Mary, thanks for all this interesting info, and for all your fantastic work at RftTP. I'm a bit confused about this: If his certification was expired and his website still showed him as certified when he wasn't in fact certified any more, then how was his certification 'not in question'? Maybe I'm confused and the pronoun 'his' is referring to someone other than Lee in one of those two sentences. If I were in NAFC's shoes then I'd go for maximum pain to everyone involved, not to get damages from them but to deter other people in the future from misusing or fraudulently NAFC's certifications. The reputation of its certifications is its strongest asset by far (so far as I know) so clearly NAFC would want anyone who in future is thinking of fraudulently claiming certification to believe that the NAFC will pursue them to the ends of the earth and sow the ground with salt behind them. IYSWIM. If NAFC lets anyone get the impression that they can claim certification fraudulently and expect anything other than the Ride of the Valkyries, then (IMO) the NAFC might as well close down their business today.