Narconon-Scientology Physician

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by Intelligence, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. Pique Member

    The site looks wonderful Intelligence.
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  2. xenubarb Member

    If I've given you anything, feel free to use my name. I want them to know I'm coming for them in Cali.
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  3. Sponge Member

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  4. Anonymous Member

    David DeMoss has revealed quite a bit about his time working for the narconobs. Anything useful for you there, David?
  5. Intelligence Member

    Link me to the info please? Thank you :)

  6. grebe Member

    Here's what David DeMoss posted here a few days ago:

  7. Anonymous Member

    Intelligence I went through the Demoss thread and in the interests of saving you from having to scan through that very messy thread, I pulled out these posts (one already linked by grebe above)

    Some information from his facebook page

    He arrives at WWP

    Likes the Purif

    Talks about ensuring adequate medical checks

    His short-form sci history
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  8. Intelligence Member

    Thank you for this ^^^^^ :):):)

  9. BigBeard Member


    It doesn't matter what's taken with it, massive doses of niacin are going to cause problems, period.

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  10. xenubarb Member

    Hubbardian quackery. "Flanking vitamins," that's a tossed out bit of crap. Practicing medicine without a license fucks up people's lives. It should be stopped, but it won't until the mother ship is dismantled, thoroughly peed upon and buried deep.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    Vitamins stay in the blood stream. Adding niacin earlier or later makes no difference. There is no vitamin that "protects" against a niacin overdose. Large doses of niacin are accentuated by the hypotension caused by the high temperatures in a sauna.
    Large doses of niacin require a physician's oversight.
    No matter how many times the woo woo science is stated it's still bullshit.
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  12. Intelligence Member

    I agree. But how do we/I get their undivided attention? Aside from chaining oneself to
    the doors of government or parliament front doors (it has crossed my mind), what do/can
    we do except continue on status quo? "Kick it up a notch?" I do have a few notches and upper
    gears left, but not many.

    A news/promoter from the USA contacted me at work today and we'll see where it goes. I monitor
    our adversaries web presence all through each day and the last three days, it seems like they're
    on another push,..., - - guess we'll have to push back again.

  13. telomere Member

  14. Intelligence Member


    College of Physicians Quebec renders discipline decision concerning Narconon Trois-Rivieres physician. No fines or licence suspension, but ban on associating with Narconon stands. "After consulting experts, the College determined that Narconon Trois-Rivieres is treating patients with methods not recognized in current medical literature." Additional investigations are ongoing.

    Because the College of Physicians is a private entity and not overseen by government, the Ombudsman can not be called in. However, the inquiry continues into NN TR and other COS entities "Practicing Medicine Without a Licence" is ongoing in Quebec and there is a Formal Complaint against two Physicians in Ontario who participate and promote NN TR and other Narconons.

    Because Canada Health and Provincial Health Agencies are responsible financially, I will lobby these agencies.

    If these pro Narconon/Purif Rundown physicians are billing our health system for pre-Purif exams, the COS physicians will have to answer to these billings.

    Will be contacting politicians who oversee and are responsible for monitoring.

    PRESS RELEASE within days.

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  15. Anonymous Member


    happy stat day COS!
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  16. Intelligence Member

    LOL,..., six (6) minutes to go before 2:00pm Thursday:)

  17. xenubarb Member

    I don't get it. This "medical professional" consigns vulnerable people to dangerous quackery, and all he gets is banned from associating?
    Weak, man. Weak.
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  18. Anonymous Member

    It's a good thing that the physician was not punished. He was the lowest man on the totem pole and Narconon would have pointed to him as the problem.
    Of course the exams are being billed to the health system! A physical exam is a physical exam so I doubt the physician has to reimburse unless the physical exam was flawed. If treatment was based on the exam ( the patient was &quot;cleared&quot; for Purif) it's more evidence the doctor was giving substandard care. Bet you can bring this up again in another arena.
    Thanks for all this work David.
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  19. Anonymous Member

    The proof of medical malpractice is based on little gems like that. I'll pm you if you want help with strategy.
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  20. DeathHamster Member

    In Quebec, in 1976, I had to get an exam with paperwork to attend an Air Cadet course. For that I had to pay, rather than the province.
  21. grebe Member

    The medical profession today isn't going to fight the public, and the public want their vitamins and detox.

    Quack supplements and therapies are cash money right up front for many struggling hospitals and clinics. Mr. MBA, MPH, CEO, a dynamic health systems leader with a passion for the transformation of meaningless vague language oh fuck why must I read this marketing shit, isn't going to walk away from that income stream unless he or she is made to feel ashamed for promoting nonsense to the public.

    A lot of quackery has an MLM behind it. So maybe something could be done about that. MLMs are bad.
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  22. Pique Member

    Are you referring to a Canadian example because if so I'd like some details.
  23. grebe Member

    Teaching hospitals in the US all have departments of quackademic medicine aka integrative medicine.

    Copypasta list of some examples, one at U Alberta:
    1. The Cleveland Clinic
    2. The Richard and Hinda Rosenthal Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, Columbia University
    3. Cornell University Center for Complementary and Integrative Medicine
    4. The Continuum Center for Health and Healing, Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University
    5. Duke Integrative Medicine
    6. Henry Ford Health System (affiliated with the University of Michigan)
    7. Georgetown University Medical Center (discussed here)
    8. Harvard Medical School Osher Institute, Division for Research and Education in Complementary and Integrative Medicine
    9. Jefferson-Myrna Brind Center of Integrative Medicine, Thomas Jefferson University
    10. Mayo Clinic Complementary and Integrative Medicine Program
    11. Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
    12. MindBody Patient Care Program, New York University
    13. Integrative Medicine Program, Children’s Memorial Hospital (Northwestern University)
    14. Northwestern Memorial Physicians Group Center for Integrative Medicine (Northwestern University)
    15. Beaumont Hospitals Integrative Medicine Program, Oakland University
    16. The Ohio State University Center for Integrative Medicine
    17. Oregon Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine in Neurologic Disorders, Oregon Health and Science University (Also, the OHSU Center for Women’s Health Integrative Medicine Program)
    18. Scripps Center for Integrative Medicine
    19. Stanford Center for Integrative Medicine
    20. Complementary & Alternative Research and Education Program, University of Alberta (pediatrics, yet!)
    21. University of Arizona Program in Integrative Medicine
    22. Susan Samueli Center for Integrative Medicine, University of California, Irvine
    23. University of California at Los Angeles Collaborative Centers for Integrative Medicine
    24. Osher Center for Integrative Medicine, University of California, San Francisco
    25. University of Colorado
    26. University of Connecticut Health Center (where a “debate” about homeopathy was recently held)
    27. Department of Integrative Medicine, Hartford Hospital, University of Connecticut
    28. University of Maryland Center for Integrative Medicine
    29. The Integrative Care Project, University of Kentucky Colleges of Medicine and Health Sciences
    30. University of Massachusetts Medical School Center for Mindfulness
    31. Institute for Complementary & Alternative Medicine, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ-ICAM)
    32. University of Michigan Medical School
    33. University of Minnesota Center for Spirituality and Healing
    34. University of New Mexico School of Medicine, Section of Integrative Medicine
    35. Program on Integrative Medicine, University of North Carolina
    36. PENNCAM, University of Pennsylvania
    37. Center for Integrative Medicine, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
    38. University of Texas Medical Branch Complementary & Alternative Medicine Project
    39. University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center Integrative Medicine Program
    40. University of Washington School of Medicine Integrative health Program
    41. University of Wisconsin Integrative Medicine (whose webpages seem to have been deleted but still come up when a search is done using the University web page’s search engine; what this means is unclear)
    42. Vanderbilt Center for Integrative Health
    43. Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center Program for Holistic and Integrative Medicine
    44. Center for Integrative Medicine at the George Washington University Medical Center
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  24. grebe Member

    From U Alberta link above. See if you can spot the seriously bullshitty part:

    Ok I maded it bold for teh easy.

    tl;dr: The plan is to get some high quality evidence for CAM therapies and products. Meanwhile, buy our vitamins and try our Reiki.

    2003 was like 9 years ago. Wonder how that "high quality evidence" thing is going. Probably we'll have it ...real soon.
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  25. Pique Member

    OMGosh grebe, I hope preparing an answer to my question didn't take you away from something important!
    The reason I asked is because the medical system in Canada doesn't tend to financially reward hospitals and clinics for the provision of non-insured services, like perhaps in other countries. But thanks, I'll have a look at the Canadian example (#20, if anyone else is looking for it on grebe's list) :)
  26. Aurora Member

    Reiki is scary sh*t, but seems to be accepted almost as much as TM did in its heyday. A woman I know claimed Reiki taught her how to "beam" herself through a highway tunnel at a border crossing, right after 9/11.
  27. Pique Member

    Out patient program is on hiatus, looks like they lost their funding Program.aspx
    In-patient program is a pilot Program.aspx
    (bold mine)
    I'll be interested in seeing the results of this study.
    There is a list of funders/poon targets if anyone so wishes
  28. grebe Member

    Yeah don't hold your breath. Notice they don't even tell you what CAM therapy they're going to study.
  29. Intelligence Member

    Just Landed in Vancouver, British Columbia:)

    USA & Canada health systems are completely different. I would be totally bald now, pulling
    out my hair with having to tackle each separate State Laws. Must be a nightmare.

    Narconon and the COS in Canada could not; can not; and will NOT be able to prove that the Narconon
    Program is safe. In fact, the College in Quebec is well aware of the dangers. The difference in Canada/Quebec,
    as compared to the USA, is that we don't have private health insurance companies. We the tax payers, pay
    for ALL costs in patient care. Our health care system covers every single individual in Canada.

    So if some "Snake Oil Quack" comes along and causes more harm than good, our system will put a stop to it.

    AND when the Human Rights Commission, the Ministry of Health and Social Services, Canada Competition Bureau,
    Revenue Canada, Canada Justice Department, and Health Canada get finished with these physicians who are also
    scientologists and promote the Purif, as well as Narconon ABLE Canada, and the COS, they are going to wonder
    what the hell hit them.

    They may think they are untouchable and can fight off most investigations, but 2012 is going to be a year
    of RECKONING for the COS CULT in Canada.

    2011 was just setting the stage for battle; now it's time in 2012 for them to face Canada/Quebec Justice.

    Having the Scilon physician banned was just a warm up - - time to turn up the heat - -

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  30. HellRazor Member

    Yes, I too am disappoint that the Quebec College of Physicians did not penalize the Narconon T-R doctor. However, by banning him from associating with Narconon sets a precident (bad for Narconon). By extension, no physician in Quebec will be allowed to associate with Narconon's quackery. NN has effectively lost any physician validation for their program. Also its victims cannot be "medically supervised" in Quebec; they cannot be cleared for the Purif by a Quebec physician. So after thinking more about this, I'd call it a win.

    Can't wait to see what happens in Ontario...
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  31. Pique Member

    Good analysis.
  32. Intelligence Member

    Yes, if you look at the whole picture here in Quebec, with the Ministry of Health and Social Services inquiry into
    whether or not to Certify NN TR as a treatment center that meets specific regulation requirements, it's is a nice win.

    ALL addiction centers in Quebec must be Certified now. With the College decision that the NN TR center does not
    treat patients as per; &quot;not recognized in current medical literature&quot;, NN TR is doomed, (in my opinion).


    If the Ministry did Certify NN TR, they may be libel for any mishaps at this cult center; especially now that they are
    well aware of the College decision. Andre Ahern and the COS law firm is working over time to fight us on all fronts,
    but since they can't adjust or squirrel the Tech, they're screwed big time. Doesn't matter how they try to &quot;Spin&quot; the
    facts or attack me as a hate crime specialist or disgruntled employee, the facts stand firm.

    I don't know why they chose Andre Ahern as their &quot;Front Man' for all of this, his cerdibility is weak and he himself is
    being investigated.

    Andre Ahern: (100% scientologist - stats man &amp; my &quot;Product Clearing&quot; supervisor - patients are classed as &quot;Products&quot; for stats)

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  33. Intelligence Member

    Looks like this was dumped:

  34. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I am looking forward to the findings. We can use them in the US when contacting sate officials. While I do get that it is from a foreign body there are some really important factors. One, it is their peers making the finding. Two, if a government body spent resources to investigate then that is a red flag that they should too. Three, if the abuse was going on there it might be going on here too, best to look in to it.
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  35. xenubarb Member

    California is quite clear:

    For some reason, Narconon is licensed. Is it time yet?
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  36. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I have to ask, licensed what? They do not provide medical treatment of any kind so who gives them a license for detox treatment?
  37. Anonymous Member

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  38. Anonymous Member

    Somewhere in WWP there is a thread showing exactly which California official to contact but I'll be godamnned if I can find it now.
  39. xenubarb Member

    Licensed to operate as a rehab facility. All rehab facilities must be licensed by the state.
  40. Anonymous Member

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