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Narconon of Oklahoma Inc 2010 IRS 990 Tax Returns

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  1. patriot75 Member

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    Gary W. Smith, CCDCExecutive Director
    Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor

    Gerald D. Wootan, D.O., M.Ed.
    Medical Director

    Michael J. Gosselin, CCDC
    Deputy Executive Director
    Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor

    Kathy Gosselin, CCDC
    Senior Director for Production
    Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor

    Ryan Thorpe, CCDC
    Senior Director for Expansion
    Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor

    Michael St Amand, CCDC
    Director of Legal Affairs
    Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor

    http://stopaddiction[dot com]com/in...Certified-Chemical-Dependency-Counselors.html
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  5. BigBeard Member

    Certified by who??

    BigBeard
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  6. patriot75 Member

    "On June 28, 1996, the Board of Indian Appeals received a letter from Mike St. Amand,
    Legal Director of the Narconon Chilocco New Life center. Mr. St. Amand states that he is
    "seeking an opinion from the Board of Indian Appeals * * * regarding the time period in which
    to cure a default of a lease that is supervised by the Bureau of Indian Affairs." He further states
    that Narconon is lessee under a lease of the former Chilocco Indian School lands and that BIA
    has demanded payment of rent determined to be owing in a 1994 audit conducted by the office
    of the Inspector General. His letter continues:
    Narconon has consistently taken the position that there is no unpaid rent
    owing. BIA officials claim there is still unpaid rent and on June 19, 1996, the
    Pawnee Superintendent declared Narconon to be in default and cancelled its lease.
    This matter is now being appealed through the Anadarko Area Office and may
    ultimately be formally filed with the Board of Indian Appeals if no relief is
    obtained at Anadarko."
    http://www.oha.doi.gov/IBIA/IbiaDecisions/29ibia/29ibia234.PDF
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  7. patriot75 Member

    Thats the question of the day, I have been working on that question for about a year....No straight answers.
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  9. BigBeard Member

    According to http://stopaddiction <dot> com/index.php/Results/Accreditation-Credentials/ Gary W. Smith was certified by something called the "National Board of Addiction Examiners". There's no date I can see on the certificate listed on the web page. In fact it's a small, very difficult to read scan.

    There's a thread over on Clam Bake with some interesting things to say about the NBAE at:
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=12634

    Don't have time to dig any deeper right now.

    BigBeard
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  10. Anonymous Member

    Thanks, BB, your participation is appreciated! <3
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  11. Intelligence Member

    I think their Legal Expenses are going to be much higher in their 2011 report.

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  12. patriot75 Member

    This is what I am coming up with:
    http://www.asam.org/
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  13. Missfit Member

    As far as I can tell the National Board of Addiction Examiners isn't real. The closest thing I can come up with is the National Association of Forensic Counselors which offers certification for addiction specialties. Looks like you can be a member for a fee but that does not mean you have a certification. There are also levels of membership with requirements as low as
    • Must be a student in the field of criminal justice, counseling, psychology, social work, addictions, sociology, etc.
    • Students must meet NAFC certification requirements to become certified after obtaining degree
    • No examination required
    read moar here: www.nationalafc dot com
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  14. Missfit Member

    furthermore, apparently you can have a non- clinical certification with less than a masters degree and/ or do not meet the clinical certification requirements. So basically, joe schmoe with a degree in psychology who works at a treatment center can be certified, just on the basis of it being non- clinical. That's just ridiculous.
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  15. Thanks, Old thread is old (2003) but has some good info:


    There's also some funny bahh in the thread by (presumably) an ex about how Narconon is the bestest front group going because it gets people off drugs. I'd love to know their 2012 stance after all the recent deaths.
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  16. Missfit Member

    Ok, So I have confirmed that the agency used to certify these folks is the National Association of Forensic Counselor as per the president signature on a certificate on the friends of narcanon site and the president name on the NAFC site. HOWEVER, there is absolutely zero mention of any National Board of Addiction Examiners anywhere that I can find. Also on the two different diplomas they have uploaded on the web ( that look totally different mind you) the presidents name is different.

    I'm going to try and look deeper into this, I'm of the opinion that these people have absolutely zero credentials to be running a facility like this ( duh) and are falsely posting this shit on their site to look more professional.
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  17. eddieVroom Member

    600fullquincymeartwork.jpg

    explains quite a bit, actually...
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  18. Anonymous Member

    Anyway we can get some higher res copies of these documents? Also, PM me I have a few ideas about this.
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  19. Pique Member

    Not possible Ms/Mr. Anonymous.
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  20. nightfire Member

    LOL sorry force of habit ;)
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  21. Missfit Member

    I don't know where else to post this so I will post it here:

    The law regarding people who need to be certified or licensed are people who are in direct contact with patients in a therapy sense. This would include people running the detox, leading rec groups or therapy, case supervisors and the like. No where in the law ( O.S. Title 43B Mental health law) to my knowledge, does it state anything about residential staff. http://www.okdrugcounselors.org/download.php/1/Title 59 Amended.pdf

    From my personal experience, although in the state of Utah, the residential staff just had to follow the workplace code of conduct but did not have to have a degree or specialized training besides CPR and the like ( for insurance reasons) and I am unable to find anything regarding OK law on that.

    Now like I said before, in order to be certified you don't have to have much training or an extensive background but to be fully licensed as a rehab counselor you have to go through over 4000 clinical hours with supervision on top of having a masters in behavioral science....As it stands from their board of directors and staff listed not one of them besides the Dr. has the ability to be licensed and you would imagine that if he was they would boast about that on their site. The Dr. seems to be a GP with no records of history with addiction medicine.

    This is going to sound silly but do they have a psychiatrist on staff at all? Or a psychologist? Since they don;t seem to have anyone licensed in addiction counseling, it stands to reason they do not have a sufficient staff to make co-diagnoses of other types of mental illness along with the addiction component and from what I understood ( please correct me in I'm wrong here) but the law states that someone needs to be available to make that co-diagnoses, someone trained in it.

    moreover, there is part of the law that states each individual must have a personalized master treatment plan, discussing all diagnoses with DSM verification ( this is for insurance) and an outlined, detailed plan on how to deal with all the things covered. It seems to me that if every single person had the same treatment plan for different conditions that would stand out as a huge problem to any kind of medical board. You cannot treat heroin addiction the same way you treat cocaine addiction, it's just absurd.


    That's all I've got, Hope it was slightly helpful.
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  22. BigBeard Member

    Archeology is fun! :D

    BigBeard
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  23. As usual, it's a goose chase.The National Board of Addiction Examiners (NBAE) is part of the National Association of Forensic Counselors (NAFC), which is actually called Sunrise Homes, which was actually dissolved in 1998. It looks like they've had the website since 1996 and it expires in 2016. So it might just be there to look legit.


    NBAE = NAFC = SUNRISE (dissolved)

    The players:

    Karla Deisler website (contact)
    Francis J. Deisler (President)
    Donald Lytle (secretary)
    Robert S. Bechert (attny)

    Admin dissolution definition: Involuntary cessation of the existence of a corporation by a government authority. It is prompted usually by the corporation's failure to comply with certain statutory requirements such as to file an annual return or pay its taxes.



    National Association of Forensic Counselors (NAFC)

    domain search: www.nationalafc.com/ (WARNING POSSIBLE SCI LINK)

    Registrant:
    National Association of Forensic Counselors
    ATTN NATIONALAFC.COM
    care of Network Solutions
    PO Box 459
    Drums, PA. US 18222

    Domain Name: NATIONALAFC.COM
    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    Deisler, Karla
    ATTN NATIONALAFC.COM
    care of Network Solutions
    PO Box 459
    Drums, PA 18222
    US
    570-708-8780
    Record expires on 10-Dec-2016.
    Record created on 11-Dec-1996.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS25.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    NS26.DOMAINCONTROL.COM






    Business entity search:


    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS (Assumed)
    Current Information
    Entity Legal Name:
    SUNRISE HOMES, INC.
    Entity Address:
    C/O Robert S. Bechert, 800 S. Calhoun St., FORT WAYNE, IN 46802
    General Entity Information:
    Control Number: 1990080119
    Status: Admin Dissolved
    Entity Type: Non-Profit Domestic Corporation
    Entity Creation Date: 7/30/1990
    Entity Date to Expire:
    Entity Inactive Date: 5/18/1998
    Other Names for this Entity:
    DateName (Type)
    7/30/1990 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS (Assumed) / Allen County )
    __________________
    Name Searched On:
    SUNRISE HOMES, INC (Assumed)
    Current Information
    Entity Legal Name:
    SUNRISE HOMES, INC.
    Entity Address:
    C/O Robert S. Bechert, 800 S. Calhoun St., FORT WAYNE, IN 46802
    General Entity Information:
    Control Number: 1990080119
    Status: Admin Dissolved
    Entity Type: Non-Profit Domestic Corporation
    Entity Creation Date: 7/30/1990
    Entity Date to Expire:
    Entity Inactive Date: 5/18/1998
    Other Names for this Entity:
    DateName (Type)
    7/30/1990NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS (Assumed) / Allen County )


    Registered Agent(name, address, city , state , zip):


    Robert S. Bechert
    800 S.Calhoun St.
    FORT WAYNE , IN 46802
    Principals(name, address, city, state, zip - when provided)


    Francis J. Deisler
    President
    2924 S. Calhoun St.
    FT. WAYNE , IN 46807


    Donald Lytle
    Secretary
    2924 S. Calhoun St.
    FT. WAYNE , IN 46807


    Transactions:

    Date FiledEffective DateType
    07/30/199007/30/1990Articles of Incorporation
    01/23/199201/23/1992Articles of Amendment
    08/03/199508/03/1995Certificate of Assumed Business Name
    08/04/199508/04/1995Miscellaneous
    05/18/199805/18/1998Administrative Dissolution


    Corporate Reports:
    Years Paid
    1991 1992 1993 1994 1995
    Years Due
    2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

    Additional Services Available:
    This Business Entity is not eligible to receive a Certificate of Existence/Authorization.
    _________________________________________________________________

    Name Searched On:
    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS (Legal)

    Current Information

    Entity Legal Name:
    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS, INC.

    Entity Address:
    800 South Calhoun Street, FORT WAYNE, IN 46802
    General Entity Information:
    Control Number: 1995120733
    Status: Admin Dissolved
    Entity Type: For-Profit Domestic Corporation
    Entity Creation Date: 12/4/1995
    Entity Date to Expire:
    Entity Inactive Date: 8/26/1999
    There are no other names on file for this Entity.
    Additional Services Available:
    This Business Entity is not eligible to receive a Certificate of Existence/Authorization.


    Name Searched On:
    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS ()
    Current Information
    Entity Legal Name:
    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORENSIC COUNSELORS, INC.
    Entity Address:
    800 South Calhoun Street, FORT WAYNE, IN 46802
    General Entity Information:
    Control Number: 1995120733
    Status: Admin Dissolved
    Entity Type: For-Profit Domestic Corporation
    Entity Creation Date: 12/4/1995
    Entity Date to Expire:
    Entity Inactive Date: 8/26/1999
    There are no other names on file for this Entity.


    Registered Agent(name, address, city , state , zip):
    Principals(name, address, city, state, zip - when provided)
    Robert S. Bechert
    Director
    800 South Calhoun Street
    FORT WAYNE , IN 46802
    Transactions:

    Date FiledEffective DateType
    12/04/199512/04/1995Articles of Incorporation
    11/20/199711/20/1997Statement of Resignation of Registered Agent
    08/26/199908/26/1999Administrative Dissolution


    Corporate Reports:
    Years Paid
    N/A
    Years Due
    2003/2004 2005/2006 2007/2008 2009/2010 2011/2012
    Additional Services Available:
    This Business Entity is not eligible to receive a Certificate of Existence/Authorization.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Pursuant to provisions set forth in Indiana code title 23, the entity has been administratively dissolved or the certificate of authority has been revoked
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  24. pooks Member

    Page 7

    Michael StAmand officer/director
    Maureen StAmand Finace director.

    Michael StAmand is the former OSA Invest Officer for the Boston Church of Scientology. His wife Maureen is the former Assistant Guaridan Fiance for the Boston Church of Scientology.

    Both were transferred to Narconon Chiloco/Arrowhead over 15 years ago.
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  25. JohnnyRUClear Member

    "Sunrise Homes"? Seems legit. (chortle)
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  26. BigBeard Member

    Sounds to me like Gary W. Smith & Co. have some 'splainin to do regarding the Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor claim.


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  27. patriot75 Member

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  28. BigBeard Member

    'Who Me' over on RFTTP found the NAFC website appears to direct folks to these guys, who are still current in the Indiana business listing:


    The addresses are slightly different, but some of the same names appear. Maybe trying to bury the links to Sunrise Homes??

    BigBeard
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  29. Anonymous Member

    Where are the "annual fees" they pay on these returns? Payments to affiliates?

    I. Actions taken by the Oklahoma State Department of Health from June 24, 2001 to July 23, 2001 were as follows. Certificate of Need Applications Approved:
    Narconon Arrowhead, Canadian, #01-008. Contact Person: Michael St.Amand, 580/448-3904. Relocation of existing 105 beds from Newkirk to Arrowhead Lodge, Canadian, Oklahoma. The project involves a lease and the addition of 155 chemical dependency beds for a total of 230 chemical dependency treatment beds by Narconon of Oklahoma, Inc, a not-for-profit corporation. Cost:$4,250,000.00 and an annual fee of $360,000.00 for 30 years. Approved: 07/02/01.
    http://www.ok.gov/health/documents/HRDS-AP-august01.pdf
  30. BigBeard Member

    Posted this over on Tipping Point and figured there'd be some interest over here also:

    Been doing some more digging in the Indiana Business Entity listings and there is some interesting activity going on with these places.

    One thing's for sure, those "Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor" certificates issued by the so called 'National Board of Addiction Examiners' aren't worth squat, since they have to be renewed annually and the NBAE that issued them was Admin Disolved in 1999.

    Also, the certificate issued by the latest incarnation of the 'National Association of Forensic Counselors', the 'Forensic Training Institute', is called a "Certified Forensic Addictions Specialist" certificate, not a CCDC. The funny thing is, the FTI web page goes on about how they are endorsed/certified by the defunct NAFC and links back to the still existing NAFC web page.

    Anyways, here's a quick and dirty time-line of this mess from the Indiana State Business Entity search engine:

    7/30/1990 - Incorporation of Sunrise Homes with an assumed name of:
    National Association of Forensic Counselors (Assumed Name - Non-Profit Entity)
    12/04/1995 - Incorporation of National Association of Forensic Counselors, Inc. (For Profit Entity)
    03/25/1996 - Incorporation of National Board of Addiction Examiners
    05/18/1998 - Administrative Dissolution of Sunrise Homes
    05/18/1998 - Administrative Dissolution of National Association of Forensic Counselors (Assumed Name - Non-Profit Entity)
    02/19/1999 - Administrative Dissolution of National Board of Addiction Examiners
    08/26/1999 - Administrative Dissolution of National Association of Forensic Counselors, Inc. (For Profit Entity)
    06/01/2009 - Incorporation of Forensic Training Institute - Still Active

    Key point - Note the 10 year gap between the NBAE/NAFC Admin Dissolution and the creation of the FTI. So how, exactly, are Gary W. Smith and crew asserting they were maintaining currency of those CCDC certifications they are so proud of??

    FYI: The Indiana State Business Entity search engine can be found at: https://secure.in.gov/sos/online_corps/name_search.aspx (Cookies have to be enabled for this site)
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  31. DeathHamster Member

    They gave a "grant" of $105,419 to Narconon International. I wonder how or if that shows up in Narconon Int's 990?
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  32. BigBeard Member

    That is sort of weird. Normally I think of the higher level organization giving a "grant" to organizations under it, not the other way around. Like when the Feds give a financial grant to a city for infrastruture repairs. I don't recall ever hearing of a city giving a "grant" to the Federal government.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    If they are supposed to be paying 10% of income weekly, based on their intakes/fees they made roughy $11M which would mean $1.1M to the mothership and should show up under liabilities, no? I'm thinking that shows up under part x, line 23. Are they hiding the fee to CoS under secured mortgage and 3rd parties? Am I just not seeing where it is on the return?
  34. Anonymous Member

    Where did you find this? please show!
  35. DeathHamster Member

    Schedule I, part 2 on the form 990.
  36. Anonymous Member

    which year?
  37. DeathHamster Member

    The form at the top of the page.
  38. Part IX - and then just below that mention.
  39. Anonymous Member

    so 2010... Hmmm
    I don't suppose we can get dox on the grant? How was this grant set up, what are the parameters? See there are rules and laws governing grants esp ones that you write off on your taxes... If anyone can get a hold of that dox (assuming there is any) that could be delicious dox! If narCONon has no dox on this "grant" ... well that would be interesting too.
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  40. Anonymous Member

    bumped for crunchy hard-data goodness.
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