National Association of Forensic Counselors vs. Narconon

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  1. RightOn Member

  2. RightOn Member

  3. Quentinanon Member

    Damn, there is some resemblance. Did Charlie Manson sire any sons?
    Charlie had been in the Criminon program prior to the brutal murders he orchestrated.
  4. DeathHamster Member

    Most of those non-Narconons fall under FASE and operate out of the same little office.
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  5. RightOn Member

    it was first called the Ocala Detoxification Project and then it was changed to the Hero's something or other when it garnered too much attention
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  7. The Wrong Guy Member

    Michigan seeks to remove psychologist's license after learning of his rape convictions

    By Paul Egan, Detroit Free Press, May 27, 2015

    A repeat rapist who lied on his state application has been a licensed psychologist in Michigan for more than 20 years, the State of Michigan says in a complaint laying the groundwork to remove his license.

    Francis John Deisler, who is based in Indiana but has also worked in Michigan under a limited license, has convictions for rape in Wisconsin in 1973 and 1974, plus a 1973 conviction for armed robbery and multiple 1974 convictions for burglary and attempted burglary, according to an administrative complaint filed by the Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs on May 7.

    In his 1993 application for a Michigan psychologist's license, Deisler, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison, said he had never been convicted of a crime and provided an inaccurate birth date and social security number, the complaint alleges.

    Deisler could not be reached for comment, but an attorney representing an association Deisler founded said Deisler has always presented himself as a product of rehabilitation and has not tried to hide his criminal past.

    Michigan now does background checks on applicants for psychologist licenses but that practice didn't start until 2008, said Jason Moon, a spokesman for the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs. There had been no complaints against Deisler until a recent one that led to the state complaint, he said.

    Deisler's actions demonstrate a lack of good moral character and fraud or deceit in obtaining a license, which are grounds for removing the license under the Public Health Code, the complaint alleges.

    Deisler has 30 days from the time of the complaint to file a written response and could request a hearing, Moon said.

    "If he fails to do so it will be treated as an admission of the allegations and the complaint will be sent directly to the (Michigan Board of Psychology's) disciplinary subcommittee for imposition of an appropriate action," the complaint says.

    Deisler also was the subject of a recent complaint in Indiana, where he holds a social worker license since 1992 and a marriage and family therapist license since 1993. A March complaint against Deisler alleged he changed his name to Frank John Palani in 1999 and didn't notify the state. The licensing board there issued him a letter of reprimand, a spokesman for the Indiana Attorney General's Office said Wednesday.

    Deisler formerly served as president of the National Association of Forensic Counselors in Ft. Wayne, Ind., and has offered training and certification to sex offender counselors around the country, according to court records.

    David Keesling, an attorney for the association, said Deisler has not been connected with the National Association of Forensic Counselors since 2008. The association is now headed by Deisler's wife, Karla Taylor, he said.

    According to a 1988 article in the Ft. Wayne News-Sentinel, Dreisler owned the Life Skills Counseling Center in Ft. Wayne and had acknowledged his extensive criminal record.

    "If people believe you can be rehabilitated and get well, then what I'm doing shouldn't be a problem," Deisler was quoted as saying in the 1988 article. If people in the mental health field "don't believe that, then they shouldn't be doing what they're doing for a living."

    A 2014 California lawsuit against Deisler, the National Association of Forensic Counselors and other defendants, which is ongoing, allege they fraudulently provided certification to alcohol and drug counselors without authorization.

    Keesling said those allegations are false and said both the lawsuit and what he said is a smear campaign against Deisler are the result of a trademark dispute between the National Association of Forensic Counselors and a group associated with the Church of Scientology.

    Moon said the Michigan's Bureau of Health Care Services contacted court officials in Milwaukee in late January after receiving information about Deisler and received certified criminal convictions in March.

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  8. RightOn Member

    soooo Narconon, about those 9 deaths?
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  9. The Wrong Guy Member

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    A Journal Sentinel Watchdog Report - Social worker obtained state licenses despite criminal past


    Wisconsin regulators are trying to determine whether Deisler did not disclose his criminal past when he applied for a social worker's license — an investigation made difficult because state law requires that applications be routinely destroyed after five years, Zillmer said.

    Deisler's original license applications filed in Indiana and Michigan are available to regulators in those states because officials don't destroy them.

    Indiana reprimanded Deisler earlier this year for failing to notify the state he had changed his name. But officials took no other action on his convictions.

    Michigan issued a complaint against Deisler for lying about his convictions on his application and providing a false date of birth and Social Security number. That investigation is ongoing. Wisconsin's probe into Deisler also is open.

    In the years since Deisler was licensed, regulators in Michigan and Indiana began running criminal background checks for people seeking licenses to work in a variety of fields, including social work and health-related fields.
    Deisler, whose legal name is now Frank Palani, did not return repeated calls and email messages seeking comment for this story.

    Deisler's attorney, David R. Keesling of Tulsa, Okla., downplayed the investigations and his client's criminal career as it relates to licensing matters. While Keesling said he did not know whether his client disclosed his criminal record on license applications, he argued that states may have licensed him even with knowledge of his criminal past.

    "There are many former criminals — ex-offenders — who have gone into these areas of counseling," Keesling said. He said Deisler is 76 years old and no longer works for the National Association of Forensic Counselors, which he founded, and does not actively practice as a social worker.

    Deisler's wife, Karla Taylor, runs the association, Keesling said. He accused the Church of Scientology, which has close ties to the Narconon program — a drug addiction treatment program that is being sued by the forensic counselors group for trademark infringement — for contacting the media and regulators about Deisler's criminal history.

    "If you don't like the message ... you try smearing the messenger," he said.

    An attorney for Narconon declined to comment and the Church of Scientology did not respond to requests for comment.
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  11. DeathHamster Member

    Odd that they're looking into it now after all these years.
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  12. Ersatz Global Moderator

    Well, there ya go. Attack never defend.
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    Maybe the cult had something to do with the story. Maybe not. Whatever. But sorry, he not only has a rap sheet a mile long, it includes raping a 14-year-old girl AND a 7-year-old girl??

    If there's anything I hate worse than a cultie it's disgusting POS child molesters. I could give a flying fuck if he's attacking the cult. No pass from me. Francis Deisler is one sick POS and can go rot in hell.
  14. DeathHamster Member

    Hmm. Claims of a PHony Doctorate?

    National Board of Addiction Examiners, dissolved in 1999, predecessor of National Association of Forensic Counselors:


    I don't see anything in the previous stories that mention when he had the time to complete a doctorate and only a noob would put it on a corporate form.
    Fire that idiot — to protect the public.

    No question that Francis Deisler is a red flag mess who paper-gamed the system. But it doesn't improve the position of Narconon and friends.

    I wonder how many skeletons in the closet CARF has that they keep certifying Narconon locations?
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  15. fishypants Moderator

    NAFC vs Narconon update 2015-10-28

    Joint Status Report:

    V. Proposed Deadlines: Plaintiffs, Defendants

    A. Parties to be added by: 04/01/2016, 12/01/2015

    B. Proposed discovery cutoff date: 12/31/2016, 07/01/2016

    C. Case ready for trial (month/year): 05/2017, 12/2016

    D. Anticipated number of trial days (excluding jury selection): <null>, 10


    Private Mediation Scheduled in
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  16. The Wrong Guy Member

    Monique Rathbun is on the clock at the Texas Supreme Court, and more in our legal roundup

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, February 24, 2016

    An attorney who has litigation against the church mentioned to us casually one day that the lawsuit that really has the potential to cost Scientology dearly is the NAFC’s case regarding its trademarks.

    We haven’t written about that case in a long time, even though there have been some developments in it that we’ve been meaning to bring you up to date on. Like, for example, that David Miscavige managed to slip out of it, but that he might be coming back in.

    You may remember the lawsuit, brought by the National Association of Forensic Counselors, and specifically its president, Karla Taylor. We first made her acquaintance after former Narconon executives Lucas Catton and Eric Tenorio came forward, making accusations about the way Narconons are run, which got them featured on a segment of NBC’s now-cancelled news program, Rock Center. What really shocked Taylor were allegations by Tenorio that Narconon officials had come by their NAFC addiction counseling certifications by fraudulent means. And once Taylor began to look into those allegations, she was stunned to see how much Narconon used the NAFC’s logo and certifications in ways that were misleading or against NAFC rules.

    She sued the Church of Scientology, its leader David Miscavige, and 80 other defendants for misusing NAFC’s trademarks. She was appalled, her attorney David Keesling tells us, with the thought that any families sent their loved ones to Narconon based on the idea that the NAFC had certified the program as legitimate and safe.
    David Miscavige managed to extricate himself from the suit on a jurisdictional technicality. Taylor and the NAFC are in Indiana, Miscavige is based in California, but Keesling had filed the federal lawsuit in Oklahoma, where many of the defendants are located, as well as Narconon’s flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead. Miscavige successfully argued that he shouldn’t be part of an Oklahoma suit brought by an Indiana company. So Keesling tells us that Taylor has another month to refile against the church leader, and she plans to do so in Indiana, where the NAFC is located.

    And the lawsuit reached another landmark recently when Oklahoma federal Judge Ronald A. White issued an order scheduling a trial in the case, for October 4.

    On Monday, Keesling tells us, the case goes to mediation, to see if a settlement can be worked out so the trial isn’t needed. We’ll continue to keep an eye on this one.
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  18. The Wrong Guy Member

    The NAFC refiles its massive lawsuit against Scientology

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, March 26, 2016

    As promised, the National Association of Forensic Counselors refiled its massive lawsuit alleging trademark violations against Scientology, its leader David Miscavige, and 38 other defendants.

    This is the lawsuit, you’ll remember, that accuses Scientology and its drug rehab network, Narconon, of misusing the NAFC’s logo and making false claims that its employees had received NAFC certifications in order to convince the public that Narconon’s employees are properly licensed as drug counselors.

    The NAFC and its president, Karla Taylor, had originally filed its lawsuit against 82 defendants in Oklahoma, because that’s where Scientology has its flagship rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead. But Miscavige successfully argued that he should be dropped from the lawsuit because he lives and works primarily in California, and the NAFC is in Indiana, so he should not be a party to a lawsuit filed in a third, and unrelated state, Oklahoma.

    So now, NAFC has refiled against Miscavige in its home state of Indiana, and with the help of the Indianapolis law firm of Saeed and Little. That name should be familiar — Jonathan Little handles numerous lawsuits against Narconon, and was featured in yesterday’s blog post.

    So give the new complaint a look and let us know if you spot anything that strikes you as particularly interesting.

    Continued here:
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  20. Random guy Member

    Very nice to see this case being up and running! I wonder how Miscavige plan to wriggle out of this one?
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  21. failboat Member

    The new lawsuit still includes the clause about Miscavige's speech to Ruth Eckerd Hall, that was doxed earlier in this thread. (Yay!)


    And here's the excerpt from the speech by Miscavige -


    Some links for reference -

    This topic was originally discussed in this thread beginning from this post -
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  22. BigBeard Member

    About the only way I can see for Miss Cavige to get out of a deposition on this one is to start packing for that trip to Bulgravia.

  23. Narconon Rehab Centers sued by Certification Board for Trademark Infringement and Civil Conspiracy.

    Indiana Intellectual Property Blog: Narconon Rehab Centers sued by Certification Board for Trademark Infringement and Civil Conspiracy


    * * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

    Plaintiff, the National Association of Forensic Counselors, is a Certification Board providing nationally accredited certifications for professionals working with criminal offenders in the fields of criminal justice, corrections, addictions and mental health.

    Defendants (a long list, including numerous Narconon rehab centers and the Church of Scientology, is listed in the Complaint below) are alleged to have falsely claimed certification by Plaintiff. The Complaint includes a “Civil Conspiracy” claim, alleging that there was a common plan by all Defendants to intentionally falsely claim the certifications.

    * * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *
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  24. TorontosRoot Member

    Ohhh my, now how is scientology going to fight this one especially without any hard valid evidence to back up their deceptive claims? Hahahaha.
  25. Random guy Member

    They're going to do it like last time, by dead-agenting Karla Taylor's husband who started the NAFC.
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  26. TorontosRoot Member

    Those bloody bastards, and that will get them into even more trouble once that gets included in the case (if they do include it).
  27. Random guy Member

    Indeed. Here's what scientology did last time Karla Taylor sued them:

    Apparently, Taylor's husband Francis Deisler is a bit of a character. The clams appear to have dug up all dirt they could find on him and get a councillor license yanked. The above article looks to me like it's tailored to land him and NAFC in as much problems as possible, including a link to a complaints form. With evidence stacked against Narconon in court, this is probably the most productive avenue of defence available to them.

    I'd keep an eye on the authors of the above article, John Diedrich and Cary Spivak, to see if they are publishing more of the same.
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  29. TorontosRoot Member

    Gets me thinking if those names are aliases of OSA being used to write that and other articles that are slanderous, libel, defamation (especially if it links to freedumb or just dirt).
  30. Random guy Member

    Nah, they seem to be actual journalists, my guess is they were fed the story by the clams.
  31. TorontosRoot Member

    AhhhHhh maybe they should verify before publishing.
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  32. fishypants Moderator


    Any news on this particular lawsuit?
  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    NAFC names David Miscavige a witness in Scientology trial scheduled for October

    By Tony Ortega, June 7, 2016


    We talked yesterday with David Keesling, the attorney who is representing the National Association of Forensic Counselors. In 2014 the NAFC filed a massive, complex, and highly technical lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, its leader David Miscavige, and 80 other defendants associated with Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon.

    The NAFC accused Scientology of misusing the NAFC’s trademarks in a conspiracy aimed at making Narconon appear more legitimate than it actually is. NAFC president Karla Taylor initiated the lawsuit after she learned from former Narconon employees Lucas Catton and Eric Tenorio allegations that NAFC certifications for individual drug counselors were fraudulently obtained, and that Narconon’s websites misleadingly made use of the NAFC’s logo.

    Some of the defendants in the original lawsuit, including Miscavige, have managed to get themselves dropped from the suit. But as we explained earlier, Keesling plans to make Miscavige a defendant again in a refiled version of the lawsuit in a new venue. (The original lawsuit was filed in Oklahoma, where Scientology’s flagship rehab center, Narconon Arrowhead, is located. Keesling says Miscavige will be a defendant in a version of the lawsuit filed in Indiana, where the NAFC is located.)

    The original lawsuit now has an October 4 trial date in Oklahoma, and although Miscavige is no longer a defendant in it, both sides recently filed the lists of witnesses they plan to call during the trial, and on the list Keesling submitted for the NAFC, one of the names was David Miscavige.

    “Yeah, why not? I need his testimony,” Keesling said when we asked him about it.

    And if Miscavige fails to show?

    “Then they have a discovery problem. We’ll sue them in Los Angeles if we need to,” he responded.

    Keesling says that attorneys for both sides are currently in Fort Wayne, Indiana as the pre-trial action picks up. “We’ll be in depositions from now to August,” he says.

    The article, which includes the NAFC’s witness list, continues here:
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  34. fishypants Moderator

    Excellent. Clark Carr and Gary Smith also appear on that list, which is good to see.
  35. Random guy Member

    Looks like it can be an entertaining autumn.
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  36. This is by far my favorite lawsuit against the church, but unfortunately, it also seems to be the slowest to update. I'm hoping the pace picks up soon.
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  38. The Wrong Guy Member

    What’s the worst that can happen when you sue Scientology? Here’s one frightening example.

    By Tony Ortega, October 7, 2016


    It’s the kind of nightmare courtroom scenario that keeps all but a few lawyers from going near litigation with the Church of Scientology.

    On August 26, a woman who for two years has been suing numerous Scientology-connected people and entities was ordered by a federal district court to turn over the entire contents of her personal laptop hard drive to the people she was suing.

    Everything on her hard drive. Her personal emails with her own attorneys. Emails to her family members. Her personal photographs. Her personal medical records. Even photographs of her breasts that she had taken to document her fight against breast cancer.

    Gigabytes of intensely personal information and photos and passcodes, all handed over by a federal magistrate judge to the attorneys representing Scientology’s entities.

    And only after that ruling was made did the woman’s attorneys learn a barely believable additional detail. The judge who made that ruling? Before he became a judge in 2003, he had worked for the very law firm he turned the woman’s laptop over to, a law firm where his wife still works to this day.

    People occasionally tell us they want to sue the Church of Scientology. And we always ask them, do you have any idea what you’re in for?

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  39. The defendants' law firm employs the wife of the judge.

    Conflict of interest much?

    Judges are supposed to recognize conflicts like these, recuse themselves, or at the very least disclose the information and allow the parties to decide whether to petition for the removal of the judge.
  40. TorontosRoot Member

    This. I can't believe that actually happened. :( all her personal information, that was unjustified. Fair game.
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