know, it's this guy sellin' snake oil."

    NARCONON AND CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OFFICIALS DECLINED OUR REQUEST FOR ON-CAMERA INTERVIEWS. BUT IN STATEMENTS BOTH ORGANIZATIONS SAID THAT NARCONON IS NOT A SOURCE OF RECRUITMENT FOR THE CHURCH, AND SAID ONLY A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PATIENTS JOIN SCIENTOLOGY.

    IN AN EMAIL TO NBC NEWS, NARCONON ARROWHEAD CEO GARY SMITH SAID "OF NARCONON ARROWHEAD'S CURRENT STAFF, APPROXIMATELY 25% ARE SCIENTOLOGISTS."

    HE SAID "NARCONON'S CHIEF CONCERN IS TO SALVAGE PEOPLE FROM THE RAVAGES OF DRUG ADDICTION" ...AND "NOTHING IN THE PROCEDURES PUTS MONEY BEFORE HELPING THE PERSON WHO IS SUFFERING ..."

    CEO SMITH ALSO SAID CATTON HAS TIES TO ANTI-SCIENTOLOGY ACTIVISTS.

    HARRY SMITH:
    We'll be in communication with Narconon. And the first thing we're gonna hear: You guys are discredited. You're out to destroy Narconon. You're not to be trusted.
    LUCAS CATTON:
    Right.
    HARRY SMITH:
    To which you would say what?
    LUCAS CATTON:
    For me, personally, I think it's quite the opposite. Why would I incriminate myself? Why would I give up my certifications? Why would I do all these things? It's purely so that the truth can come out, so that people can stop hurting, so that people can stop dying, and so that there can be full transparency.
    ERIC TENORIO:
    They go to great lengths at quieting people. They're not gonna do that with me. I'm gonna tell the truth and there's nothin' they can say or do to-- to stop that.
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  34. Anonymous Member

    Excellent interview. Anyone who saw this would not even consider going to Narconon - hope this gets on Utube so that it can be liberally spread around....into all those nooks and crannies that Narconon likes to hide in.

    From now on......when people hear of Narconon, they'll think.....

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  35. Anonymous Member

    Bravo, Missfit!!! <3
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  36. BlooAnon Member

    Slightly OT, but this photo reminds me of Women with Salad stock photos.



    Back to the topic: So, Sci got hit again?
  37. Anonymous Member

    More post-show lulz for twitfags: OSAbots trolling HARD with the Lucas and Eric smear sites using the @NarcononFriend account.
  38. Anonymous Member

    Other sites?
    L a z y
  39. Anonymous Member

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  40. Anonymous Member

    From upstream ITT:

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