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  1. fishypants Moderator

    http://www.narcononuk DOT org/

    http://www.drugrehab DOT CO DOT uk/

    http://www.narconon DOT org/narconon-centers/united-kingdom.html



    That's exactly right.

    I don't know anything about Narconon Manchester. But it isn't Narconon London.
  2. Horseradish Member

    Yes, Narconon London.

    Is Narconon Manchester a company? What's the name of the company?
  3. Horseradish Member

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  4. fishypants Moderator

    Oh, lord yes.
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    Find one of their minor creditors, buy their debt for a pound. Don't accept.

    Money well spent!
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  6. Horseradish Member

    That 0800 number they use is a dead giveaway. Google the number and you come up with all the sites.

    Looks like Manchester is a Blogger site. And their email address is Hotmail. How tacky is that?

    But one thing across all sites:
    They are using the 'Narconon' (trust deed) charity number, 267386; but they are promoting their weirdo rehab, which is supposedly done by another organisation (Narconon London, charity number 1098004).
    I thought the scilon's argument to the Charity Commission was that in the UK Narconon charity (No. 267386) only did education???
    The sites are in effect promoting the sales activities of Narconon London, a 'different organisation' which is going down the pan, even though they claim to be owned/run by Narconon trust.
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  7. Random guy Member

    Hm. Whom should know about this? Narconon UK is down the drain, is there a chance to get them to pull Narconon London down with them?
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  8. Horseradish Member

    No, 'Narconon UK' is not down the drain. There would appear to be no entity called 'Narconon UK'.

    There are, or were, in the UK:

    Narconon (trust, England & Wales charity number 267386)

    Narconon London (company limited by guarantee 04305687, England & Wales charity number 1098004, currently going down the pan)

    Narconon Trust (not a trust but a company limited by guarantee 05546835, England & Wales charity number 1112230, claiming to be dormant)

    Narconon Scotland (Scottish company limited by guarantee SC232849, does not appear to be registered with the Scottish charities regulator, currently claiming to be dormant)

    Narconon Sussex (previously company limited by guarantee 05155860, dissolved in 2009)

    Narconon Manchester (private company with share capital, number 05480450, incorporated 2005, dissolved in 2006)

    Info above later edited to incorporate fresh findings.
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  9. Horseradish Member

    So 'Narconon Trust' is actually a limited company! not a trust.
    While 'Narconon' is a trust.

    More obfuscation.
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  10. Horseradish Member

    From the last set of accounts filed by Narconon London (for 2010!!!! these people are so overdue on their legal filings):

    Trustees
    Sheila MacLean RGN
    Michael Woodmansey

    Secretary Sheila MacLean RGN

    Charity number
    Company number
    1098004
    04305687

    Principal address
    Caple Ne Ferne
    2 Albany Road
    St Leonards on Sea
    West Sussex
    TN38 OLN

    Registered office
    42-44 Copthorne Road
    Felbridge
    East Grinstead
    RH19 2NS
    West Sussex

    Auditors
    Derek Field and Co.
    37 High Street
    East Grinstead
    West Sussex
    RH19 3AF

    Bankers
    National Westminster Bank Pic
    15 London Road
    East Grinstead
    West Sussex
    RH19 1GP

    Solicitors
    Hodkin and Company
    42-44 Copthorne Road
    Felbridge
    East Grinstead
    RH19 2NS
    West Sussex

    Their registered address has changed since then:

    MS SHEILA MARY MACLEAN
    1 BRITANNIA ROAD
    LONDON
    E14 3RG

    Tel: 020 7929 7992
    Email: drugeduk at drug-education.co.uk

    The website they claim as their own is drugrehab dot co dot uk [WARNING: CULT WEBSITE]

    Michael Woodmansey is better known as former Bowie drummer Woody Woodmansey.
    He only seems to use the name 'Michael' for the Charity Commission and Companies House purposes.

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/w/woody-woodmansey.html
    He seems to have really upped his cult course completions recently.

    And as a trustee of both Narconon London (only 2 trustees now), and Narconon (4 trustees), he's still clearly dedicated to the scilon cause.

    He became a scilon in 1973. I now regret having paid good money for certain records back in the day, which no doubt has ended up in scilon coffers.
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  11. Horseradish Member

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  12. Horseradish Member

    Domain names:

    Domain name:
    narcononuk.co.uk

    Registrant:
    Narconon International

    Registrant type:
    Unknown

    Registrant's address:
    4652 Hollywood Blvd
    Los Angeles
    California
    90027
    United States

    Registrar:
    GoDaddy.com, LLP. [Tag = GODADDY]

    Relevant dates:
    Registered on: 08-Nov-2008
    Expiry date: 08-Nov-2014
    Last updated: 25-Oct-2012

    Registration status:
    Registered until expiry date.

    Name servers:
    ns1.tvwfc.co.uk 78.129.233.151
    ns2.tvwfc.co.uk 109.169.47.7

    WHOIS lookup made at 13:55:59 02-Mar-2013

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    This next one is the Narconon site:

    Domain name:
    drug-education.co.uk

    Registrant:
    Narconon Drug Education

    Registrant type:
    Unknown

    Registrant's address:
    Vigilant House
    120 Wilton Road
    London
    England
    SW1V 1JZ
    United Kingdom

    Registrar:
    TUCOWS Inc [Tag = TUCOWS-CA]
    URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com

    Relevant dates:
    Registered on: 18-Oct-2003
    Expiry date: 18-Oct-2013
    Last updated: 27-Oct-2011

    Registration status:
    Registered until expiry date.

    Name servers:
    ns1.mdnsservice.com
    ns2.mdnsservice.com
    ns3.mdnsservice.com

    WHOIS lookup made at 14:01:15 02-Mar-2013
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    This next one is the Narconon London site:

    Domain name:
    drugrehab.co.uk

    Registrant:
    Amazing Internet Ltd

    Registrant type:
    UK Limited Company, (Company number: 4042957)

    Registrant's address:
    69 Strathmore Road
    Teddington
    Middlesex
    TW11 8UH
    United Kingdom

    Registrar:
    TUCOWS Inc [Tag = TUCOWS-CA]
    URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com

    Relevant dates:
    Registered on: 16-Mar-2004
    Expiry date: 16-Mar-2014
    Last updated: 06-Mar-2012

    Registration status:
    Registered until expiry date.

    Name servers:
    ns1.tvwfc.co.uk 78.129.233.151
    ns2.tvwfc.co.uk 109.169.47.7

    WHOIS lookup made at 14:02:42 02-Mar-2013

    -----------------------------------------

    Domain name:
    drug-rehabs.org.uk

    Registrant:
    narconon southern california inc.

    Trading as:
    narconon southern california inc.

    Registrant type:
    Unknown

    Registrant's address:
    1810 W. Oceanfront Ave, ,
    Newport Beach
    CA
    92663
    United States

    Registered through:
    Network Solutions, LLC
    URL: http://www.networksolutions.com

    Registrar:
    Key-Systems GmbH t/a NETWORKSOLUTIONS [Tag = NETWORKSOLUTIONS]
    URL: http://www.networksolutions.com

    Relevant dates:
    Registered on: 13-Sep-2005
    Expiry date: 13-Sep-2013
    Last updated: 14-Oct-2011

    Registration status:
    Registered until expiry date.

    Name servers:
    ns.rackspace.com
    ns2.rackspace.com

    WHOIS lookup made at 14:18:27 02-Mar-2013


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    Domain ID:D163151949-LROR
    Domain Name: NARCONONUK.ORG
    Created On:26-Aug-2011 21:27:09 UTC
    Last Updated On:11-Aug-2012 21:21:54 UTC
    Expiration Date:26-Aug-2013 21:27:09 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID:CR91588265
    Registrant Name: Registration Private
    Registrant Organization:Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
    Registrant Street2:14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:Scottsdale
    Registrant State/Province:Arizona
    Registrant Postal Code:85260
    Registrant Country:US
    Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
    Registrant Phone Ext.:
    Registrant FAX:+1.4806242598
    Registrant FAX Ext.:
    Registrant Email:NARCONONUK.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
    Admin ID:CR91588269
    Admin Name: Registration Private
    Admin Organization:Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Admin Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
    Admin Street2:14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
    Admin Street3:
    Admin City:Scottsdale
    Admin State/Province:Arizona
    Admin Postal Code:85260
    Admin Country:US
    Admin Phone:+1.4806242599
    Admin Phone Ext.:
    Admin FAX:+1.4806242598
    Admin FAX Ext.:
    Admin Email:NARCONONUK.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
    Tech ID:CR91588267
    Tech Name: Registration Private
    Tech Organization:Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Tech Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
    Tech Street2:14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
    Tech Street3:
    Tech City:Scottsdale
    Tech State/Province:Arizona
    Tech Postal Code:85260
    Tech Country:US
    Tech Phone:+1.4806242599
    Tech Phone Ext.:
    Tech FAX:+1.4806242598
    Tech FAX Ext.:
    Tech Email:NARCONONUK.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
    Name Server:NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    Name Server:NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    Name Server:
    DNSSEC:Unsigned

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    [THIS NEXT ONE IS PETER DWAN'S SITE]

    Overview for drug-lecture.org

    Registrant Contact Information:
    Name: Registration Private
    Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Address 1: DomainsByProxy.com
    Address 2: 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    City: Scottsdale
    State: Arizona
    Zip: 85260
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.4806242599
    Fax: +1.4806242598
    Email:
    [IMG]
    @domainsbyproxy.com

    Administrative Contact Information:
    Name: Registration Private
    Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Address 1: DomainsByProxy.com
    Address 2: 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    City: Scottsdale
    State: Arizona
    Zip: 85260
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.4806242599
    Fax: +1.4806242598
    Email:
    [IMG]
    @domainsbyproxy.com

    Technical Contact Information:
    Name: Registration Private
    Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
    Address 1: DomainsByProxy.com
    Address 2: 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    City: Scottsdale
    State: Arizona
    Zip: 85260
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.4806242599
    Fax: +1.4806242598
    Email:
    [IMG]
    @domainsbyproxy.com


    Information Updated: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:11:35 UTC


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  13. Random guy Member

    Good Xenu, what an incestous bunch! So, Narconon London is going down, who need to know what to pull what down with them? Sorry for my retardedness.
  14. Horseradish Member

    So...

    1. The domain names with 'NarcononUK' in them are NOT registered by any of the Narconons in the UK.

    2. And the domain names withOUT 'NarcononUK' in them, that don't even mention Narconon, are registered by Narconons in the UK.

    Simples. :confused:
    Scilon-shit 101: turn everything upside-down and inside-out.

    Those private registrations look suspect. How can you be trading with a private registration?
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  15. Domain name:
    drugrehab.co.uk

    Registrant:
    Amazing Internet Ltd

    Registrant type:
    UK Limited Company, (Company number: 4042957)

    Registrant's address:
    69 Strathmore Road
    Teddington
    Middlesex
    TW11 8UH
    United Kingdom

    ^^ This is Andrew Skirrow's company
    He is married to Lucy Skirrow ED Narconon?
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  16. THIS NARCONON MANCHESTER?
  17. Horseradish Member

    Ahah. Andrew Skirrow is a trustee of Narconon too.
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  18. NARCONON MANCHESTER LIMITED
    Company Register

    Status Company is dissolved
    Registered date 14/06/2005
    Company number 05480450
    Type Private limited with Share Capital
    Country of registration GB
    Previous Names

    No previous names.
    Company Accounts

    Category Type Not Available
    Date filed up to Not filed
    Next due date 14/03/2007
    Year end date -
    Auditor Name Not provided
    Annual Returns

    Date filed up to Not filed
    - See more at: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05480450#sthash.mO3eGrb0.dpuf
    Registered Address

    9 Haydock Ave, Sale, Manchester, M33 4gg
    - See more at: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05480450#sthash.mO3eGrb0.dpuf
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  19. Horseradish Member

    Ah, well done. I failed to check older dissolved companies.
    The company didn't last for long:

    2013-03-02_18-43-24.jpg
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  20. Horseradish Member

    They would probably have sex with their grandmothers if it got them over the Bridge :D
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  21. Horseradish Member

    Back to Narconon and Narconon London trustee Sheila MacLean RGN, or Nurse Sheila.
    Sheila MacLean is one of just 2 trustees at the failing Narconon London, and one of 4 at Narconon.

    In her other life she hangs out at:

    Pulse Light Clinic
    http://www.pulselightclinic.co.uk/about-us
    where she is the owner.
    Looking at Companies House records: she's been operating for 2.5 years but still no accounts filed: first company was dissolved not having filed any statutory returns, and then she re-established a new company under a slightly different name, and then later changed the name back to the original name. Smells ultra-scammy.

    and
    City Hair Removal
    http://www.cityhairremoval.com/about-us
    which appears to be the same trio operating under a different name.

    Nurse Sheila has a fan club in scilon actress Rebecca Grant, who's posted Nurse Sheila PR on her own website.
    http://rebeccagrant-official.blogspot.co.uk/2011_09_01_archive.html
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  22. Random guy Member

    They would probably self-pollinate if they thought it would help them.
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  23. fishypants Moderator

    Can we sticky this info somewhere? Because I for one find this pretty fucking confusing.
  24. Horseradish Member

    Correction: They would probably have sex with their grandmothers if they thought it would get them up the Bridge. There is of course no such thing as the Bridge.
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  25. Horseradish Member

    Mmm, I'm starting to think it belongs in a big fat table. Matched up with the websites, with names of trustees, with regulatory returns top-level info...
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  26. Horseradish Member

    [snip]

    2013-03-02_21-12-41.jpg


    This is interesting.

    "For information about Narconon in the UK" is not the registered website for any UK Narconon (see domain names post).

    Then below is a claim to be a UK registered charity, using the charity registration number for 'Narconon trust-the-one-that-just does-education'.

    I strongly suspect that the domain name given is controlled by Narconon International, but as they are hiding behind a 'private' registration, difficult to determine.
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  27. fishypants Moderator

    http://www.narcononuk DOT org/



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  28. DeathHamster Member

    That's pretty much the smoking finger. If Amazing Internet has any non-Scientologist clients, I'd be amazed. (Well no, surely they must have one or two by accident?)
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  29. Anonymous Member

    Amazing Internet Director Andrew Skirrow (celebrity centre) Company Sec Lucy Skirrow (director Narconon)

    Clients include:

    Grays of Westminster

    The worlds most prestigious camera shop
    www dot graysofwestminster dot co dot uk
    "They are perhaps unique in delivering a product which not only matches your requirements but thanks to their technical knowledge & artistic ability they consistently exceed it. What better recommendation can I give?"
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  30. ME TOO

    Horseradish "Correction: They would probably have sex with their grandmothers if they thought it would get them up the Bridge. There is of course no such thing as the Bridge." so few scn left they probably have to:eek:

    So Scientology London owes lots of money and is going down, that one is the Narconon rehab in Sussex which is now closed.
    Narconon Manchester which is going into schools in Devon and Cornwall was dissolved in 2007/8
  31. Horseradish Member

    What seems to be keeping the whole show on the road is the continued existence (and non-dormancy) of 'Narconon' the trust, charity number 267386. They are using this number all over, and this outfit continues to have some-but-reducing income, and is paying commission, presumably to ABLE.
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  32. Horseradish Member

    Also, what has happened in Scotland? Is that still going?
  33. evol ulla eb Member

    I would have sex with their grandmothers without the bridge. As an act of benevolence (/compassion).
  34. Anonymous Member

    can we get evidence that money is going to ABLE?
  35. jensting Member

    This any use? http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk...steredCharityNumber=267386&SubsidiaryNumber=0

    Oooh, lookit the red "DOCUMENTS OVERDUE"

    I guess you change the number in the URL. (Yes, I know, what I'm pointing to is unlikely to be news, but on the slim chance ;) )
  36. Anonymous Member

    The data revealed at the link posted is worthy of some careful review, for anyone that hasn't yet done so.

    http://www dot drug-education dot co dot uk/ is an interesting relic from 2008, or so it appears to be.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Peter Dwan's website:
    http://www.mypinkbugatti.com/p/drug-lecture-in-book.html
    All Rights Reserved. © Copyright 2012 Narconon. Registered Charity Number 267386. Correspondence address: 30 Newchapel Road, Lingfield. Surrey RH7 6BG. NARCONON and the NARCONON logo are trademarks and service marks owned by Association for Better Living and Education International and are used with its permission.
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  38. Anonymous Member

    bingo:
    ABLE (association for Better Living):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Better_Living_and_Education
    ABLE acts as an umbrella organization for five entities:[4]
    ABLE and its groups were included in the 1993 closing agreement between the IRS and the Church of Scientology, and are classified as "Scientology-related entities".[6]


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  39. Horseradish Member

    1. The accounts for Narconon (the trust) list "Commission" under General Support Costs. It's one of the bigger expenses each year.
    BUT there is no further explanation of this head in the notes to the accounts.

    General Support Costs - Commission:
    1,464 (YE 31/12/2011)
    3,473 (YE 2010)
    2,869 (YE 2009)
    4,386 (YE 2008)
    5,853 (YE 2007)
    1,583 (YE 2006)

    It clearly goes up and down with income, but hard to put an exact percentage on it: we don't on which precise figure it's based, from which year (e.g. that year, previous year).

    Narconon is a trust. And trusts file accounts according to charity law, not company law.
    "The accounts have been prepared in accordance with the accounting policies set out in note 1 to the accounts
    and comply with the charity's governing document, the Charities Act 1993 and the Charities (Accounts and
    Reports) Regulations 2008." [From the 2011 accounts of Narconon.]
    I think company law would require the disclosure of 'related party' transactions. (Who, how much.) But I betcha the scilons would argue that ABLE is not a related party.

    2. The accounts of Narconon London merely have a large number 'General Support Costs' without any breakdown.
    e.g. General Support Costs 61,049 (2010); 61,577 (2009)

    3. There are statements here there and everywhere from Narconon that Narconon is a trademark of ABLE and the name is used with permission, including on UK Narconon dox posted above in this thread.

    4. There are scilon dox somewhere (???) that say that Narconons pay x% of their gross income to ABLE.


    The Independent Examiners for Narconon, and auditors for Narconon London, are:

    Derek Field and Co.
    37 High Street
    East Grinstead
    West Sussex
    RH19 3AF

    D B N Field FCA (Senior Statutory Auditor)
    for and on behalf of Derek Field and Co.
    Chartered Accountants
    Statutory Auditor
    37 High Street
    East Grinstead
    West Sussex
    RH19 3AF

    Is this a scilon firm? Is Mr Derek Field a scilon?
    It would appear so

    Derek Field in Scientology's Published Service Completion Lists

    The following 3 individual completions for Derek Field appear in official Scientology publications:
    Derek Field L 11 RUNDOWN EXPANDED Source 64 1988-11-01
    Derek Field OT ELIGIBILITY Auditor UK 319 2004-07-01
    Derek Field SOLO I Advance UK 199 2010-09-01


    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/d/derek-field.html

    So his first loyalty will be to the scilons, not to accountancy, company law, charity law, truth, or the rule of law in general.
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  40. Horseradish Member

    Thanks, I was forgetting that one.

    Interesting he's using the same charity number, the one for 'Narconon the trust'. But a different address.

    So Peter Dwan also used 'privacy protecting' domain name registration service for mypinkbugatti.com...
    Though not the same one.


    WHOIS information for mypinkbugatti.com:***

    [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
    [Redirected to whois.enom.com]
    [Querying whois.enom.com]
    [whois.enom.com]
    =-=-=-=
    Visit AboutUs.org for more information about mypinkbugatti.com



    Domain name: mypinkbugatti.com

    Registrant Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent ()

    Fax:
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O mypinkbugatti.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Administrative Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent (jwwwjlwlm@whoisprivacyprotect.com)
    +1.4252740657
    Fax: +1.4259744730
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O mypinkbugatti.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Technical Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent (jwwwjlwlm@whoisprivacyprotect.com)
    +1.4252740657
    Fax: +1.4259744730
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O mypinkbugatti.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Status: Locked

    Name Servers:
    dns1.name-services.com
    dns2.name-services.com
    dns3.name-services.com
    dns4.name-services.com
    dns5.name-services.com

    Creation date: 18 Oct 2012 10:43:00
    Expiration date: 18 Oct 2013 02:43:00

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